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Episode 69 - Missions Ministry Month 2026 Part 3
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What if youth ministry works best when it stays simple?
In this episode of Saints That Serve, we share a real behind-the-scenes story of ministry built not on hype, but on Jesus, Scripture, and consistency. From Baptist roots to a non-denominational youth room, we talk about culture shock, raised hands in worship, and the decision to keep the Bible at the center through Scripture-focused small groups, a full read-through of the Gospel of John, and honest, expository teaching.
Along the way, we revisit the moments students remember—Nerf nights, lock-ins, summer camp devotionals, answered prayers, and relationships built beyond Wednesday nights. Some students leaned in, others walked away, and ministry stayed messy.
If you serve students, care about discipleship, or want honest conversations at the crossroads of faith and culture, this episode is for you.
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Welcome to the Saints That Serve Podcast, where each week your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith, culture, and the unknown. Christ is Lord, and the kingdom is now. We are the Saints that serve.
SPEAKER_03:That's the Saints That Serve Podcast with your hosts. I'm Johnny.
SPEAKER_06:And I'm Jarrus. Aw. Yeah. Hey, we all. Before we get too far, we just want to apologize. Don't apologize.
SPEAKER_03:It's too late to apologize. It's too late to apologize. Anyways, uh, we didn't have an episode last week. Sorry about that. There was some personal things that went on in our personal life. So, my personal life. So we were like, hey, we're not gonna have enough time to record. So we'll just have to skip.
SPEAKER_06:And so we skipped a week and now we're back. Here we are. We skipped a week at the beginning of Mission Ministry Month. Did two episodes, skipped another one. Here's our third episode of Missions Ministry Month in February. In February. So we got this one and hopefully one more. And if we don't, then this is the last one.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:All the same, you guys, we love you. We love you guys. Thanks for listening. Thanks for being devoted. This is episode 69 of the Saints that serve podcast. Yeah. Mission Ministry Month Part Three. Praise the Lord.
SPEAKER_03:Praise the Lord. Uh, every Friday we pray for our Hey, hold on one second.
SPEAKER_06:Oh hey, John, you got any announcements?
SPEAKER_03:Hey, yeah. Every Friday we pray for our listeners. That's right. If you need prayer for anything, feel free to reach out to us. You can reach out through social media messaging. You can reach out through a direct messaging link at the bottom of the notes for this episode and every episode. Every single episode. Except on YouTube. Except on YouTube. And then he's broken. YouTube's broken. Yeah. YouTube. Uh you can also email us at SaintsThatServe at gmail.com. SaintsThatserve at gmail.com. I think at gmail.
SPEAKER_06:Give me that email address, but in your best NPR radio voice.
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SPEAKER_06:Now do it as a shock jock. Yo.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not a good shock jock.
SPEAKER_06:You've done it before, like the wacky radio talk show host.
SPEAKER_04:If you need bread or anything, make sure you reach out to us.
SPEAKER_06:Now do it like you're a car salesman.
SPEAKER_03:Oh man. Yeah. So if you need prayer, reach out. Reach out. And then outside of that, we're just extending slash wrapping up slash extending.
SPEAKER_02:Mmm.
SPEAKER_03:Mission Ministry Month.
SPEAKER_06:The plan is to have a fourth episode, and if there isn't one, next week will be just us again. Yeah, whatever happens, happens. We might have a natural conversation next week.
unknown:Ooh.
SPEAKER_03:Or the week after. You guys let us know because when we did that last one, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Yeah, just sitting down and chatting. I did not realize how long we could talk about rubber, but we talked about rubber a lot in that episode.
SPEAKER_06:Maybe more than anyone wanted to. I think I've talked about rubber more in that one episode than I have my entire life. Yeah, it is impressive.
SPEAKER_03:And that just goes to show you how much information's out there, you know? About rubber. And yeah, about rubber and ever and everything.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. And also, uh, be on the lookout because we got to record it, are results of last year's movie draft.
SPEAKER_03:That we were supposed to tell you guys about in October, but we didn't. Things happen.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. You know what? So I got the idea for that from a podcast I listened to. They kind of did that. So I spoiler or you know, reveal or whatever. Copy and paste. Copy and paste. Uh I like the idea, so we did it. That podcast also has not done their follow-up. Their follow-up episode yet. Well good, as long as we're um hey, we just gotta get ahead of it. So um I'm thinking we should do like a that was a bonus episode, but I think we should like as a result. Do a full one. Do a full episode, but talk about the upcoming movies of of 2026 as well. Have quick results and then half second half talk about the upcoming movies. Because there's a couple of big boys coming out this year. Yeah, there is. But we're not gonna talk about it here. We're gonna talk about it on that episode. Yeah, because we're gonna talk about yeah, what are we talking about today? Student ministry. That's right. So the guest this week would be technically me. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So ahead and roll that 20-sided dive from here.
SPEAKER_06:Oh my gosh. And it is a Nat 10.
SPEAKER_03:Nat 10. All right. In your mo Nat 10 Cole. In your most goofy, like the character goofy voice. Tell us the episode number again.
SPEAKER_07:Gorge. It's episode 69.
SPEAKER_03:Never never have I heard Goofy sound so old. Goofy 69 years old.
SPEAKER_05:It sounds like an old man trying to buy a mattress on the phone. Um, trying to get a mattress. You how you got some for 69 dollars?
SPEAKER_03:Sir, this is a gasoline station.
SPEAKER_05:Does the gas cost 69 cents a gallon?
SPEAKER_03:Oh man. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, we're talking about student ministry. So tell us your background, Jaris.
