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Welcome to the Saints That Serve podcast. Where each week your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith, culture, and the unknown. Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now.

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We are the Saints that serve.

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Yeah, I think it's your turn to go. Okay. Welcome everybody to the Saints That Serve Podcast. That's the Saints That Serve Podcast. I'm your host, Jaris. And I'm your host, Johnny. And this is episode 60. Do you not know? I'm throwing it off to you. Come on. 60. Uh-huh. Come on. Yeah. One. Come on. 62? No. 61. No. 60. Yeah.

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I said 60, and then you're like, come on. Yeah. Come on.

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I was like, But you weren't sure of yourself the way you ran. No, I wasn't. I actually have no idea. Is it 60? Yeah, that's episode 60.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah, episode 60. Episode 60. We've been doing this. The show is middle, uh, is senior citizen age now. That's what it is. The show is mid. No, it's senior. I think senior citizen is 65. All right. Come back in five weeks and we'll be senior citizen podcast. We'll be senior citizens. Yeah.

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How's your week been?

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It's been pretty good. Praise the Lord. Yeah. Ashley went on a trip and I was all by myself. Oh. And I was sad, but then she came home and I was happy. Yeah.

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Well, good. Well, you know, we pray for our listeners every Friday.

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So every single ding dong Friday. Yes. Because we're ringing the bell.

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Yeah, I got it. I'm picking up. La la la la la. Yeah. Uh so if anybody needs prayer for anything, just feel free to reach out to us. You can reach out via social media. Uh, you can reach out through the link at the bottom of the description of this episode, or you can email us saints that serve at gmail.com.

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That's right. And you know what? We have a very rare opportunity here to say uh we typically don't do this, but it's Friday right now.

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It's Friday, Friday. So let me pray for you. On mic for you. Heavenly Father, I thank you for everyone that tunes into this uh podcast that we do. Lord, is it's it's something that Jarris and I enjoy doing together as friends and as brothers in Christ. Lord, I just pray for every person that tunes in around the world um that they would hear the joy and the love that comes from community in Jesus. Lord, I pray that we would continue to press into you, God, um, and and help us, God, every every conversation that comes up in these episodes, every thing we talk about, every topic, Lord, help us to try and bring it back to you. And I just pray that that would encourage anyone who listens, anyone who's going through a hard time right now, be it financially or emotionally, mentally, I just pray for the comfort of Jesus Christ over them right now. Um anyone who's suffered loss this year from a loved one, I just pray for the comfort of Jesus Christ over their lives right now, in the name of Jesus. Lord, bless this time as we all come together to have a conversation and and encourage one another in the truths of Jesus Christ. Only found in your word, Lord. Um, yeah. Praise your name. In your name I pray, Jesus.

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Amen. Amen. All right, you ready? So, if you're listening to this on Monday, but you think back on Friday and you felt blessed, that's because of John's prayer.

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There you go.

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So before we get into today's topic, last time last week's episode, episode 59. Yeah, right. We had a game with a wager on it.

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It was the Lego episode where you listed a Lego set, and I had to figure out if it was a real or a fake one. Mm-hmm. And I lost. You did by one. By one question, you lost. One question. And so you as the victor get a Lego set. You're gonna build tonight.

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Yeah, while we record, I'm gonna build this Lego set.

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Let me preface this. A set that I wanted to get for you doesn't exist.

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So I had to go with the runner up. So before you reveal it, I wanted to say, and it's gonna be really, really funny if it is what it is. But in the episode, you said, let's pick one right now for me to get you. And I said, it would be funnier if you surprise me. And then I went home and started looking at Lego sets, and I'm just like, dang it. I should have picked it. I should have picked this one. And I was like, it is Luffy from One Piece. Oh, like the figure. Like you build a figure up. You build the figure. It wasn't a mini fig, but it was like one of those like build it and it's a character set. Yeah. And I was like, dang it. I should have picked that one. That would have been cool.

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I thought about getting you one, but the only one I could find was the Going Mary with the entire crew on it, which is like a hundred bucks.

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No, and the limit was ten dollars on this bit.

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Well, I went over the limit. Why?

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But not too much over the limit. Okay. So should I close my eyes? Are you just gonna reveal it?

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Uh I'm gonna go ahead and reveal it, and as I reveal it, you can go ahead and explain to everybody what it is. Are you ready?

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That's awesome. So it is a um it is Lego set 72032. Stop right there.

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That's it. Make them look it up.

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I wonder though, before I actually reveal what this is, I wonder if there's different Lego sets numbers depending on different types of years, properties, that kind of thing.

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I I don't know what the coding system I know that they use it now for the companion app. So you can download the Let's Build app, yeah, and you can either scan the QR code or input your Legos, Lego set number, and it'll pull up the instructions on your phone.

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So maybe it is just you can search that set, and this is the only set with this number. With Funko Pops, it's like Funko Pop has like pop lines, yeah. And then it is the Funko Pop number one in the video game line, in the Disney line. Yeah. In the sports line. That's how they do it that way. But uh, if y'all are tired of me sitting here ranting, not saying what it is, and you haven't looked it up, it is the Lego Super Mario Mario Kart set. In honor of the open world Mario uh Super Mario Super Mario, what's it called? Mario Kart World. Yep. The Switch 2 for the Switch 2 is so much fun. Yeah. I have a few small complaints on it in the sense of how they integrate races and tracks. I I I thought you meant the Lego set. No, this is great. It is Mario's cart, and it comes with a toad. And I guess I'm gonna have to get back my Mario from your child so Mario can uh drive it.

