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Welcome to the Saints That Serve podcast, where each week your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith, culture, and the unknown.

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Christ is Lord, and the kingdom is now.

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We are the Saints that serve. Hey everybody. Welcome to the Saints, that serve podcast. Yeah. Yeah. That's all I'm gonna get. Oooooo. All I'm gonna get is just a yeah after I gave that very enthusiastic, very professional episode 73 intro. Alright, go ahead, do it again. Welcome to the things that serve podcast. Yeah.

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I'm still only gonna get a yeah, just more into enthusiastic. Yeah.

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Perfect. That's all the the entire episode tonight is just gonna be me saying yeah. Yeah to everything.

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I'm gonna carry this whole conversation tonight.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Hey, ask me a question. Yeah.

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Yeah?

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Yeah. You're supposed to do yeah question mark.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah?

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There it goes. Hey, do you have any announcements? Yeah. Yeah, what are they?

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If you need prayer for anything. Yeah. You can uh reach out to us at Saintsit Serve at gmail.com or you can use the direct messaging link at the bottom of the episode description or social media. You can message us through social media. And also we love it when you guys comment on the episodes. We really do. We want to hear from you. We want we like feedback, even if it's corrective criticism. We will we do we do read them unless it's like an entire novel sent in by someone who's a Jehovah. Jehovah's Witness. Jehovah's Witness. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But we still appreciated the comment. We read it and took it into consideration.

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And then considered you wrong. Let me take it back. They weren't even Jehovah's Witness because they said that the Jehovah's Witness Church was bad, but they were pro Jehovah's Witness. Whoever the guy is that started it. I can't remember his name or not. Oh, uh L. Ron Hubbard. Is that no, is it Scientology? Okay. I was like, oh that doesn't sound right. Yeah, but anyways, yes, if you need prayer, reach out to us. That is at what? Where can they reach out to us at?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I already said it. Yeah, say it again now. Okay.

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Saints for those who aren't weren't paying attention, like SaintsThatserve at gmail.com or at the direct messaging link at the bottom of the description of this episode, or through our social media. We're on Instagram, Threads, Facebook, X, YouTube. Yeah.

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Yeah. All of that. Can we start a site? And this our site is just yeah. Questionmark.com. Yeah. Yeah.net. Yeah.net. And that's like the link to our store. Like, what site do we all go to?

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Yeah. Just to mess with people, somehow get a yeah.gov.gov.

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I wonder if you can get something that's like gov, but it's not actually government. It's like geological observation viewing.

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No. No? Or yeah. You know. You know. You know.

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So, anyways, uh, you done with those announcements? Yeah. I'm setting you up so so many times tonight in this episode, or today, depending on when you live in uh listening to this, but uh for us, we're recording this late into the night.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. After you did a lot of work today.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So uh put a roof on. Yeah, you did. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Incredible. Mm-hmm. So, Tyler, this is your transition into another freaking. Another freaking. Another freaking natural conversation. Yeah. That's gonna be the title of this episode, too. Another freaking natural conversation.

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Another freaking. And just so you guys know, this is happening more often because I'm in the middle of moving.

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Not only are you in the middle of moving, you're in the middle of moving to the other side of the country.

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Other side of the country to do full-time missions, and so we can't take a whole lot with us, so we're having to get rid of a lot, having to work to shut down my business, and there's just a lot going on right now. So prep time has been affected.

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I was gonna say too, is believe it or not, I don't know how you view us as creators, but a lot of times a lot of work really does go into the topic-filled episodes. Yeah. Like preps, notes, and just talking points and be ready for that topic. But after we did two natural conversations, I feel like it's just so much more fun just to sit down and chat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it comes easy too. So, and I think that it's entertaining.

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Except when 50% of the episode is just us going, yeah.

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Yeah. No, I'm gonna go in and edit edit out all the yeahs in this episode. So there's just blank silences. But I'm not gonna like trim it down to where it reduces the set of the time. I'm going to make it to where it just blank sounds. That's hilarious. So you but only for you. So you sound dumb. Because you're gonna come off of a yeah? Okay, okay.

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So it's gonna be Okay, okay.

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Alright, I'll take that, I guess.

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No, I'm not gonna do that to you.

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Thanks.

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Mm-hmm. So I've got something. Okay. Unless you have something to say. No, go ahead. It's not a game. It's like a quick little game. You just said it's not a game. It can be a game. Okay. I came up with it being a game just now. Alright. Alright. Uh I've got a movie trailer I'm gonna show you.