SPEAKER_06:My background. Uh so right now I'm looking at like a room, a storage room. And then right now for your background, I'm looking at like a cryptid corner-esque screen of sorts.
SPEAKER_03:It's a shower curtain.
SPEAKER_06:No, um, I wanted to say not necessarily a background, but like I worked in specifically student ministry at one church.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Uh I think you've worked in it in way more than me. Yeah, a little bit, yeah. Yeah. I just I guess back background on or backstory on that. I want to say, I guess, grew up in a Baptist church. Yeah. Which you did help out with the children's ministry there. Okay. A lot of yeah, that's true, but I guess I never really saw that as children's ministry for VBS because it was always a once-a-year thing. And I would act in that, you know, like there were skits and you know, sure, and or whatever. And I did that for a good 10 years straight.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:But you're right, it is ministry, but I never looked at it that way because it wasn't a consistent ministry. It was always a one year like once-a-year ordeal for a week.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:But um, man, 10 years starting out doing like puppets and stuff, and then moving up to acting on stage, and then even at one point, me fully directing a VBS. Yeah. That wasn't that too long ago either. That was about four years ago. Yeah, about four years ago. Five years ago. Okay. Because Ashley was helping me out with that.
unknown:Nice.
SPEAKER_06:No, I hadn't even met Ashley yet.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, not nice.
SPEAKER_06:But it was before COVID.
SPEAKER_03:Nice.
SPEAKER_06:2020.
SPEAKER_03:I want to say 2020. Before COVID in 2020? Because COVID started rolling out in January and then all the lockdown stuff happened in March. 2019. All right, there we go.
SPEAKER_06:That would be so seven years ago. I'm old and I forget things now. But yeah, I did that one.
SPEAKER_05:Um 69 years old on the episode 69 of the podcast. Yuck.
SPEAKER_06:But I wanted to say, you know, like did a lot of that stuff at a Baptist church. And I want to kind of use that as my point, jumping off point, getting into this, where I was always in one specific environment for religion, I guess. Is that is that a good way of putting it, you think?
SPEAKER_03:I guess so.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, uh very specific traditions and specific that kind of stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah. And um you approached me when you started as the youth leader at do you want to say the church name or uh no, let's not say the church name because I there might be shenanigans and things come up. We're not gonna try to talk too bad about things, but yeah. But uh you you started as a youth ministry, a minister, youth leader at this church, and approached me to help. And my initial reaction that was absolutely not. I don't know if I ever told you that. Absolutely. In my mind, like, no, I don't want to do this. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to do this at all.
SPEAKER_03:No, you were like, I'm gonna have to pray about it.
SPEAKER_06:And I was like, great, that's awesome. You were like, Great, that's awesome. And I said, I gotta pray, I'm gonna pray on this. And in your mind, you're like, great, awesome. And in my mind, I'm like, kind of pushing you off. Yeah, like just being blunt and honest about it. And so I did, I did pray about it, you know, because it was something that was like, this would be good to do, but I don't think this really shows on the show, but I am a little bit more introverted. I can talk to people who I know, yeah, but when it comes to addressing and talking to people about things, yeah, like I d uh that I don't know, I struggle with.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:So in my mind, I'm thinking to sit there and be talking to these kids about Jesus when I've always been a, for the most part, at church, a behind-the-scenes cop guy running sound, being support on a lot of things. Yeah, it was a crazy thought to me to be part of a youth ministry. Sure. Absolutely crazy thought. But I did pray on it. Yeah. And I think it was after one of the acronym shows. I I could say CFT, right? Yeah. Okay. So after one of the CFT shows, we would always go to IHOP afterwards.
SPEAKER_03:So for those who do not know, it's a musical theater troupe that was in our area that a lot of my family was a part of at one point or another. And so Jarrus inevitably ended up helping out.
SPEAKER_06:Well, for this one, I I ended up helping out with one show deeply, but I always went to the shows, always enjoyed going to the shows. Yeah. And then hanging out with everybody afterwards because I guess people just thought I was famous to some degree because of Regal shenanigans or whatever, but everybody knew who I was. The very niche. The very niche YouTube channel. Yeah, yeah. And so we were, it was after one of the shows. It was always the last show, right? So it was the last show that everybody went to IHOP and we were sitting there. And I don't remember if you were there with me or if it was Sean who was sitting there with me. But somebody came up to me randomly, one of the one of the students or somebody, I'm not even sure who this person was. Yeah. And they come up to me and they said, God laid it on my heart to come over and pray for you.
unknown:Wow.