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There's no way that it's in one piece anymore. There's no way that he's in one piece. Can you clarify what you mean by the races for everyone who's listening?

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So in Mario Kart, they have a Mario Kart Grand Prix. So it's a set of four races that would be typically you have three laps around the track and then Vehicle races. Vehicle races.

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That's what I was trying to get at. Oh, sorry. Yeah.

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Well, we were talking about Mario Kart is a racing game.

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You just you were like, my complaints were the races, the different races. I was like Oh my god. Okay, thank you for letting me clear. We gotta cover ourselves here because we are on the internet. Because of the internet, it's made me think this way now. And it's like, you know what? I didn't think that, but because I know how other people will perceive it, that's what I thought.

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Okay. Normally I don't think that way, but race car racing. NASCAR. Yeah. F1.

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F one.

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So, anyways, so my complaint real quick is that in Mario Kart World, it's now an open world game. So if you choose the Grand Prix, it's the first race in it is a three-lap race, like typical. Then the other three on it are one lap rallies, like it's go from one point to another across the map.

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Yeah.

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And it's like you're going across the map and then you enter a normal actual track within that race and you race one lap on it. And it's like I kind of wish that didn't exist in there, or there was an option to turn off that rally from point to point. Because the races are more fun to me on three laps. The game overall is fantastic. It's probably my second favorite Mario Kart. Okay. And it would be my favorite if they didn't have that rally from uh from racetrack to racetrack. But whatever. But yeah, I'm gonna pop bad pop this bad boy open and start building it right now.

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Heck yeah. And while you do that, let's go ahead and cue up what we're talking about tonight, which is uh we have our um we have our cults series that we're doing.

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That we revisit. That we revisit from time to time. Correct. Oh my gosh, this is awesome.

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This is gonna be really loud for people.

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Oh, it's okay. Okay, I'll hold on. I dropped something. Uh we're talking about what love has won cult. The love has one cult.

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Uh Tower this should transition into Love Has One. Otherwise known or was known at one point as the Galactic Federation of Light.

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Dude, this stuff is so goofy. Yes. The whole thing. This you ever seen that? It's like in a paper bag now. Is that how they do that now? Uh it depends on what it is. Oh, there's stickers. This is gonna be awful. I'm so bad at stickers.

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It's okay.

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I'll I'll help you, son. Thanks, Dad. Welcome. So, anyways, love has won. Yeah, dude. So, yeah, like I suggested this to you, and I don't think you knew a lick about it. And when I came in, you're like, dude, this is insanity.

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Well, uh, let me let me preface it by saying this. It's crazy, but when you put it into the context of New Age, which is really what it is, is it's just a different stream of New Age. It's not that crazy.

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True.

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You know, but for those of you who don't know what Love Has Won or the Galactic Federation of Light, it is a cult that was can I can I say this before you describe this?

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Sure. Um, I would classify this as the okay, we talked about Catholicism, we've talked about Mormonism, we've talked about Okay, let's not put Catholicism in there with I'm but in the sense of religion and different things.

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Okay.

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Uh we when we're talking about going in a deep dive into different religions, uh Catholicism, Scientology, uh Mormonism, Freemasons, uh, and there's the other one. I'm blanking on it, uh Jehovah's Witnesses. Yep. The JWs.

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I can't believe that I'm arguing for Catholics, but they're not a different religion than us.

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They have different practices. There we go. But they believe the same thing as us for the most part. Core doctrines are pretty much the same. So the reason why I say all that is those are actually mass popular religions. Yeah. Big, really big, big, huge. Love has won huge. Love has won is very tiny, very small. And so, and the things they believe, it's it's wackier than Scientology. I think the only reason why Scientology is is so big is because they are very secretive of what they l believe, and by the time they within the religion reveal what you're supposed to believe, you're in too deep. But I would like I think love is one is more out there than Scientology.

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Yeah, it uh it's it's pretty far. But that's everything, like that's the thing. Everything new age, like unless you are indoctrinated into it, when you get into the deep ends of new age, like you're like, wow, this is too much. But it's a good, I think, as Christians, not to say that we need to deep dive into the new age.

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No, but we gotta know and have some knowledge of what the enemy is presenting to people. Because it's not new.

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That's what I was getting at is with new age, these are timeless things that have been going on, not timeless, but these are ancient things that have been going on forever. Yeah. Because things like reading of crystals, you know, auras, your chakras, all these different things that they practice, spiritual enlightenment, um, releasing your spirit so that it can be free, you know, the these different things, these different Gnostic ideas mixed in with, you know, witchcraft practices, is they've been going on forever. I mean, the first century church, John, his gospel is combating Gnosticism in all of John's writings. He's basically fighting against Gnostic teachings that are already popping up. So, you know, these things have been around for a long time. So when you look at things like this Love is one cult, just don't be surprised that it's happening, but be aware that this stuff is happening. I think that's the biggest problem with the church today in America is we like to be ignorant of what's going on around us so that it's almost like we can plead the, oh, I didn't know, I didn't know.

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The story around this cult in its timeline is way more interesting than what they believe when you're talking about what happened. Uh, hold on one second. I just want to just uh that was me opening the Facet First bag for everyone out there. And then this is me, hold on, I'm gonna just get it in nice and close. This is me pouring out the Legos on the table.

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For those of you who needed to know what was what that was.