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Okay.

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And you have to tell me what movie you think this is before it shows the title.

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Okay.

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So for the uh for the listeners, you're just gonna probably hear John. Well, I can't play it because of copyrighted sounds. Uh-huh. But John will just have to say, yeah, I watched it and it was, I thought it was this. I guess I will do that. But it sounds like we should have done this before we started pressing your card. No, because it's actually on topic to some degree. And it'd be a good jumping off point to talk about things.

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Alright, well, everybody sit in the silence. Well, it's not gonna be silence. I'm gonna edit out the silence.

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It's gonna I'm just gonna keep putting yeah.

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Yeah. As the editor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Is that what I'm gonna put in there? Yeah. Yeah.

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Okay.

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And so you gotta guess what this is.

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Have you seen this already? No. It just looks like the back rooms. Yeah, it's the back rooms. It's the back rooms.

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Watch it. It looks cool. It's the back rooms. The trailer for the back rooms come out.

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If you guys don't remember a long time ago, we talked about the back rooms as a it is an internet kind of cryptid-esque deal. So something that's exclusively it was created on the internet. It's not real.

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No, like the conversation started like hey, I found this creepy picture. And what is the lore behind it? It was like a prompt somebody gave. Okay. And I believe that's how it started. I could be wrong. If you want to correct me, go back to the episode that we talked about the backrooms, and then you can uh correct us there.

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Two years ago, during our Halloween spooky season, is when we talked about the back rooms. Really? Dang. Yeah, our first spooky season. Each week we did a cryptid, but we did an internet cryptid. That's right, that's right. I remember that now. Yeah. Back in the day when we were doing a cryptid every single week.

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But uh with that being said, it was like a picture that was presented on like a Reddit form or something like that.

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Yeah.

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And sis said, Hey, you know, this room is eerily creepy. And then from there, they built upon the lore off of this picture. And then from there, somebody on the on YouTube started making YouTube videos about the backrooms. And so it's like a windy, just never-ending hallway of kind of sterile yellow walls and whatnot. And things kind of change in the every time you go through it, but slightly, and it's just kind of eerie. And somebody on YouTube were making YouTube videos about the lore of the backrooms, and they did so well on YouTube that they reached out to the guy and asked him to make the movie. So that movie is made by the same guy who made the backrooms famous through YouTube.

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Unreal. And there's some people that have added to it by like putting creatures inside of everything. Yeah.

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So the horror aspect of it, there's a like something's after you while in the backrooms. Yeah. But what's so interesting is the guy who made those YouTube videos was only like 16 or 17 when he did it. Wow. So he's like 21 or 22 directing a big blockbuster movie. But like in his videos, there was never any creatures. Yeah, there was creatures in his videos. Oh, there were. Yeah, but like I watched like one or two of them, and it's just like it kind of just randomly shows up. It's not quite scary, like in the sense of something's chasing you all the time. It's just like you round a corner and something's standing there. It's like, huh, because the whole time is like really just atmospheric, set the tension type thing. Yeah. And then finally something kind of happens and then the guy runs away. You know, in the one I watched. I gotcha. So maybe the lore got deeper, but I feel like that's what the movie's gonna be is they've got to make them they're gonna make a movie monster out of it, I'm sure.

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Yeah. I think when we talked about it, we kind of drew some lines to astral projection. Like getting getting stuck in a limbo state.

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Yeah, because the back rooms was like to get there, you just were walking around and somehow you slip through a like unnatural hole in the ground, like that's invisible, and you end up in the back room stuff. A portal.

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Yeah. You you find you accidentally stumble across a portal that's in a wall or in the floor or something, and it takes you to the backrooms. And yeah, that's a I mean, that's astral projection. Yeah. The the people have started calling it the upside down because of stranger things. Yeah. But it's that idea, it's a mirror dimension.

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So I I love seeing like internet movies becoming on the rise, right? We recently went and saw, I don't know if I talked about it, but we went and saw Iron Lung, which was a video game. That was rusty. It was very rusty. But it was a based off of a video game, the movie was. Okay. But it was like a short little indie game, uh, where you were in an ocean of blood, like in a submarine, yeah, like on a moon, right? And there's so much lore to it, and I'm not gonna get too deep in the lore, but you would like all you had in your tight little space submarine was coordinates. You couldn't see out of the submarine, but all you had was coordinates, and you had to like navigate and logically navigate through coordinates and you know, um, XY axis and looking at a map and kind of figuring out where you're at.