SPEAKER_06:And I'm like, I don't, who are you? You know what I mean? Like, not in my mind thinking, who are you? This is this is crazy. No, no, sorry, let me rephrase that. This isn't crazy that you want to pray for me. It's crazy again, being antisocial to a degree. I don't know you, but sure, go ahead. Sure.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And then she proceeded to pray about stepping out of your comfort zone and going and doing work for God that you never thought you would be doing. Wow. And I about broke down and cried on the spot. Yeah, yeah. I'm not a crier. Yeah. I'm not the kind of person to show emotion. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm like, this is insane. Sure. And so I'm like, I gotta tell John yes. So I did.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And what's so funny is you were in Hawaii at the time. Yeah. So all the things like you were coming back to start in the youth ministry. But you know, I think you had already started and done a few Yeah, satellite satellite uh lessons. And I think you still before I started, I think you still had it was still a month before you were coming back. Yeah. I believe. But, you know, you and you and your wife weren't married yet at the time, right? Correct. Right. So we were exclusive. Y'all were exclusive. Y'all were engaged, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, we were. Y'all were engaged. But saying that to say this is like she was there running things in person while you were there doing things remotely. Yes, correct. So I said yes, and I showed up for the youth minute uh for the youth group on Wednesday night. And it was so uncomfortable for me. Because so so many things and traditions that are in a Baptist church are completely different from going to a non-denominational youth group. Yeah. You know what I mean? And being up there and singing and and standing the whole time doing the the songs. And the only thing that felt normal to me was the lesson. Yeah. Because, you know, just lessons, you know, teachings. And I got over it really quick.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:But it was so awkward. I remember standing there and everybody had their hands up, you know, praising. And I've like, I've never seen that before. No one put their hands up the whole time in praise closing and just being in the moment with God. Yeah. And it was so weird for me at the time. Sure. And so, yeah, many, many years. Three, three years, four years? Three. Three years. Three awesome years of youth group. Yeah, we ran that youth group for three years. And, you know, it was great. There's so many moments of God working that we saw. Yeah. It was it was incredible.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And we kind of did like we tried to do everything as much as possible that youth groups would do. Because our youth group was smaller, you know. Yeah. Typically anywhere from five to ten kids. Oh, no, no. We started with five to ten. When we left, it got up to about it was like close to 30 kids. That's right. Because we ended up merging with two other churches for a little bit. Yeah, and then the kids just stayed. Yeah. Ended up staying. So yeah, it ended up being, yeah, we ended up, I mean, it wasn't a crazy growth. Um, and that's kind of why I don't want to say the church's name. Yeah. Because it kind of had a reputation of people come and go a lot.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Didn't somebody at that church, and again, I'm not trying to gossip, but didn't like one of the first conversations they said to you when you started was just so you know, youth leaders only last about a year.
SPEAKER_03:No, that was something that I brought up. I brought up that it's kind of sad, but statistically, a youth pastor will be at a church for a year to 18 months. Now you beat that. I beat we beat that. Yeah. Took a lot of, I mean, took a lot of intentional, like, I'm gonna see this through to stay. And because the I'll say this. Theologically, we were not in alignment with leadership. That's that's what it comes down to. We believed that it had to be about the Bible and had to be about Jesus. And the church wanted to make everything about self-help.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And that's that's ultimately what it came down to. And so there was disagreement every step of the way. Everything that we did, it was questioned because we wouldn't get on board with the lead with the other leadership, which on our part is kind of like, hey, you you should you should be in alignment with your leadership. Yeah. You know, so that we should have seen that and been like, listen, guys, like we can't align on this, so we should probably just step down as yeah. But we kept pressing through and um and again we reached these kids. Yeah. Yeah, I I believe that God used us for the time that we were there. Because I mean, there was even at one point where we did a young adults group, and so we had a handful of college age students that they had a place to go. Yeah. You know, so we did do a little bit.
SPEAKER_06:I will say I just because I think this is a is goofy uh hook, like a silly thing that happened, but it's also it's do you remember how many background checks I had to turn in?
SPEAKER_03:Uh every 90 days you had to turn one in, I feel like.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, it was like uh please fill this out to the point where I turn it in and I feel like I was then at being asked for another one.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And I finally just stopped doing it. I eventually just stopped doing it. I think that they never really saw me as being actually part of the leader, the ministry by the end of it. You know what I mean? I don't, I don't I don't know. I'm I'm not trying to gossip. I just I thought it was so funny how often I was being asked to fill out the same form to the point where I just stopped doing it. Yeah. Like right there, like the first year, like it felt like every two weeks. Hey, I know you just turned one in, but can you submit another one? Can you submit another one?
SPEAKER_03:And I was like, They just were they weren't sure. They were making sure you weren't doing drugs or anything.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, like yeah, no, he's good now, but maybe next week he won't. Two weeks he might get he might have gotten booked and everything. No, but I were I gotta say, I love those kids.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think that we had a good time. But it was nice because well, it was unfortunate, but it was nice when we came in and started doing stuff for the youth group. There were a couple of kids that were there, but there was no leader in the room for months. And it was like one of the worship interns, he would come in and do a couple of songs and then kind of just sit and hang out with the kids. And he's an awesome guy, love him to death. But the kids kind of had free reign in the free reign of the room, and some of the kids that were there, they weren't there to learn about Jesus. They were there to hang out and play pool on the pool table and get and get a microphone in their hand because they got to sing, yeah. And so when we came in, and it was like, okay, gonna do worship, it's gonna be student-led after worship. We're gonna do our teaching, or we're gonna open the Bible and we're gonna read through the Bible. That was the first thing we did. We went through the Gospel of John as a youth group. So we did, and we would do that, and then we would go right into small groups. And it was like, if you want to hang out, you need to show up early, or we'll leave it open for 15-20 minutes after youth. But when we get started, like we're here, we're here, and we're doing, we're making it about Christ, and we're gonna learn more about Jesus. And so that kind of turned a couple of people off, and they they ended up leaving, um, no matter how hard we tried to get them to focus on on Christ. Um, but you know, it that that's what started drawing kids in. And and most of the kids that we had in our youth group, their parents did not go to the church. That was the other hard part of it, is like there's not a lot of kids that go to this church because there's not a lot of people that go to this church. And so all of our students are either coming from other churches or they don't have a church at all. Yeah. You know, so God worked on it. He used it for what it was, and it was nice for having a small group because we were able to be very intentional with the kids that we have. One thing I've learned because I've been helping out I on and off at our church that we're at now. I've helped out with student ministry.
SPEAKER_06:You're real good at calling those kids' names out.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:But uh you you hey, come to church, you'll get the joke.