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It is a very, very distinct sound, isn't it? Like the sound of Lego plastic, like correct.

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So yeah, but um, okay, so love is one.

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Love is one. Uh I wanted to say this. The way the way I found out about this cult is that I was on uh me and Ashley, my wife, were watching TV. I fell asleep on the couch, and then she put on there is a uh HBO documentary about this cult. Yeah. Um I wouldn't recommend watching it just because there's a lot of language in it. Okay. And there's a lot of they show a lot of the imagery of what happens to this cult leader leader. Okay. And it's very disturbing.

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So disclaimer, we are gonna get into some things about this cult that are kind of graphic and maybe not for kids to listen. So if you have any kids, maybe turn it off and don't let them listen to the rest of this episode.

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Yeah, just go ahead and skip this episode because it is It's not super duper nasty, but it is I wouldn't recommend watching that documentary. But if you want to learn about it, listen to us.

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We did it so you don't have to.

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Yes. So, anyways, okay, so the beginning of the documentary. Right. So it is uh the police going in to the compound because they get a report and they go in and they find this body. Yeah. And I was asleep and I woke up to the moment where they're finding the body and it jolted me awake. It scared me so bad.

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Yeah.

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Just it in the documentary, it's not horribly, horribly graphic, but it was enough that it was a shock when you're waking up and looking up and seeing this body. Uh yeah, a dead body is is is is awful, no matter what. Yeah. But we then proceeded to watch all of this until like four o'clock in the morning. Oh my god. It's like a four-episode documentary. And so we ended up watching it was a weekend. It was a school night.

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Uh kid, I don't know.

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Yeah. Yeah, no, I don't remember. It's been a while, but it has stuck with me.

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Yeah. Well, yeah, it it's pretty, I don't know, it's pretty messed up. But the love is one, it kind of here's the thing. It started out as the Galactic Federation of Light, which was kind of started by if you want to go even further back, it starts out with this woman.

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Like, she is the leader of this cult. And you know that she went, like, she worked at McDonald's as a manager. Yeah.

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And then from there, she I don't know the full She left her husband and children, her third husband children. Right. And cut ties with them and most of her family. And started this hippie-dippy stuff. And started following this one guy who started the Galactic Federation of Light. I can't remember what his name is.

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We'll call we'll call him well Robert Robert Saltgaver. Saltzgaver. So I want to be careful here because fast forward a little bit, she goes by Mother God. Yes. I do not want to call her that in this episode. We're going to call her Amy, because that's her name. That's her actual name. Actual name. Just so you know, if we actually slip up and reference Mother God, we're talking about Amy, but we're going to try her our best just to keep referencing her as Amy.

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Yeah, because that's what she called, that's what her entire cult is. Is it's called the Love is One, but it's the cult of Mother God, pretty much. But she meets up with this guy, Robert Saltzgaver, also known as Amareth White Eagle. That's right, it's very, very hippie. And they get going, and I think like some people portray it as like he manipulates her into thinking that she is the she is God incarnate. And it's um and then he leaves the picture somehow.

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It's kind of not super duper clear, but he leaves the picture. He was doing this whole thing and then lost kind of control of it, and then he steps away, and then she's now being pulled into this ideology, is now full on heading it up.

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Yeah, she's kind of in charge, but she always gets a counterpart to kind of run things for her so that she can just exist and do whatever she wants to do. Because that's ultimately what it comes down to. Yeah, the cult evolves into her just doing whatever she wants to do. She's a she's a drug addict and alcoholic, is what it really comes down to. Yeah. And so she she gets a person called Father God to be her counterpart. Yes. And even though there's the mother god and the father god, she goes through in the span of her religion, r religion's existence, I think the count was six different father gods.

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Yeah. There's so many, and I at one point, again, and it's it's very lustful in that sense, where it's like father god being like her husband, yeah, in this religion, but once she got grew tired of a father god, she just moved on to the next father god. It had nothing to do with, you know, yeah, actual real compatibility or anything.

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Yep. So yeah, but like the religion basically people come, they do a lot of online video live streams. Right. And that's where they post the updates on what they're doing, they give their insights, and she gives her religious whatevers. Uh right.

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And it's all this like buyer crystals, buyer this, buyer that. It's all very monetarily driven.

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Yeah, buyer thinks because they're what they're trying to do is as the galactic federation of light, they're trying to fight off the darkness, which they call the cabal.

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And that's a destiny term, like from the game Destiny. Yeah. There's an enemy race called the Cabal.

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Well, there's this secret organization called the Cabal that Mother God, she's the only one who can defeat them. And the only way for her to defeat them is to get the I can't even remember how they did it. But basically it was power. Like she has to get to this certain point of enlightenment, and in order for her to do that, she needs the support of other people. Meaning she needs she needs people to buy their products so that she can do different things that help her focus on channeling light. Right. And these were some of the things that were that the people in the cult, this is what they would say she does to help channel light. She would play sandbox video games on her phone, and that helped her focus, and so she would need money to buy different things for these games, you know, add-ons and microtransactions. Microtransactions. And she also getting food whenever she needed it, and so she needed money for, you know, like Uber Eats and stuff. And so that was kind of their mission. Like whenever mom has a hankering for whatever, whatever, you know, we need to be able to Uber it in, so we need money to be able to buy her food whenever she wants food. And whenever she's playing these games, if she needs to do a microtransaction or whatever, she needs to have the money to be able to do that. And oh the and the reason is so that she can focus on channeling light to fight the cabal.