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Yeah.

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And then your only way to kind of see outside the submarine was uh you press you turned around and then pressed a button behind you on a wall that then took an X-ray of your current surroundings, and then it always, because it's an X-ray, the creatures and whatnot would all be real extra spooky looking because you know, see skeleton frames and eerie looking stuff. Sure. So it was a high tension game, and then a famous YouTuber whose name is Markiplier took and fund self-funded and wrote, directed, and acted in this movie of the game Iron Lung. Okay. And me and Ashley went and saw it, and it was a fantastic movie, and the whole thing took place in just a submarine room and creating the atmosphere around him being in the submarine in this ocean of blood. And it's part it's important that it's blood in the storyline. Wait, the ocean is blood?

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Yeah, because it's like a moon. So this is going on during the time of the deliverance of the Jews from Egypt.

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Yeah, sure. No, so the guy who made the game is uh to my understanding, is a Christian. Uh-huh. And so he uh actually based it off of the book of Revelations to some degree. Yeah. But it's like in so it's after the rapture. Yeah. And so, but it's an outer space, and they're r the world is slowly running out. Well, not the world, but the the human race is slowly dying out. Yeah. And they're trying to find resources, and they find a outer space moon that is like its entire ocean is blood, but there's resources in the ocean that they have they can choose to collect to uh to survive.

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Yeah.

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And so that's kind of the game, and then also the plot of the movie. And the guy's slowly going insane because he's in a tight space, and you know, he's his only form of communication is through a real really crummy little speaker that's in it. Yeah. He starts hearing voices through the speaker that's the people who sh isn't communicating with him and stuff like that. Gotcha. It's like cosmic horror in the sense of like something like Cthulhu type thing, is a co cosmic horror, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That there's something greater in the ocean that's in there with him. Yeah. That kind of thing. Gotcha. Very good movie. Very well done. And it's so cool to see like this small YouTube. He's not small on YouTube, but he's big on YouTube, but compared to like the movie industry. Sure. He he's small, but and be able to make it. And he was like the movie was like number one for weeks. Yeah.

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So did you know that the creator of Minecraft was Christian? Really? Old Notch. And that's why he put certain elements in the game. Like the nether.

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Hmm. So like uh based it on hell. Mm-hmm.

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And then uh I what the end is kind of well, I guess there's more things than the end came later, but the the idea of the because he did create another realm that you can make a portal to. But then they they patched it out of the game because it was kind of like an ethereal heaven-like state. And he because of his beliefs, he's like, Yeah, but mankind can't get to heaven himself. Like there's nothing he can do to get to heaven.

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Oh, and the game was promoting that you could do something to get to heaven.

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Yeah, because you just make the portal and you can get there.

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Yeah. But there's only one way to heaven. That's right. It's Jesus Christ. That's Jesus Christ. And not putting some blocks together in a video game. Not putting glowstones together and then activating it with water. So the opposite of the nether portal? Correct. That's actually pretty funny.

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Yeah.

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I wanted to talk about another game. Okay. Uh another movie coming out. It's called Station 8, I believe. Let me make sure I'm right on that. Station Ocho. No, it's uh Japanese. So Station was eight in Japanese? You tell me. I don't know. I never learned the numbers. Yeah, I never got that far in Duolingo.

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Oh.

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You go to Japan, you learn the language, and you can't even say eight. The exit eight.

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Exit eight. Exit eight. Not station eight. So it this is also based off of like a small indie game, right? Hachi. Hachi. Nice. Station. Hachi. Exit eight. Uh but it's like uh it's a uh Iggy Iggy EKI.

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Hachi.

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Ekey. Ecky. Egy Hachi. I should. I think I feel like I should know that. Anyways, so the uh it's a loop game where you keep going down the same like designed hallway where you go you go down a set of stairs into a train station, uh-huh, and you kind of keep doing the loop. And the entire like game mechanic is that if you notice something that's off from the norm, you're supposed to turn around and go back the way you went. Because if you keep progressing, then the creature will get you. Uh-huh. And so, or whatever the entity is. And I'm not promoting here like horror stuff or anything like that in the sense of you. No, I'm just more I want to get on the topic of like how cool it is that these internet and indie small games are getting such a big following behind it that they're getting big block m blockbuster movies made after them. Yeah, but it's I mean, even Minecraft the movie, you know what I mean? Well, that's so I did want to talk about that. Like hold on, let me talk about the XA real quick and finish on it. All right. So, you know, it's you keep going, and if you see something abnormal, you turn around, and that's the entire game, is just like being observant of what's going on, like the small little oddities, and they've got a whole movie based off of that coming out. It's Japanese made. Okay. It looks really good as well.