SPEAKER_03:The uh it's like at one point, I think it was like a hundred. Kids to 200 kids on a Wednesday night. And when you got that many kids, it's so big. It's, I mean, I'm you know, when I was there, I was going around high-fiving everybody, making small talk, joking around. And then when it was time to talk about Jesus, it was like, let's get serious, let's get into this, you know. But even then, I probably only knew like 40% of the kids, not even half the kids that were there. And it's just because there's so many of them. So it's like, how do you intentionally pour in to students when there's so many?
SPEAKER_06:And I think that was a great thing about where we were at. Yeah. Let's come up quick. Like um, we're gonna call it Well, you remember what we called the youth group? Rooted. Rooted.
SPEAKER_03:Rooted youth.
SPEAKER_06:All right, let's we'll call it rooted. Rooted, but uh yeah, I mean, because we there was there was enough kids there that weren't having it. Even if there was one, it would weren't having it. But we had kids.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:But not so much in a number that you weren't able to get to know them in a way that they could trust you and have a conversation about Christ with you.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And they wanted to hang out with us. Yeah. You know, we we became friends with them and and they trusted us, but they also were like, hey, uh my parents don't have to drag me here. Yeah, I want to be here. I want to be here. We always had We had one or two that were dragged, but yeah. Yeah, for the most part, it was it was pretty solid. But yeah, dude, because we did a ton of, I mean, we had our our regular Wednesday night services, but then we also did hangout nights like once a month or something. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Uh lock-ins, lock-in, retreats, summer camp, nerf night, nerf night. We gotta talk about nerf night. All right, let's talk about Nerf Night. But we did have uh video games, like the we talked about the Minecraft night that we had, which was so much fun. Yeah. And just like you said, lock-ins and everything.
SPEAKER_03:And the whole point of all of that was to to build trust with kids so that when they are struggling with something and they need to talk, you know, you're you're a candidate. Like they're willing to because they trust you, they're willing to come and talk to you about it. And and they're willing to listen when you talk.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know, that's the thing is it's getting them engaged. The hardest thing is getting them engaged in a conversation. And if they've got a relationship with you and they trust you, then they will entertain the conversation. Yeah. You know?
SPEAKER_06:So I will say I remember standing there talking to you one time, and one of the kids just came over, had a football in their hand, and threw it right in my nose. They thought I was paying attention, and they took and they threw it and hit me like they were from like they were maybe two feet from me and just ja and hit me right in the face. And that really tested my patience of where I was about to shout. I'm like, I can't do this.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Do you remember when we play bash ball with all the kids? Bash ball was the funnest thing to do beforehand.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. That was a fun game. If you don't know what that is, just look it up. It's kind of hard to explain.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. But uh that was fun. Yeah, it's kind of like bash ball. That's all it is, bash ball. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, it is an enjoyable, engaging game. Yeah. Because it keeps everybody engaged the entire time. Anyways, Nerf Nights.
SPEAKER_06:Nerf nights. That crazy. That was. And just like I wish I still had my uh my little mini pistol. I carried that around with me after the nerf night, wherever. It was like a three-shot thing. And I was delivering pizzas at the time. And I had I had in my side thing the whole time in my truck. Like if somebody's got my I'm I'm packing. Yeah. Just thinking about like how goofy it would be, you know. Oh my gosh. Just to pull out a nerf gun, you know? Yep. That's hilarious. Some kid starts bothering me about the pizza. Back up, kid. Oh my gosh. But no, it was um I'm trying to remember the rules of how we set it up, but like we end up having like a battle royale mode, and we end up having like uh time trials and target practice, and like we set up a whole massive evening.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And all it was, we had like 20 kids, maybe more, and each one of them ran that gauntlet. And my job was to reset the gauntlet as quick as possible so we could get all these kids through this. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. That was, I mean, it was a fun night. I think the best part was capture the flag, though. Yeah. When we ended the night with just playing middle school versus high school, capture the flag.
SPEAKER_06:And uh so do you remember how it ended? And it was a stalemate. I don't think it there was a winner. No, so Sean, so we had um the flags, and we hid ours behind a door next to an exit of the of that went out of the building, going out into the parking lot. And the rule was you can't leave the building. Correct. We made that, we said that. The rule is you cannot leave the building. Well, Sean had gone and hid behind the door and used to use it as cover, and he looked at it and he realized, looked down, it's the flag. Yeah. And he was pinned down. So instead, he goes out the door outside and runs around and goes to capture the flag. Yep. And the thing was, is like, you can't do that. Yeah. And so it really ended up being a stalemate because at the exact same time we had set up cardboard barriers. Uh-huh. By the way, this church is massive when you're talking about space to play.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:We were doing this in the whole church, down in the basement upstairs, just massive. Yep. It was great. Yep. A great space. And um, at the exact same time we had cardboard box barriers, and Janelle, your sister, tried to jump over it.
unknown:And sprained her ankle.
SPEAKER_06:And sprained her ankle, hurt herself so bad. So in that moment where everybody was checking on Janelle is when Sean was behind the door and he took off. And so it's like, we got we ended the game. No one really won, but he's probably still this day thinks he won. No, you broke the rule, but somebody's hurt, so we got to end this.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And it was kind of like it was it. I'm glad it was my sister and it wasn't some other. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_06:I thought I think about that all the time. Where if it was anybody else who got hurt bad, we would have been in so much trouble. But because it was your sister and she understood the situation, no charges or anything were pressed, you know?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. It ended up being good, but it was good too, because it was like, okay, now's the time to end anyway, as we got on.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, this this has to stop. Yeah. We had another nerf night though, where it was like, it came down to me and another student against two others, and it was just kept firing down this hallway because we were both pinned down and just trying to get somebody and trying to get somebody and trying to get somebody. And I ended up finally saying, I gotta sacrifice myself somehow. So I took out running and shot one of the students, leaving them down to one. And I was out, but then the other student managed to then come through and take out. And so and that was when we dispersed just youth and everybody.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I think that well, no, because that night was adults versus students because we had adult leaders. I think we did this so many times.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. We had three or four Nerf nights.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we probably did. One night we did it exclusively, it was just a nerf night.