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Right. So I have a whole lot of notes here, and there's so much I can't, I'm not gonna try to be able to find it right now, but it's like somewhere in there it says that she charges uh like a med they called it like a medical procedure where she would remotely work on your spirit. Yeah. For$88, she can remotely work on your spirit.

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Yeah, yeah. Uh I think she called it, I think it was called spiritual surgery. Yeah. Spirit surgery or whatever. And yeah, yeah. You pay the money, and then she goes in and fixes your spiritual problems with her spiritual scapel.

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Spiritual scapel.

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And that's it, okay. This is the thing. Like, we're we're just dropping these random little nuggets from you know, doing the research on this stuff. And it all sounds silly and wacky, but because it is it is coming back around to it, dude. Like that at one point I think they had like 25 people on their compound who believed in this, yeah. And then dozens of others who were donating money. Yeah, on to the live streams. To live streams and stuff. And so I don't know, dude. It it to me, as a Christian, it screams humanity is always looking for a God to worship.

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Yeah, anything they can do to defy the true one living God.

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I wouldn't even put it that way. I would just say that we were created to worship God, and when we're and when people are in darkness or born into darkness or living in darkness, or even if they've denied God and they turn to darkness, they cannot escape the reality of they have to worship something because it's a part of their DNA, like they created us to worship. And so when we take our worship and we don't direct it towards the creator of the universe, the one true living God who in the book of Isaiah says, I know of no other God, I am the only one, then and we worship these false idols, we can get manipulated really easy. You know, I look at all these other religions out there, and and you know, you could say some things in Christianity is kind of bizarre, but some of the stuff that is concocted in these other religions to be like this is what you have to do to be pious and religious and good and upstanding and whatever, whatever, whatever. It's like, man, I would not do that. You know it that just seems that just seems like it's benefiting someone else, um, and it's not improving my life in any way. And then we come around as a Christian, it's like, hey, it's not about like your life improving, it's about your eternity and who you're gonna be with, the creator who created you, or totally separate from him. Like you want to be in. I think we all want truth. We all want to exist in the truth.

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And it's like you just kind of get sucked into something that isn't the truth, and the way these things are designed is that there everything is gonna tell you no, we're the the truth.

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Well, and that's the problem with the progressive movement in America, which the progressive church is not helpful at all. Because they are I mean, they slander the name of Jesus Christ. Um, and there will be there will be a reckoning for that one day, unless they repent. But the the concept of my truth is so accepted today in America that all these different people are following whatever suits their fancy. I mean, that's a f that's an entire phrase, right? Follow your bliss. Like well, and but this is what I was getting at is because their argument can be you can confront them about their false belief and bring evidence and speak truth and have a solid logical argument against why what against what they're doing. And the response can be, and this will be acceptable to a large group of people, the response will be is well, that's not my truth. Right. This is my truth, and it's like, okay, but your truth doesn't matter. The truth is what matters, right? But our culture has become to where there's there is a very large percentage of the people that exist in our country. It's not about the truth, it's about each individual's truth. We were joking around earlier, but there's a Bible verse in Judges. Actually, it's mentioned in Judges, I think, two to three different times. But the way it goes is there was no king in the land in those days, and so each man did according to what he thought was right. Meaning like there was no unity, and there was no there was no one to uphold the law to enforce it, and so whatever suited their fancy is what they would do, and that's what led into idolatry and worshiping of other spirits and entities and not God. And here we are today in America where it's not about the truth, it's about my truth. You know, we're not willing to we're not willing to acknowledge that Christ is our king and he's on the throne ruling. And so when we reject him as king, it's each man for it's every man for himself. And that's where we get to this cult. The Mother God cult, love is one cult. This lady was convinced that she is God incarnate.

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Yeah, and that she believed and promoted promoted that she is you know billions of years old, and she's just been reincarnated over and over and over and over, and that one of those reincarnations happens to be Jesus. Yep.

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And and so yeah, she comes up with this entire spiel on who she is, what she's doing, and how you can help her accomplish whatever she's trying to do.

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Yes, you donating is you're helping everybody by helping me type thing.

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Yep. And some of the stuff, like for the people on the compound that were the devout followers.

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Mm-hmm. It was it's it's cult borderline abuse. I mean, not even borderline, it was abuse.

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Yeah, they they were basically told like to further their enlightenment, they had to decrease the amount of hours they would sleep. So they could only sleep, I think it was like two to three hours. Jeez. And uh they had to, depending on the day, determined what colors they could wear.

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Well, uh there's that quote of like on Fridays we wear pink.

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Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly like that. It's just like that. But um, there's one thing where basically if another woman in the community was being s saucy or sassy, and Amy didn't like it, she claimed that that person had a Jezebel spirit or a whore or a I think they said whore, a whore spirit, harlot spirit. I can't remember what term they used, but it was along those lines. It was like a harlot horror, whatever. Uh and so she would have to go out into this designated area where there's just a tent and stay there until she was called back by Amy.

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Right.

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Yeah, until Amy determines when she's she's a he stopped being sh this spirit of Jezebel has left her or whatever they called it. And dude, there's I mean, talking about abuse, there was a story. This guy he bought into this hook, line, and sinker, left his family, like just disappeared. They thought he was like kidnapped or whatever.

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Yeah.

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He disappears, gives a bunch of money to this group to join and be a part of it, and they take him on a hike with them and they leave him out there in the wilderness.

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Yeah.