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So, how much longer before you think they make a Fortnite movie? How long was Minecraft around? Mario and Minecraft did very well. Yeah. Both of them did. And they're both getting sequels.

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Mm-hmm. But Mario wasn't indie though. No, but and Minecraft, when the movie came out, wasn't indie at that point, but it started as a very small movie, a game.

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Yeah, but the like they've made Mario TV shows and movies in the past before, but this one actually is good. Actually is good and actually did well. I think that uh is it time? So that's what I'm saying, is like, is now that like is that's what's in.

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How long did it take for Mario to get a movie? How long did it take for Minecraft to get a movie? Minecraft's been out for 15 years.

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Mario for just turned 40. I'm just saying it as far as movies go, it seems like the era of superhero has ended. And the video game And it seems like video game adaptations is what's doing.

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What's crazy is good video game adaptations. We've always had video game adaptations, yeah, but good video game adaptations.

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Well, that's what I'm saying is people are actually putting the effort like the effort that was going towards superhero blockbuster films has gone. Yeah. It's disappeared. And now it's going into or it disappeared long enough to where the hype behind going and seeing superhero films is gone.

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Because video game movies always just had a really low budget. There was no like there was like a expectation that it was going to do poorly, and they were trying to put low budget into it so they could turn around and make some money off it, make a profit from it, instead of actually trying to do really good for it. Yeah. And I think the key thing there is a is animation.

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Well, and there's a niche. Like, yes, some animation, but it has to be all ages. Yeah. It has to be a family film. It has to be a family film. And I mean, Fortnite's not necessarily, but it is all ages.

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I would think I would think if they made a movie off of it, it would have to go the route of Ready Player One in the sense of like they're gonna have to get all these properties they have. They're gonna have to put so much money into it just for the IPs for it to work. Well, but not if they go with early Sure, but is that really gonna hit the same if If it's not all the goofiness of the Fortnite dances and all the characters running around in the background, like remember the final fight in Ready Player in Ready Player One, and it was the coolest thing to see all the Easter eggs and all the small little things you you see in the background running around. Yeah. And you can watch that scene over and over and see something new. Yeah. That would that would be the Fortnite. That would that would be the only way the Fort Fortnite movie would actually do really well is if they do all the callbacks, but follow some sort of lore to Fortnite. Because there's some deep lore to Fortnite. Yeah, there is. I'm really upset. I'm really upset. Okay. I might have to turn back on Fortnite. Why? They're adding Kingdom Hearts skins. It's a rumor right now, but if it happens, I might turn it on to buy it and then I don't know. I I don't know. I I should I I don't know.

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You're that much of a Kingdom Hearts skin. I would have to get the Fortnite skins. You'd have to get the Fortnite skins, even though you don't play Fortnite. No, and I probably wouldn't either. Even after getting the Fins.

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You'd play it for like two weeks after getting the skins and then I know that we stopped playing it. We both kind of made a commit because of the sacrificing your soul to the devil nonsense they had into it.

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Yeah, the imagery.

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The imagery. Like it wasn't actually that, but it was it was that, you know? Yeah. But it was a right after that we gave up on it that they started adding so much fun-looking stuff to Fortnite. Like they added guitar hero and the Lego stuff and and the racing games. And like Yeah. It's so irritating. Why is it that you make a decision that goes against my beliefs? And then start battery make the game really good. Yeah. Better than just the loop, the tiring, you know, shooter loop.

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Yeah.

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Well, but they were they even had that when like they had the developer market area where like you could log in and play developed games by individuals. And some of them were like a zombie mob wave games. They had, and they had some racing games, and they had like King of the Hill from Halo.