SPEAKER_06:And then we did it one time during uh a lock-in. Do you remember the video we made for the lock in that one time? Oh yeah. Yeah. We uh it was it uh silly versus Billy, don't be silly, be Billy. Yeah, or something like that. Yeah. Where it was like meant to be this really cringy, like infomercial type thing, but it was like I was silly and you were Billy. Yeah, yeah. And um, it was just going through the night and you know, the things you should do as Billy, but don't be silly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_06:And then at the very end, we was like, and we don't, and like we had a time frame of like where we played messy games. Yeah, that's it just labeled messy games, and our job we couldn't come up with anything for the messy games portion of the video, constructional video. So we just said, me and you, because I don't even think I think it was um Daryl's idea to do the messy games. Yeah, it was, yeah. And so we were just like in our video, we're like, and then finally to close out the night is we're gonna play messy games. We don't talk about messy games, we take that trauma and bury it deep, deep in the woods. And it just shows us carrying this crate out into the woods and burying it into the ground.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, and I remember like looking over while the video was airing for the night, and uh Daryl was just staring at us like, what is it why? Because we didn't show the video to anybody, no, not ahead of time. We didn't. No, it was just me and you.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, we just like, yeah, that's good enough. That's good enough. We'll put it out there. And then what's crazy is like I think that was the full on night, like lock-in, like and staying up and everything. Yeah. And I remember just my brain being mush by the end of that night. Sure. But there was a moment where they were playing messy games, but it was like like one of them was like eating. I can't it's it makes me want to throw up thinking about it because yeah, that stuff makes me like grossed out. Yeah. But it was like one of them was just trying to eat cereal as quick as possible, but they were sharing a bowl, and I'm like, I can't know, that's so gross. Yeah. And then another one was like trying to push a raw egg through a tube and blowing air through both sides.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Do you remember what happened? No, I remember that game happened, but I don't remember what happened. Two of the students were playing, uh-huh. And one of them was blowing so hard he passed out, fell back, and hit the floor. Oh yeah. Oh man. And so it was so crazy because he gets up and doesn't realize he passed out. And they go, he's like, What happened? And somebody said, 'You passed out.' He goes, I passed out. Woo!
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, very eccentric young man. He also, thankfully, he was one of the pastor's nephews. Yeah, so he ended up working out.
SPEAKER_06:He just passed again, yeah, passed out and just fell backwards, and we thought he faked it. He thought he we were playing. And I think Daryl caught him.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:But he still caught him in the like it was just it was a crazy moment. Yeah. And just like I think a lot of those things were just like we were we were playing, we were there with the youth and getting into the games and playing not for the youth, but with the youth. Yeah. And we would forget that we're there to also make sure the youth doesn't get hurt or and make sure they're protected in these nights. And we did, but in some moments we would I was gonna say you're making it sound rude. No, no, no, it's not bad. It's just more of like it was an eye-opening moment, like, oh wait, yeah, that's right, we're adults. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then we had to like, all right, let's pull it back, guys, a little bit. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, all that stuff was fun. I think for me though, getting the kids in the word every single week, we were going through verse by verse through a book of the Bible.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And when we did retreats or we did vacation Bible, or we did the summer camp. Yeah. It would be themed, but it would still be, hey, we're in the Bible. Yeah. You know, and there was one year where I I put together the devotional for all the students for the week for summer camp. And so and like printed it off, and they all had their own little devotional booklets, you know, for the week. And it was like every morning after breakfast, everyone's got 30 minutes of quiet time, and you're gonna go work on your devotional and do Bible reading and pray. You know, and by the end of the week, there were several kids that were like, I really love this. Um, and I've never felt closer to the Lord. I'm like, I wanna what do I do? How do I do this? You know, so it's like getting to encourage, you know, and you're tired because you've been going from before the sun's up to way after the sun's down for a summer camp.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Do you remember on the summer camp where I got so terribly sunburned? Oh, yeah. And to the point where I was sick.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And you came up there to the rooms. I'm laying down.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And you said, Hey, you want to go get some ice cream, go down to the that we're all going to get ice cream. I said, I can't, I I feel awful. Yeah. And I did, I felt awful. I could barely move, and like I was about to throw up. And you said, Brother, let me pray for you. And you prayed on for me.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And in that moment, I just said, All right, let's go. And I stood up feeling just fine, and we went and got ice cream. Yeah, praise the Lord, dude.
SPEAKER_03:And that was that was another thing is we got to like teach the kids, hey, the gifts of the spirit are alive and active because our God is alive and active.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, prayer works. It is real. And I saw that happen so many times. Yeah. Who was it? Um, it wasn't Daryl, was it Daniel who had sprained his arm? Yeah, did he hurt his arm real bad? And we started praying for him. And in that moment, he said, Hold on, as in the middle of prayer, takes off his arm brace, moves his arm around wrist around. We hear it pop, he says, I'm good.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. We saw, I mean, they the kids got to experience firsthand a couple of different miracles happen within the youth group. Yeah. And we always made a point to celebrate Christ when it happened, but also to bring it back around to like, hey, God, God is active and alive, and like we're not chasing miracles, we're not chasing healings. We're being obedient. And when we feel led to pray for people, we should just do it. We shouldn't justify why we don't have to. Because I think that's a big stumbling block, especially for young people, is like, well, I kind of feel like I'm supposed to pray for this person, but I really don't want to because of social pressure, this, that, and the other, whatever it is. You know, so helping them overcome like, hey, none of that matters. I mean, you're you're the ambassador of Christ. Like, show the love of Christ to people. Get over your own insecurities. You know, it's like at the end of the day, someone's gonna look at you weird.