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They abandon him there because his his spiritual vibe was not clicking with what they were doing, and so they just left him to die. Jeez. And luckily he was found, and this is Colorado, so it's like they hiked out somewhere and he got stranded in some sort of like not a good place to be. Not a good place to be. And he's found a couple of days later. He's naked, he's dehydrated, and afraid. He's dehydrated, and uh it's he's just not in good shape. And it's all because of these people. So, yeah, it's pretty.

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So let's kind of get into what she was doing on these streams and what because it was all like, like you said, new age, herbal, you know, doctrine stuff. Yeah. Uh she was she claimed that she was again a reincarnation of this great deity that's beyond God, that's beyond Jesus. Yep. And she claimed that, you know, I will be resurrected up into the sky or whatever, right? But they needed to purify her body, so she was, I don't remember what it's called, but she was constantly drinking what they claimed to be mess medicine, but it was pretty much pure silver. Jeez. And she was constantly, constantly, you know, drinking this stuff.

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Yeah.

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And it just so you know, it's it's poison.

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Yeah.

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Pure silver. Pure silver. And it was slowly turning her the color blue. Jeez.

SPEAKER_04: 34:38

Da ba daba die.

SPEAKER_02: 34:39

I baba da ba ba die. Yeah. I didn't know that part. That's nasty. And the uh the reason why that sticks with me is because when they find her body, it was just a pure nasty blue. And that's why it was so shocking to see. What am I looking at, you know? Yeah, geez.

SPEAKER_04: 35:02

She um, some of the incarnations we mentioned, Jesus. She also said that she was Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, and Marilyn Monroe.

SPEAKER_02: 35:12

Yep. She also said that she would divinely speak with people of like of the past. And like one of those people she claimed she divinely talked to was Donald Trump. Even though he's not like it's it's so wacky, dude. Yeah. Sorry if I'm like half listening. I'm building a Lego.

SPEAKER_04: 35:32

I don't know if Yeah, he's building his go-kart for Mario Kart. Um she believed that she was a 19 billion year-old being who birthed all creation, hence the mother god deal. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know too much of I don't rightly know. Oh damn. Um what else to say about this other than like this this is bizarre and crazy to me, and it's kind of fallen apart. Like when she died, she died in 2021. And basically the the group, the cult, they split into different groups.

SPEAKER_02: 36:21

So what's crazy here, right, is that they she had a guy managing her money. Yes. All the money tied to this was in this guy's name. Yeah. And so they saw that she was dying, and so they're like, oh, the time is soon for her resurrection.

SPEAKER_00: 36:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 36:40

So they like took her uh no, I think she no, they took her somewhere else, she died, and then they kept her body taking it places. Yeah. So the guy who was in charge of the money, they ended up back at their compound, but the the he called the police on them on on the cult. He had already kind of left. Yeah. But he still had like he was still there, but not really there. There's like this weird in-between where he was like, he was there for the money. He didn't really believe it, but he saw a monetary gain opportunity. Yeah. He called the police on them and took all their money and left.

SPEAKER_04: 37:18

I think that was, I can't remember his name, but I think he is like, it's he's he's a known con artist. And this kind of just this whole thing with the cult solidified that. But um, I also think he was one of the father gods at one point.

SPEAKER_02: 37:36

Yeah, uh he was upset that he lost his uh father god title. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 37:41

Yeah, exactly. But the uh yeah, they broke in the the most recent father god character whose name was Jason Castillo.

SPEAKER_02: 37:52

Derulo.

SPEAKER_04: 37:56

They uh he he ended up being like kind of a really abusive guy.

SPEAKER_02: 38:01

Yeah, like one of the last guys. He he's the one who really like sucked himself into this illusion in these delusions. Yep. There is a part in it because like all this is real footage in this documentary because they were documenting everything and filming everything.

SPEAKER_04: 38:17

Yeah, they filmed everything, and she would get on live streams, and some of it would be like well put together, well, I can do air quotes, somewhat put together, and some of it was just her just ranting, talking and ranting. There's one video of her abusing a cat on the screen, she's like not like super bad, she's not like punching it in the face, but she is abusing it, and like there's things where there's a kid, like a little toddler, and this is what I hate the most, dude. Yeah, when you've got these cults and there's children involved, yeah, like, but she basically is I guess playing with this child, and then tells whoever's child it is, she tells them to come get them. She says, Lock that kid up in because the kid started getting fussy. She's like, Lock that kid up in the closet until it stops crying, until it starts and the dude, like, they're not ignoring her, they're doing what she tells them to do. Yeah. Because she's their god.

SPEAKER_02: 39:23

Right.

SPEAKER_04: 39:23

And that's that's what angers me is people get into these cults, and no matter how outlandish the instruction is, they'll follow it. Yeah, because that's but because this lady was crazy, this Amy lady was crazy, a lot of their followers were kind of a cycling in and out constantly. Like people were leaving because they were like, okay, this is obviously a cult.

SPEAKER_01: 39:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 39:54

And so they would and then people come.

SPEAKER_02: 39:56

At least the way they talked about it in the documentary, there was she had like a few devout who were there the whole time. Yeah. But then, like, like you said, so many people cycling through because they were being abused.

SPEAKER_04: 40:09

The being abused, taken advantage of both emotionally, spiritually, and financially.

SPEAKER_01: 40:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 40:17

That's the thing is people would come in and they'd be like, you gotta do all this, that, and the other, and then they'd do all this stuff, and then all that would happen, and then they'd be verbally abused and not a thank you, a yeah, what have you done for me lately type attitude.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 40:32

Sorry. I'm yawning intentionally in the mic to make everyone else yawn. I hope you all yawned. We're all tired little boys and girls out here.