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But all of the stuff was like user-made, and so the quality varied. That's true. But we're talking about like built by the developers for the intention of being consumed by everybody all the time.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But I will say, because you do see that you see worldly like demonic things pop up in in different properties and everything going on in our society right now where it's like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say things because I don't want to use certain words that would invite something in. No, no, I just I'm trying to be sensitive to any kids listening. Oh, gotcha. But you just see that hey, this world is run by like where the light of Christ is not, it is very dark. Yeah. And those things bleed into other atmospheres that do not submit to Christ. And so as Christians, it's it's our job to like not just embrace those and be like, oh, that's just the world, is to call them out. Because when you call them out, then you're shining the light of Christ into those areas, you know? Yeah. So yeah, I think about that like not just Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But not just boycotting a game because it has a demonic undertones in it, but like actually letting people know, like, hey, you know, they do this in the game, and it's just like you could be inviting things into your life doing that, so maybe not a great idea. Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't buy the for the Kingdom Hearts skins. But I'm just saying No, I get what you're saying, because I've been thinking about uh on and off, I've been thinking about everything going on with the files that were released and how every very the the man with the island, yeah, and how everybody's like freaking out about it. It's like we all knew all this stuff, we've all known this for decades. And no one, it's just nothing's been done about it, and now it's like there's there's documented evidence of it, so everyone's treating it like uh, oh my gosh, how did this happen? You know, it's like, well, but we've all kind of known about this. So now that we've got the documentation, are we gonna do something about it?

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I was about to say just that is like a lot of what I'm seeing is like they're saying, Oh, this person did the things, or this person did the things, is like, all right, but what are we gonna do about it? The world knows about it now, yeah. But but no, no lawful action feels like is being taken after evidence has been shown that this person should get well.

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A prince from England has been tried and he's been stripped of his that that that's the thing about that.

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That's strictly just in London. How many arrests and actions being taken publicly have we seen in the US? I would say none. Because there's so much argument, right? About oh, this person is in it or this person's in it. Oh well, they're in that because you know that they never went to the island. You know, there's excuses being made for these people now.

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Yeah. I know that Bill Clinton was subpoenaed and he failed to appear before the before Congress.

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So I guess they're trying to take action there, but I love how you wouldn't say the guy's name for the island, but you called out Bill Clinton.

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Well, um, yeah. But uh yeah, it's just been I've been thinking about all that. It's like I I'm not impressed by anything until actual action's been taken. Sure. You know, God in the old testament, he brings his wrath and judgment upon nations who do the exact same thing that we're exposing with these documents.

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And I'll be honest, I'm not usually one to say that we need to permanently take care of somebody, if you know what I'm saying. Unalive them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I get what you're saying.

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Death penalty. Yeah. For things typically, but if they were there doing the things they claim they were doing, it heavily warrants a death penalty penalty, in my opinion. Yeah. When it comes like I feel like sometimes it's very unchristian of me to say so, but it's like when you do things to the innocent, yeah, the young and innocent, yeah, there's no excuse, and I think you should suffer the worst. I know that's awful for me to say, but I don't think that's a redemption, like a redeemable action. Like something that, like, yes, Christ forgives us, yeah, but I'm not gonna forgive you of that.

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Well, but if you're not seeking the repentance and you are causing harm, then justice is required. Yeah. We do serve a God who is just, he's a just God, and he uses different and you know, maybe that's what he's doing in this season. Maybe he's using all these things because uh he's about to bring his judgment and his and his justice on this wicked operation that's been going on forever. So that could be what's on the forefront. But yeah, as a I mean, as a believer, I think that, yes, I think salvation is for all mankind. You cannot earn it. It is it is given to you through grace, and it's by faith that we receive it. But if you're rejecting that and you're doing evil harm to yeah, the innocent, then God's justice is for you to be taken out so that you don't keep removed so that you cannot cause any more harm to the innocent. Because God makes it clear that He has an extra bit of wrath for those who do harm to the innocent.

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Yeah.

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The young and the elderly. Cause he says, Jesus says, you know, for those who uh hurt kids, I'm paraphrasing it, but for those who hurt kids, that's better that a millstone be tied around their neck and they sink in the ocean than for on the day of judgment. So yeah.

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And there's your mean section of the podcast. Yeah. We're being mean. Yeah. No, uh that that, you know, kids and then the elderly. I just like I have no sympathy for somebody who tries to take advantage of those people, though.

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Seriously. I thought you were about to say you have no sympathy for the kids and the elderly. No, like wow.

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Those who take advantage of the vulnerable. Yeah. Uh I see it. I see these videos all the time where it's like these like uh phone scammers trying to, you know, scam people like elderly out of their money.

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I love those videos.

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I love watching the scammers. The scamming the scammers, right? I love watching those. I could watch those all day and night because it just absolutely just enrages me to think that somebody takes advantage of my grandmother type thing. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I um if you can w if you want to find that, I'm not gonna promote it here, but I have a prank phone call channel that is no longer operational. Yeah. So I used to do a lot of prank phone calls, but uh my my parents used to get a lot of uh telemarker calls and my grandmother used to get a lot of telemarket calls, so I would just answer them for fun and mess with them.