SPEAKER_06:I know you're talking in a general sense, but you're talking right to me. Get over your insecurities and just go do youth group, guys.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Looks like uh John's got to plug in. Is his computer dying?
SPEAKER_03:Plug it in, plug it in.
SPEAKER_06:I want to say this uh during youth group uh sorry, uh summer camp one year, we had two students who were lack of better words, uh, troublemakers. They had kind of they had come as uh they came for a vacation.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:That's what it essentially was is their parents kind of sent them to go on this trip.
SPEAKER_03:No, their parents didn't even really know it was kind of those scenario where it's like their parents don't really know what's going on in their life. And so they're just kind of going and doing. Yeah. Because I found that out later on, like these kids, their parents don't even know that they're here. Yeah, you know, and that's pretty bad because they had to sign a waiver. Yeah. So how did these kids get these waivers signed?
SPEAKER_06:You know, so but I want to say they they they came in a pair, they were two buddies, and something you know, real bad, I don't think a lot of people saw it, but kind of real bad troublemakers causing a lot of problems, kick uh pushing back on a lot of the things throughout the week. Yeah, and I don't I didn't see the turn for one of the students, but he we were having a small group and he said, you know, I want to know more about this god guy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:You know, he he said that. He said, I want to know more about this god guy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And after camp was over, he started coming regularly to youth group. And I I think that was incredible to see him come for a vacation and leave with a an intentional want and need for Christ. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, and and that came from a place of I mean, it came from the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Let's be honest. But, you know, that operates from the body just being faithful to what we're called to do, shine the light of Christ. Like let's not let's not beat around the bush. Let's be transparent. You know, the only reason we're gathering is because of the love of Christ. Right. And we're gonna talk about it and we're gonna figure out what God calls us to do and how to live in our new lives in eternity, and we're gonna try and pursue that over the fleeting, failing attitudes of the world. And uh yeah, I think that that kind of resounds with because when someone's in sin and they're depressed and they're upset and they're not satisfied with life, but they don't know why, and then the light of Christ shines into their life and sin is exposed, they're like, wait a minute, maybe maybe there's something to this, you know, and so it's not that way every time. You know, some people uh automatically reject him, they're like, nope, that's not for me.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, because his buddy I don't he he didn't by the end, which is is sad, and we we pray for him, you know. Yeah, we or we need to pray for him. Hopefully he is in a great spot now in his life and accept Christ. Maybe we planted the seed, but you know, yeah, he his his that student did come and he started coming regularly and he engaged and he wanted to be a part of things. Yeah. And it was a great thing to see. Yep, you know, starting from so rebellious, yeah, you know, just wanting to get away to wanting to be part of that community.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And I mean, the the kids that invited him, they were the kids that that the reason they were at youth group was to just hang out. You know, so that's what was crazy is like these kids, they they don't seem to be too concerned with engaging. They don't seem like they want to be here, but they keep coming back every week. You know, they they're not really picking up on anything, but they're coming. But they're here, so and that's so we're gonna keep on. I mean, we're not gonna change anything to cater to them. No, we're gonna keep on speaking truth and making it all about Jesus, and we've got them for as long as we've got them, we're gonna show them the love of God by being truthful with them, being honest with them and and trying to help them, you know. Um, and I think that because this church kind of was going that way of like, how do we be no judgment on somebody? How do we just love them into the door and love them into salvation? And it's like, well, yes, we're called to love, but the love that you're talking about is like a accepting total acceptance of sin in somebody's life and not calling it out, like not calling let me rephrase the way I say that. Not that we're calling people sin out, but not willing to call sin. Right. And charging people to improve themselves. Yeah, I mean, we're calling people to repentance. Yeah. You know, like that's what we're called to do, and that's what we try to do in the youth group was like, hey, like this is this is what Christ has called us to be, because he created us to be this way. And we're called to repent of our sins and and rest in him because he's got so what he has is so much better. And you will see that and you will experience that if you'll repent and believe.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So we tried to drive that home and and we did see fruit from it, you know. Now we're removed from it, from that group. It's been a long time. It's been, I think we stopped doing that in 2015. No, no, that's when we started. We stopped in 2018. 2018. The end of 2018, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:That's right, because I was working, I was working a job and I got let go from that job.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:About the time we started this. That's right. Yep. And then I worked at a pizza place, then another job. Yeah. And then I got let from go from that job. Yeah. And that was also about the exact same time when we stopped. Yeah. And now then I got the job where I work at, which my timeline is so messed up because I just realized I've been working where I work at now for eight years now. Whoa. I know, right? Impressive. 2018. 2018, maybe. You know, it's been eight years since 2018 at this point. Yes. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, that's math, right? Yeah, yeah, math. Yeah, but so we did all that for a couple of years.
SPEAKER_06:26 minus 18.
SPEAKER_03:Did that for years, and then we stepped down from youth leadership at the church. Felt like God was pulling us in a different direction. And I mean, to be honest, it was just it felt like every other month we had a come to Jesus meeting with the leadership because we were doing something they didn't like. And it wasn't anything that was like bad. It's just they they didn't because we didn't we didn't want because we wanted to be expository teaching every single week. And I I know that sounds awful, but because we wanted to expository teach every single week. And just make it about the gospel and didn't necessarily submit to the leadership as spiritual leaders. We were the outcasts of the church. Well, they had a problem with us because we wouldn't submit to their spiritual leadership.