SPEAKER_03: 40:40

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_04: 40:42

Yeah, but this is something that I think you find regularly in cults and unfortunately in different churches too. Because there's a lot of guys out there who get into church business not because they want to glorify God and and raise up disciples, because they see a financial uh benefit benefit to it. And so that's what they're after. They're after the financial benefit, and so you see just abuse run rampant and tucked under the rug. You know, there's so many different alleged stories and and accusations of like Kenneth Copeland, you know, and and the bishop guy, I can't remember his name. Um Benny Hinn, who knows? Um yeah, Benny Hinn. There's a lot of accusations with Benny Hinn. But there's so many different people that they get power within this religious institution and it corrupts them. Rather them, rather than them being humble and humbling themselves before the Lord, they build themselves, they puff themselves up. And so we as Christians, we have to acknowledge that that is a stumbling block for leaders. It's not just in the cults, these crazy, far out there ideas. It's not just in the other religions, it's in it's in our faith system as well. Yeah. So we've got to be, and that's why it's all about humility. And that's why Jesus tells his disciples, it's not about who's first. It's who's the least of these. The first shall be last and the last shall be first. So he who builds himself up cannot expect some to not cannot expect to be built up even more when Christ returns and when he enters into the kingdom of heaven. Like God cherishes a humble and contrite heart. And I think that we need to acknowledge that like God's aware of our sin. Every single sin that we have committed, we're we're committing and we're going to commit. And so for us to puff ourselves up and to build ourselves up in this way and act like it's a benefit to God is only being is it's only it's pride, it's not righteousness. And you know, true righteousness will be revealed through our humility and our love for others, not our pride in ourselves and our own accomplishments. Because Paul says, My righteousness is like filthy rags. Right. And like filth that he's talking about is like excrement filth, like that kind of filthy rags. That's what his righteousness is when when put before a holy, righteous God. So to to take uh pride and and be confident in our righteousness, God's not going to be impressed. But if we humble ourselves and we wear the righteousness of Christ, then we will be we'll be considered holy before God, not because of what we've done, but because we're wearing the righteousness of Christ, and we're not trying to wear our own righteousness. Does that make sense? Yeah, of course it does. And so that's the thing with these cults, okay? That's what I wanted to get into is it's all about my goodness and and my standard of good, and this is what I say is good, and it's all about me, me, me. And and the people that get into this, what can I get out of this? What can I do with this? How can this benefit me? All this, that, and the other. And when it's not working out for them, you know, they leave, or or it falls apart, or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02: 44:53

So it's talking about wanting to leave. There is a moment in it. Again, she's fully believing her own lie at this point, right? Yeah. But she's also in a lot of pain. Yeah. So there's a part where she starts saying in the show, I was lying. I I'm uh it's over. Take to me, take me to a hospital. Please help me, please help me. There is a moment in that.

SPEAKER_04: 45:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 45:15

And they take her and they say, No, you're just being delusional. That's your physical body. So all these people that she dragged into this illusion is now keeping her down, holding her down into this illusion, and it's what gets her killed by the end of it.

SPEAKER_04: 45:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 45:28

It's so sad.

SPEAKER_04: 45:30

Yeah, that's rough. Um going back to righteousness, armor of God, breastplate of righteousness. The breastplate's what covers all your vital organs. It's what the main portion of your clothing when it comes to armament in the ancient world. Uh, so you know, take that and and put it this way is it's not our righteousness, it's the righteousness of Christ. And when we don it, when we wear it, right, we are considered righteous, and it protects us from the enemy. It's that extra layer of protection that holds everything vital safe. So that's what we need to be aware of. It's not our works. You know, that's what we believe as Christians. It's not by our works that we're saved, but it's by our faith. Through it's it's God's grace through faith that we are saved. So whereas with the Love is One cult, it's about giving me giving Amy whatever she needs to be able to get to the point of enlightenment.

SPEAKER_02: 46:37

And I really fully believe that it started out as a like all cults, it started out as a way to gain something, right? For her, she it was to have a gain on her worldly desires. And then she slowly started to believe this lie that she was in, and it's and it gets her killed.

SPEAKER_04: 47:00

Yeah, and and going back to that at the beginning in 2007 is when she leaves her family and her job and gets into this. So before that, she was living a normal, well, somewhat normal life. So somewhere along the way, she starts getting deceived and manipulated into stepping into this new agey existence. So, you know, it's not like it just out of nowhere a bleep, and she just was like, you know what? I'm God. I'm gonna go start a following. No, over time, she it was half truth after half truth, faults build up, lies, deception to get her to the point to where she's willing to run away from her entire life, her responsibilities, the ones who've loved her and who she's supposed to love, she leaves them. Yeah. And she chases after this promise of whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 48:02

Mind you, too, like something that they go over in the documentary is that her family is trying to save her. Like they know where she's at, and they're like, but like the cult and her, you know, her herself is all just declining any kind of interaction with an outside person.

SPEAKER_04: 48:23

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty sad. But this is, I mean, this has gotten traction because of the documentation that they've done as a group, which has then turned into different documentaries. Uh you said HBO did one, I think Vice did one and a couple other people. You can go to YouTube and listen to the video done by Mike Winger. He he covers the Mother God cult in a video. So yeah, but this is just this is out there. Think about the countless different cults that are operating just like this and that potentially are like way worse than this, that are still in existence.