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Yeah.

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Because it was always, you know, a scam somehow or another. Yeah. Like a legal scam in the sense of like they they can legally call you. Yes. And then just over time, those type of calls have progressed into the scammers actually legitimately illegally trying to scam you. Yeah. And we got one one time where it was this guy, and I I answered with my old woman voice that I can do. Uh-huh. Me Malters. Let me hear it. I'm not gonna do it. I was like, hello, honey. Hey, meme altators is healed. Anyway, I can't do the voice well like I used to. Out of practice. Just out of practice. I gotta work on it. Yeah. But I answered with the old woman voice, and immediately it was a guy on the other line that said, Hey grandma.

unknown: 33:20

Dang.

SPEAKER_02: 33:20

I'm like, hey, hey. And they're like, Hey, you know my my buddy uh Jim? Yeah, he's uh he's in uh he's getting out of he's in jail and he needs money. Can you send me money? And I was so mad that somebody was calling my grandmother to try to scam her out of money. Yeah, I started seeing red, and I knew that if I didn't hang up that phone, I was gonna start yelling and screaming at this guy on the phone. Yeah, yeah. So I hung it up and I was so angry, and I'm so mad now because my grand my grandmother said, because she is not like this kind of person who's like would fall for that kind of stuff. Yeah, she would just hang up on him. But she said, What you should have said was, why are you asking me for money when you still owe me the$300?

SPEAKER_03: 34:11

I was like, dang, that's a good, that's a good one to come back with. Do you want to hear about my most recent scammer uh interaction?

SPEAKER_02: 34:18

Yeah, let me tell you mine real quick though. Okay. It's not a scammer interaction, but for some reason I keep getting a phone call from the same number every single day. Yeah. And it's some sort of scam, but when I answer it, it's silence and then they hang up every single time. Are you blocking the number?

SPEAKER_01: 34:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 34:39

So they're still calling back from like a different number. Different number with the same similar area code and same similar numbers. Like it's obviously the next one in their line.

SPEAKER_03: 34:48

It's an auto call and they're verifying that it's an actual phone number. Yeah, but every single but every single day though. Your number is posted somewhere, and so different companies. I get I get three to four of those phone calls a day, and sometimes it's an actual business trying to sell me something or buy my house from me. And sometimes it's just the marketing guys who are selling valid phone numbers.

SPEAKER_01: 35:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 35:18

So selling my data, which is my phone number. Correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 35:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 35:22

So let's hear your scam story.

SPEAKER_03: 35:25

All right. So I posted the stereo system on Facebook marketplace. Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. And someone commented on it, did not direct message me. And this is where the first red flag is. But I just overlooked it. Because you were trying to make the sale. I was trying to make the sale. They're like, hey, wanna buy this? If it's still available, text me because for some reason the Facebook Messenger is not working. And they put their phone number. And I was just like, okay, kind of weird. So I text them. I'm like, hey, this guy from Facebook selling the stereo. When can you come get it? And they told me at the time, like, hey, I can come and get it at this time. Um I can go ahead and pay now if you've got Zell or Venmo just to lock it in. And I was like, yeah, that's fine. And so I'm like, you can you can Zell me to this phone number, the one that I'm texting from. And they make the comment, okay, I've I'll be paying. Uh I was like, just send like a one dollar whatever as a verification that I got it, and then I'll show I'll like trying to be like, hey, just professional, but yeah, yeah. And they're like, well, I've got a business account, so it won't let me send one dollar increments. And I was like, All right, if you want flag, because that's not true. Yeah. I've got a business account that I send Zell out of. I use Zell to send money out of. And you can send a dollar. Yeah. Because it's your bank account. Zell's just the medium that's transferring between banks.

SPEAKER_02: 37:08

To allow you to send money without risking direct transfers and connections to your bank account. Correct. It's just a middleman app.