SPEAKER_06:Because their spiritual leadership, I mean, I it was a lot of I I stopped going to the Sunday services.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And was only exclusively going to the Wednesday night services because they weren't. Which I got a lot of flack for. I know, right? Uh yeah, I know. You remember I remember you pulling me aside, like, hey, you you need to at least try to come. Try to come. I'm like, I'm not getting anything out of this because it's all motivational, motivational speakings and teachings, and it really didn't feel like it was teaching out of the Bible.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:It wasn't. And that I mean, well I hope the church is better now in the sense of like teaching people the word.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:I hope that. I pray and hope that that's what they're doing now. Sure. I haven't looked at this church in a while. Yeah. The only thing the closest I got to this church was we went and saw Spider-Man, uh the last one, No Way Home. Yeah, I don't remember. There's a movie theater right next to this church. Yeah. And we went to see Spider-Man No Way Home. And that was me and my now wife's like first time she y'all met her. Because I brought her to go see Spider-Man. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh so that's the closest I got to the church.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. But yeah, we stepped down from youth leadership, but we still were going to the church for probably another six months, maybe. Um, and then my in-laws, they had been going there for years and they left before we did. But they found this other church and they're like, hey, like you should come check this out. I think you actually might like it. Because they do expository teaching. Yeah. Service. And so we're like, okay, we'll check it out. And at that time, our church was doing an evening service. Like the church I go to now. Yeah. The church we go to now. Yeah. They were doing an evening service. So we're like, okay, that that kind of works. Like we can go to, you know, this church we've been going to for a while, the regular time, and go check out this other church without causing the drama of like why'd you why you blah blah blah. You know. So we went and checked it out and we're like, yeah, we need to start coming here. Yeah. Um, and the and the reason was because we were trying to the reason we stepped down from youth and the reason that we were open to looking for another church is not is because we realized we cannot entrust our children to the spiritual leadership of this congregation. We started having kids and we're like, it's not respon it, it's one thing if we don't have any kids and we're here just trying to be the light of Christ and ministering to the community at this church. Yeah. It's another thing when we're responsible for the spiritual growth of our children and physical growth of our children. Are we comfortable submitting them to the spiritual leadership of this community? And we weren't. And so we were like, we've gotta we've gotta figure this out. So that ultimately let us leaving. But we started going to the church we're at now, and I mean we uh we great church. Uh yeah, yeah, it's good. I mean, it's got its own problems, but uh we we got plugged in right away. Uh started helping out with youth at this church and you know, the kids' room, and wherever there was a need, we just tried to jump in and help. We got involved in a small group, uh, loved the loved the service because I mean it was expository teaching every single Sunday. And it's, you know, it's it's not flawless. I'll say that. No church is. Every church has flawed people coming in the doors um who are in need of a flawless savior. And so our church thankfully is making it about that. They're reading the Bible every single Sunday, and they're making it about the gospel of Jesus Christ every single Sunday. They're not making it about how to live your best life today, you know, by doing these three steps or these five steps or whatever, you know, whatever it is, it's all about Christ. And they don't shy away from the hard stuff in the Bible. I like that as well, you know, could because I think a lot of churches like, well, people will tune out if we tackle this topic or we read about this, like people are gonna leave. So they don't do it. And it's like, well, that's God's eternal word. Like we should not shy away from God's word. So I appreciate that we do that at our church. Yeah, but did youth in in at this church, so obviously I wasn't the youth director, they had their own youth director. You're just a volunteer. I was just a volunteer, but this youth group was big. Yeah. And I realized very quickly none of these kids are gonna take me seriously if all I'm doing is Wednesday night. And so I started a frisbee group club, if you will, ultimate frisbee club, and started inviting the kids to come play Ultimate Frisbee.
SPEAKER_06:And then you had your uh a very professional uh videographer come out and record y'all playing and editing that and putting that out.
SPEAKER_03:To promote it as like a hey, we do this every single Sunday, you should come join us.
SPEAKER_06:Did that ever end up playing in the middle of church?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Well, uh on a Wednesday night youth service. Yeah we played it a couple of times. By the way, it was me.
SPEAKER_06:I I filmed and edited that. It was that was that was so much fun going out. Do you remember me f doing those drones, drone those drone shots and flying my drone right into that tree, my brand new drone? Yeah, that was rough. I just went and cleaned all the mud out of it, uh, cleaned uh replaced the blades, uh propellers on it, and then got back to shooting. I was there all day for a 30-second video. Yeah. It was it was cool. I I still I'll still pull it out and watch that.
SPEAKER_03:I like it. I think it was good. And you know what? That group we started with like three kids coming and playing every single week. So it was like three kids, me, and sometimes uh me and one other leader. But the one other leader would be different like almost every week. But we started out small and kids just started slowly coming and checking it out and fell in love with it and started playing every single week. And it got, I mean, it got to the point where, you know, there was probably 40 or 50 kids coming every single week to play. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And that was a lot when I filmed. Yeah. And so Is there anybody that is in that video that I should know now? I don't know. We'll have to we'll have to re-watch it and find it and look. I feel like I feel like they should they like, oh yeah, that's so and so and that's so and so. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I wasn't going to our church at the time.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:After th uh oh, I'm gonna set it. Yeah. After rooted or root, yeah, rooted. Yeah. Uh I went back to the Baptist church.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And in that, that's when I was from the experience of have doing youth group, yeah, was I stepped up and did vacation bible school and led the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. Had a great time doing that and took a lot of what I learned from youth group to that. That's awesome. And uh then was there for a couple of years and then ended up going to the now church. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, you went to another one for a couple of times, right? Uh that one.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, bigger one. For about a couple months. Yeah. And then for reasons, ended up leaving and going to where we're at now.
unknown:Where we're at now.