SPEAKER_02: 49:14

Hold on, I'm gonna stop you real quick. Bag to baby.

SPEAKER_04: 49:22

But you know, this is a thing. Continue. This is unfortunately a consistency with cults where the leader ends up dying. And then some their legacy is then continued on through their followers. Either the legacy is continued on or the the entire thing falls apart.

SPEAKER_02: 49:53

Which it sounds like even though it's to my understanding, they are still around to some small capacity.

SPEAKER_04: 49:59

Yeah, it's some to some extent they're still around, but it doesn't have the traction that it had, and it's most likely and one would argue it didn't really have that much traction to begin with.

SPEAKER_02: 50:10

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 50:10

You could you could argue that. I mean, you could because I had no idea what it was. Uh yeah. But got him. Boom, roasted. Boom, roasted. So yeah. The mother god cult, love has won cult. Also known as also known as the LHW. Uh Love Has Won. I know it, I know what it is for, but it sounds like they're really pushing hard to be like uh a low a label. Oh yeah. LDS. LDS. Latter-day Saints. Oh man. Talking about changing the gay goalpost, Latter-day Saints.

SPEAKER_02: 50:59

Am I right? It is. It's just I don't know. It's just so disturbing to me just how they're how and it's so true how we can it's so dangerous to get away from God.

SPEAKER_01: 51:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 51:14

In so many ways. But it's just like for her, even she realized how wrong she was, but it was too late for her because of how she built herself up and surrounded herself with these people. You know what I mean? Be careful who you surround yourself around, because you m and I think that would be a good takeaway from this is just because you believe something, yeah, doesn't mean the people around you believe it. Yeah. And they could influence you as much as you could influence them.

SPEAKER_04: 51:43

Yeah. Well, and that's what the you know, true love, like we we kind of harp on this a bit, and it's a stark contrast to the alphabet community and the new age groups. But love is not about totally accepting everything about somebody and saying there's nothing wrong with them. Love is about knowing, caring enough about somebody to do what's right for them and to and to help them do the right thing.

SPEAKER_02: 52:16

It is more hateful to allow somebody harm and allow them to do what they want to do just because it's labeled as, oh, you're hateful for not letting them be hurtful to themselves.

SPEAKER_04: 52:32

Yeah. It seems like from what you're talking about with like her last days, um, it seems like she was a manipulator who surrounded herself, ended up surrounding herself with other manipulators. Yeah. And so when it came to the point where it's like, you know, as the community, they'll be like, Oh, yeah, we love Mother God and she loves us, and this, that, and the other. But then when it's like, I'm dying, I need to go to a hospital, they were like, Oh no, no, no, no. You don't need to go to a hospital. This is a part of the part of this is your test. Yeah, this is your holy like you're above hospitals because you're not human, you're Mother God. You know, and so it was more for them, it was more important for her to fulfill their religious beliefs than for her to be healthy.

SPEAKER_02: 53:24

Right. You know, and and she paid for the price for it at the end of it all. Unfortunately. Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_04: 53:30

And that's the hard thing, is because you know, she died in this. Like no one truly knows who's gonna be in heaven 100%. Or we don't truly know everyone that's gonna be in heaven and who's gonna make it and who doesn't, but it's pretty close to say like she probably did not repent and believe in Christ as her Lord and Savior.

SPEAKER_02: 53:57

Right. So that's what's there's always the possibility that right there at the end, as she's dying, she called out to God and was saved. There's always that chance.

SPEAKER_04: 54:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 54:06

But it's unlikely.

SPEAKER_04: 54:09

But she has that option. But that is that it it's possible, it's unlikely, but it's possible. And that's what's hard about these other belief systems and these cults. And with new age, there's this special thing because it's like they are totally accepting of the a lot of them are totally accepting of Jesus.

SPEAKER_02: 54:28

Yes. And the even this Mother God cult, they're sitting there and they acknowledge that Jesus existed, but it's twisted. Yeah. And it they have to twist it into fitting into their puzzle.

SPEAKER_04: 54:42

Well, it's they they incorporate Jesus into it. It's not just Jesus, and that's the thing with Christians. We have to make sure that it's all Jesus. We can't incorporate things that Christ himself did not incorporate into his own religion, into his own belief system. And so one would say the truth. The truth. But yeah, we can't be like this love is one cult and say, yeah, Jesus is good, let's put him in there.

SPEAKER_02: 55:13

And also a better way of saying it, we cannot pick and choose what we believe out of the Bible.

SPEAKER_04: 55:18

Correct. The Bible is what it is, and we have to conform to what it teaches. It's all or nothing. Not make the Bible say what we want it to say. Which is an argument could be made.

SPEAKER_02: 55:30

That's where most of these cult-like groups Yeah, where they uh come from is is they're choosing to have things in it that they like and take out the things they don't like. They want a religion, they want a relationship with God, but not all in.

SPEAKER_04: 55:47

Which is what the progressive church does. They take the parts about Jesus that they like, and they get rid of the parts that they don't like. And that's how you get people who show up to these churches and they're like, oh no, I'm an atheist, I'm just here for the community. Right. Like I don't even believe in the existence of a God.

SPEAKER_02: 56:07

But I like that there's people I want a group of people to get together with, but I don't believe what you believe.