SPEAKER_03: 37:16

Yeah. And so, but I was like, that's whatever. Um, they're like, we'll just send the full amount, no problem. And then they text me a couple minutes later to make it look like they've been trying or whatever. They're like, hey, it won't let me send the money through. It says that I need to verify by adding your email. I was like, no, I'm not comfortable with giving you my email. And that's not true. I've got a business account. I tell them this. Like, I've got a business account as well. That email is it never asks SaintsThatserve at gmail.com. Yeah. But it's like, it never asks you for that. Yeah. And then they were like, I was like, you can send it to me through Venmo if you want. And then I send them my Venmo QR. Yeah, your your at tag or whatever it is. Yeah. And they're like, well, it's just gonna ask for email for that as well. I was like, fine. Then we'll just do cash when you get here. Right. And they're like, I don't have cash. I was like, okay, then we can work out the Zelle thing when you get here. In person, we'll figure it out. And hours go by, crickets, nothing. Mm-hmm. Until it's like after the time they said they would be there. And I message them, I'm like, all right, so I guess you're a scammer because you're trying to get my email and I'm not giving it to you. And they didn't respond. But oh, you said that to them? I yeah, I messaged them. I was like, this is obviously you're trying to get my information and you're doing it in a weird way. But I mean, apparently effective. I think people would give in to that.

SPEAKER_02: 38:50

Sure, because it the thing is, is a lot of times scammers, it's a lot of kind of almost automation stuff, like a wide net casting type things. Yeah. And so, like, if you don't fall for it, they just move on, you know, like the next person. But they cast this wide net to see, you know, it's called fishing because you're casting a net. And so it sounds to me like this actually might be somebody who is an attacking individuals and it not be an automated thing.

SPEAKER_03: 39:21

Yeah. So it was interesting, but uh yeah, it was my most recent scammer interaction. Uh-huh. I like the videos where it's like the guy who's scamming the scammers is taking the serial killer approach where he's doing that bit, and then at one point he decides to call him out and he's like, you so and so wearing the red shirt. Yeah, because somehow you sitting next to so and so who's wearing a brown vest.

SPEAKER_02: 39:51

Somehow another because they're like it's a tapped into the security system. To their yeah, to their scammer, like, because what it is is is like they're in like a you know, you know, outside the US type place, right? Like a Indian or whatever, like, but they rent out like space, so like they're in a building in an office space, but they'll rent it out. And their operations, to my understanding, are easily moved. Yeah. They can easily pack up their stuff because it's laptops, it's monitors, it's some equipment, and they can easily pack up and move on to the next location. Yeah. But because of that, they're also easily be able to be hacked and tapped into if you know what you're doing. Yeah. Because they're not really professionals. Sure. It's just really a group of people trying to scam. Yeah. So those videos are great to watch. Enjoyable. Have you uh seen the on the back going back to Facebook? Have you seen those like uh what you were going through, but it's like the dude making songs out of the Facebook seller conversations?

SPEAKER_03: 40:54

Oh yeah, I've seen that.

SPEAKER_01: 40:56

They're so funny.

SPEAKER_03: 40:57

Yeah, I like the one where it's like the person messaged them, messages him, and then he responds. And and then they're like, Stop messaging us for a sleep. Right? And he's like, You messaged me. I'm calling the police. Yeah, I'm calling the police.

SPEAKER_02: 41:16

He's like, Okay, do not harass me. I am I am lonely woman, or like it's like something weird, like Tom. I am a meaning more of like, I'm a vulnerable alone woman, and I feel unsafe. I think is something along the lines she said it, but it's very broken English. Yeah. It's like that stuff's so funny. Like it's crazy. Where is this still still available? Yes, it is. Quit harassing me.

SPEAKER_03: 41:42

Yeah, it's like what is going on? Oh man, the world we live in.

SPEAKER_02: 41:50

The issue of it is the uh, and I might say this wrong, the anonymity. Anonymity behind me. Anonym. The uh the privacy and you know not being able to see somebody face to face creates boldness almost on the internet. In the comment section, let me know how a match is supposed to say that word. Anonymy. Anonym. Yeah. Yeah. Where, you know, it's you know, the boldness that comes with dehuman humanizing somebody because you don't see them face to face in a conversation.

SPEAKER_03: 42:32

Yeah, it's like, hey, I don't know how big you are. So I'm gonna act like I'm bigger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like peacocking.

SPEAKER_02: 42:41

Yeah. Yeah. Everybody on Facebook's just a big old peacock.

SPEAKER_03: 42:49

I wouldn't say it that way. I would say that they're peacocking.

SPEAKER_02: 42:53

But why did you say it that way?

SPEAKER_03: 42:55

Peacocking? Yeah. That's what it is, right? Peacocking?

SPEAKER_02: 43:00

It's yeah, it's where they puff themselves.

SPEAKER_03: 43:02

Yeah, you puff yourself up to make you yeah, yeah. Peacocking.