SPEAKER_03:Cool. Well, yeah, but I say all that about the youth group. Like, I wasn't even the leader. I wasn't responsible for numbers and projections and any of that stuff that comes with the business side of chatches. I was just there and my goal was to make an impact on kids' lives. So I started playing Ultimate Frisbee with them on Sunday. Because my philosophy is if all you're doing is a once-a-week meeting with kids and you're only talking to them for 20 minutes out of that time.
SPEAKER_06:They're not going to get to know you as you. Correct. We heard it last week or last episode with Ethan talking about you got to get to know these kids on a personal level. Correct. To be able for them to trust what you're saying about Christ.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you got to build a relationship for them to want to engage. And so Frisbee helped do that because it was there was no pressure. It was just come out, we're going to throw the disc around.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, this guy who's telling me about Jesus is more than just the guy up on stage. He is a person. Well, and I like this person.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not, yeah, I'm not pressuring them to do anything except be a good sportsman. That was the only thing. Is Wednesday or Sundays we'd play Frisbee and they'd come out. I'd pray before we get started. We'd start playing, and I would challenge all of them, like, hey guys, we're not going to the Olympics. And Jesus is here with us. So let's be encouraging. Let's let's take all that anger and argumentative mindset and let's apply it to ourselves and just force ourselves to play harder and do well and sacrifice our bodies. And that's where, you know, yeah. So that was the name of the Frisbee group, and they're still playing today. Are they now? Yeah. Well, it's mostly college students now, but they've all graduated. But yeah, they still play every single Sunday.
SPEAKER_06:That's awesome.
SPEAKER_03:I uh I got it going and it was going hard. Like I said, I mean we got to the point where we're up to like 40 or 50 kids every single week. And then my wife and I had our third child, Dasher. Yeah. And we were like, I've got to pull back a little bit. Because I have to take care of this wild man. Yep. So did that and then started going again for a little while. And then I ended up starting my own business for handyman work and repair.
SPEAKER_06:What's that called? Go ahead and dox yourself. I was about to do it too. Uh let me promote this business that I'm not going to be doing anymore. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But um, yeah, so I started doing that, and then I was like, I my only day off is Sunday. And I need to make sure I'm spending time with my family. Yeah. So Frisbee was a no-go anymore. So stop doing it.
SPEAKER_06:Should go out. Should go out there.
SPEAKER_03:I do need to. I've been telling myself in my head, like, I've got to go one time before we leave for Hawaii. Just so that I can see everybody, say hi, throw the disc around, and let them know I love them and I'm proud of all of them because they're all great. Yeah. So uh, but yeah, we'll figure that out. I'll figure that out. But yeah, I mean, every youth ministry experience I've had has encouraged me and equipped me to press deeper into the Lord. And, you know, I'm not even I mean, there's other churches and youth ministries that I've done outside of the two that we talked about. You know, I've probably helped out with a dozen or so youth engagements and slash ministry. You know, it works. And I'm gonna keep doing it, even you know, no matter where in the world we go, because I firmly believe in in the kids are the future. Kids are the future, but you youth ministry requires someone willing to build a relationship with kids to earn their trust to share the gospel with them. And you don't see that a whole lot. Like you see people sacrificing time to come to a youth gathering, but not their body to volunteer. But yeah, no, they're not sacrificing their body like they need to. So that's I will always do that as the Lord wills it. I don't know what it'll look like when we're in Hawaii, um, but the Lord will work it out. So yeah, I'm believing in that and I'm excited. We're we're running out of time.
SPEAKER_06:We are running out of time, but there's one last thing because I feel like it was crucial to Wednesday night youth.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And we didn't bring it up, and if we don't bring it up, I feel like we're gonna get ourselves in trouble because it was a crucial part of every single youth group.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_06:Uh every single Wednesday night.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Chick-fil-A. After after service.
SPEAKER_03:After the youth group, everyone would go to Chick-fil-A afterwards to get chicken.
SPEAKER_06:I had Chick-fil-A every Wednesday for three days, uh three years straight.
SPEAKER_03:Every every week. Every single Wednesday we had, even when we couldn't afford to pay the power bill, we found a way to eat Chick-fil-A.
SPEAKER_06:That's right, that's right. And my Chick-fil-A order was then a spicy chicken sandwich, a large fry with honey mustard, and a cookies and cream milkshake. And to this day, that is still my Chick-fil-A order.
SPEAKER_03:Mine's evolved, but when we were doing the youth group, I'd get nuggets and I'd get Buffalo and Ranch. And mix it up. And mix it up and do buffalo wangs. Wangs. Wangs. It was great. It was good. I enjoyed it. Probably shouldn't have eaten fried chicken every single Wednesday, though.
SPEAKER_06:We did it.
SPEAKER_03:We're Southern. We'll work it off.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, it it's it's in our DNA. Yeah, yeah. So, anyways, so since you made me introduce the podcast as uh an old man goofy, I need you to do the outro.
SPEAKER_03:That's because you rolled a 10.
SPEAKER_06:Well, then roll this. Okay. Roll this, since you were also a guest. That is that's a two, so now you gotta do goofy and introdu out of us.
SPEAKER_04:Well, thanks for being that's my jockey. Well, thanks for joining us. Hope to see you next week when we talk about whatever we're gonna talk about.
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SPEAKER_04:Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now. We are the Saint Censer. How can you see into my eyes with open doors? Have you become so no?
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