SPEAKER_04: 56:12

I I need community to be sane and to not give into depression. But I don't want to believe in God. And the progressive church is like, oh, your truth is your truth. We love you. You know, God is just a divine butler, anyways. He's just here to serve and wait on you.

SPEAKER_02: 56:30

Yeah, you're it's it's all about you.

SPEAKER_04: 56:33

So, yeah, and it's not. The truth is it's all about Jesus. 100%. I'm bringing that back. Take that, progressive pastors and people from the Love is One cult.

SPEAKER_02: 56:48

That's right. Sin will lose. Not love is one, sin will lose.

SPEAKER_03: 56:52

Yeah. Because the gates of hell will not withstand us. We will beat them down and beat the crap out of them. Get 'em.

SPEAKER_04: 57:02

Um, yeah. So, guys, let us know what what's the next what other cult do you want us to talk about?

SPEAKER_02: 57:11

Yeah, what should we talk about? Should we talk about the doomsday people? The doomsday people, the preppers? Is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_04: 57:19

I think some are preppers, but some people believe it like that uh basically to usher in Christ, they have to do all the preparation stuff to usher in the apocalypse. Oh. So that's weird. Yeah, yeah. There's yeah, it's uh yeah. Or something else, you know, maybe we should talk about the Progressive Church or maybe we should talk about Islam. I don't know. I feel like that's a really big bear to tackle.

SPEAKER_02: 57:55

You know who could tackle the bear? Jesus. Yes. I was gonna say bear grills.

SPEAKER_04: 58:00

Yeah, who apparently is a Christian.

SPEAKER_02: 58:04

Bear Grylls, if you are listening to the Saints That Serve podcast, we would love to have you on as a guest. Yeah. Yes. So uh reach out to us at the SaintsThatserve at gmail.com. And if you're listening and you're not Bear Grylls, but you are somebody who would like to be on the show, reach out to us at Saints that serve at Gmail. I was trying to find some sort of joke there, like email bear grills and let him know to come to the show. If you want to be on the show, tell Bear Grills he has to be on first. We are not having any other guest until Bear Grills is on the show. That's right. And I want to have a because we're winding down the episode. Yeah. I want to have a quick little let me apologize segment. Good. Because you need to. I do. I need to apologize for uh guys. I'm I'm really sorry. I really messed up. I made a promise.

SPEAKER_04: 59:02

I thought you were about to say I really messed up the toilet.

SPEAKER_02: 59:06

Well, the joke's on you as your toilet. Nasty!

SPEAKER_01: 59:10

You nasty boy. Nasty little boy.

SPEAKER_02: 59:13

Uh, but I um I made a commitment to all of you that I would get this Lego finished by the end of this episode. And you're not. And I'm not done. I'm gonna uh set everything here to the side. I want to uh I'm gonna get a picture of it and show you what I finished. It's you it looks like a cart. Yeah. What would you describe that as? I would say that that is a Mario hovercraft. Hovercraft without wheels. Well, that's what a hovercraft doesn't have. Well, the in the Mario Kart 8 game, your cars become hovercraft and the wheels kind of flip on their side. Oh, okay. So they're kind of like the the hub in the car becomes like pushing as a hovercraft. So great game.

SPEAKER_04: 59:57

Totally bouncing off Mario. You see the release.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:00

The trailer for Mario Galaxy Super Mario Galaxy movie? Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Did you see who they've got playing Rosalina?

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:08

No.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:09

Bree Larson.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:10

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:11

Maybe it won't do so. No, and the other, the guy playing Bowser Jr. I've never heard of this guy. And they're like, oh, the famous. And I'm like, I don't even know who this guy is.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:23

Oh, the infamous guy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:27

All right, hold on. Let me. Yes. As we wind down, please tell us this guy's name and what he's been in.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:36

Mario.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:36

It'll give me some more chance to uh get some more Lego pieces put together. More chance?

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:43

What's the name of Bowser's son?

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:48

Bowser Jr.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:49

Oh, Bowser Jr.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:51

I did not know that Keegan Michael played Toad.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:56

Yeah, Keegan Michael Key. That's crazy. I have a toad right here.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:00

No, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:02

I built him. Yeah, I see that. Yep. Good job. Yeah, I built a little toad. It was part of the instructions. Ooh. What? Nothing. Oh.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:14

I'm trying to find more than just the main cast. The main people that were in the first one.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:21

Name see here. Let's see here.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:27

I'm really looking forward to this movie.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:29

They kind of made her look like Brie Larson and some degree. That's weird. They didn't do that with uh Princess Peach. She doesn't look anything like Anya Taylor Joy. Anya? Anya. Anna, Anna. Anya business. Yeah, the guy who's supposed to be Bowser. Bowser Jr., Benny Zafdia. Yafda. Zephania.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:57

And we're gonna have like a whole lot of Benny Zafdia fans come at us like, you don't know Benny? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:03

How could you?

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:05

No, the only Benny I know is Benny Hen, and I want to not know him.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:08

He was an Oppenheimer.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:10

Yes. Yes. Good times, whatever that is.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:16

Good times. I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:20

Yeah. Well, enough of that. Enough of that. That's yeah, I'll still go out until next year and I'll still go see it, but we got a trailer for it, so.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:28

Yeah. All right. Well, guys, we love you. Thanks for listening.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:34

Do you want my quick review of Predator Badlands before we go?

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:38

No.

unknown: 1:02:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:39

Because I still want to watch it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:42

Okay, that's fine.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:44

Christ is Lord.

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In the kingdom is now. We are the saints that serve.