SPEAKER_01: 43:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 43:06

I mean that's the thing. We're catfishing. Catfishing. Well, that's yeah. That's all they're doing on the internet. Well, no. So peacocking is to scare somebody away, and catfishing is to draw them in. Yep. Wow. You're doing one or the other. What if you try to do both at the same time?

SPEAKER_01: 43:22

I'm real big and bad, but I want you to come talk to me. No, I'm real big and bad. Do you like real big and bad?

SPEAKER_03: 43:30

I'm a big bad boy. I'm hard to get along with because I'm so rough around the edges. Do you like that though?

SPEAKER_01: 43:42

Is that what you know, like you think you can get along with somebody like that? Do you think you like a big bad boy like me? I'm a I'm just a little guy.

SPEAKER_03: 43:54

People people liking me to to rough cut timber. I'm just all I'm all rough around. I would say that Ron could you be could you be my sandpaper? You think you can smooth me out? I want you to smooth me out.

SPEAKER_02: 44:08

My spirit animal is Ron Swanson. Okay. Oh, okay. I don't have anything else. I was trying to think. My spirit animal is Ron Swanson. Can you be my bacon? There you go. There it is. I'm like, who calms Ron Swanson down? I can't remember her name. It's been forever since I've seen that show.

SPEAKER_01: 44:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 44:32

But it's like I see that all the time on Facebook. It's like, my spirit animal is Ron Swanson. So you dodge work all the time and hate the government? No, I like to eat a lot of meat and have heart problems. Yeah. What?

SPEAKER_03: 44:50

I like playing cholesterol roulette. Heart attack.

SPEAKER_02: 44:57

That was a roulette sound.

SPEAKER_03: 45:01

Are you trying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah, I think that would be funny. What? A peacocking catfisher? That'd be an interesting approach. Maybe we should test the waters with that one.

SPEAKER_02: 45:19

Yeah. Go on a megal. Act big and bad, but try to attract somebody.

SPEAKER_03: 45:24

Create a profile and try to try to use just aggressive comments to catfish somebody.

SPEAKER_02: 45:34

That's right. Just like I'm big and bad and drive a truck and I and I hate women. Will you be my woman?

SPEAKER_01: 45:44

But only on the internet in person, I'm really nice guy. I'm really tiny, I'm just a little nice guy.

SPEAKER_02: 45:51

I'm not that too big and bad. Put that, can we? I I want to start making more like funny internet, like like actual YouTube videos of like us doing funny things. Yeah. Do you think we could get the permission from both our wives to make a fake dating profile and just make it as ridiculous as possible for the sole purpose to see if we get any likes on it? Do you think we could get permission to do that?

SPEAKER_03: 46:20

I don't know if I want to.

SPEAKER_02: 46:21

As two married men, yeah. I don't want to invest the time in that. Well, also, like my point of view of it is like I don't want to open up and create a dating profile. But the idea of it of just for the sake of content would be really funny. Yeah. Just to see if you could get not a date, but just see if you could get a like on it of like being just the worst possible person and see if you attract anybody to it.

SPEAKER_03: 46:49

But maybe the most likable.

SPEAKER_02: 46:51

I'm a big, bad, mean man in one sentence, and at the very bottom, I'm a really nice guy in pussy.

SPEAKER_03: 46:59

But only when you don't know me.

SPEAKER_01: 47:01

Yeah, if you get to know me. If you get to know me, I'm the greatest. I'm the goat. Oh man.

SPEAKER_02: 47:12

So yeah. That's been an episode, right?

SPEAKER_03: 47:15

Yeah. You guys let us know. What are your thoughts on the peacock and catfisher? That's something we should pursue.

SPEAKER_02: 47:22

Or how do you feel about all of these indie games becoming blockbuster movies? Do you even know anything about these indie games? And the key big question is are you a synthetic or an all-natural rubber guy?

SPEAKER_03: 47:41

Yeah. You know what? Let's bring it back around on that.

SPEAKER_02: 47:45

All right. Well, Christ is Lord.

SPEAKER_03: 47:48

Well, hold on.

SPEAKER_02: 47:48

Oh. I was going to say thank you for joining us on this episode 73 of the Saints That Serve podcast. That's the Saints That Serve podcast. Where each week we deep dive into a natural conversation.

SPEAKER_03: 48:06

Yeah. So Christ is Lord. And the kingdom is now. We are the Saints That Serve.

SPEAKER_02: 48:34

Maybe we just changed the podcast name to Natural Conversations. Natural Conversations. Dash. I think this is our production.

SPEAKER_00: 48:42

Yeah.