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Welcome to the Saints that Serve, podcast where, each week, your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith, culture and the unknown.

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Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now. We are the Saints that Serve.

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Welcome to the Saints that Serve podcast.

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Yeah, boy that Serve Podcast, yeah boy, that is the Saints that Serve Podcast. Yeah, boy.

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Where, each week, your host. No, I'm just kidding, no, but we Dive into the faith, culture and the unknown. This is fun because this is episode 50, baby, that's right Over the hill, in a virtual sense, for the podcast, not us. We're still young and spry, not for much longer. I'm looking forward to my sweet 16.

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Your sweet 16?.

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Yeah, in two years?

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What 16th century? I don't know. I'm still feeling it.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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Oh my gosh.

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No, but yeah, we made a commitment to try and do a video live stream by episode 50. And let's just be honest, guys, we said that and we were like man, life is really busy.

Speaker 1: 1:38

Life is busy and hard and hard. We've had a lot. We made a lot of promises by 50 and we were not able to keep them.

Speaker 2: 1:46

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:47

So we're just going to say moving forward, lord willing, rather than we're going to, we're just going to say hey, when we have something that is concrete and it is for sure going to happen, we will let you know, instead of making promises. Yeah.

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I mean, we've got a couple of live streams that have been recorded and they're on our YouTube page, and so we'll go right into that. You can follow us on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Threads X, anywhere you get your podcasts. You can also follow or download there.

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Yeah, facebook Instagram for our news and updates as well, and stay tuned for our newsletter.

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No, I'm not going to promise that, no, but the big thing that we got coming up is episode 52.

Speaker 1: 2:37

I wanted to talk about that. So typically podcasts have a episode 50, big deal over the hill kind of thing. That's not going to be us this one. Yeah, no, because our one-year anniversary Is in two weeks Is in two weeks and that I'm pretty sure it's on the day as well that the episode comes out. Mm-hmm Is, episode 52 is our one-year anniversary, so that's going to be our big anniversary stream. Oh, not stream, sorry episode, Episode.

Speaker 2: 3:08

But we will have guests on and we'll kind of do a like look back on the year and talk about our favorite things and strap in because it's going to be a long one. Yeah, yeah, It'll be a long form. So, yeah, make sure you tune in for that episode 52. And then every Friday we pray for you. So if you need prayer for anything, please reach out to us. You can message us, you can use the link at the bottom of the episode description. Gotcha on that one. There we go. Or you can email us at saintsatserve at gmailcom. And yeah, that's pretty much it for announcements and intros and all that stuff. So, but we did have a comment.

Speaker 1: 3:52

Yes.

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So I'm not going to I'm not going to read it, but I want to shout out to Ashley virtual high five. Just did it just now for guessing correctly Zoolander is the movie.

Speaker 1: 4:06

I got the black lung pop.

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Mm-hmm, that is from Zoolander. And then we had some comments from a YouTuber called ResLight.

Speaker 1: 4:18

Mm-hmm, and this is on the Jehovah's Witness episode.

Speaker 2: 4:22

Yes, so episode 49.

Speaker 1: 4:24

No Episode 48. 48.

Speaker 2: 4:25

Yeah, that's what I was thinking on the Jehovah's Witness episode. Yes, so episode 49. Episode 48. 48, yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:30

That's what I was thinking, because last week's episode was the Flat Earther versus Round Earther no. That was a joke, guys. Calm down. The New Earth versus Old Earth, yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:41

Yeah, fun conversation. I actually talked with Sam on the phone today yeah I was like dude, don't listen to episode, he's behind on episodes just like dude, just get 49 because it'll turn your ears. Red because we talk about younger, the older things like oh man um, anyways, red's light. Thanks for commenting. You know this is not like I'm not being mean or trying to jab, but they definitely left us a novel.

Speaker 1: 5:10

Yes.

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For their comments.

Speaker 1: 5:12

It was two comments. And it was only two comments because they ran out of space on the first one and continued what they were saying on the second one.

Speaker 2: 5:22

Yeah, it's kind of a dissertation to say, like Je Jehovah's Witness, the organization today is wrong and bad. But Russell Tays.

Speaker 1: 5:32

Something Tays Russell.

Speaker 2: 5:33

Something. Tays Russell sorry, it's a defense for him because he would disagree with the Jehovah's Witness of today. But yeah, he would disagree with the Jehovah's Witness of today, but yeah. So I didn't really do an in-depth thing, but basically they're saying that the organization Jehovah's Witness is corrupt and wrong and people need to get back to the true Bible study or students of the word, which is what Taze started. So same same, but different, I guess. But yeah, thanks for commenting. I am going to be honest. I will try to look into what your belief is.

Speaker 1: 6:16

But we don't have a rebuttal yet.

Speaker 2: 6:18

I don't have a rebuttal and I don't really know yeah, I don't really know if I need to rebuttal. So there we go. So, anyways, thanks for commenting. Res, light and ashley and um, that's all we've got, so we're gonna go into our main topic. So, tyler, this is your transition into in times. I like trains.

Speaker 1: 6:48

I don't have a horn, so that's the. There we go, the rapture horn yeah, end Times Prophecy.

Speaker 2: 6:58

So for all those out there who are not believers in Jesus Christ and he comes back, everyone will know that he's back and they will have to give an account for why they didn't believe in him. So hope you got that speech ready. Jesus, please no you know that's a little bit of a jest and jab there, but, um, something's coming up in september yeah, I was.

Speaker 1: 7:32

So we're going to kind of talk about the end times but also talk about the I don't know I don't want to really use the word cult because I don't think they're all cults, but really just people, modern day people or just people in general, predicting the end times.

Speaker 2: 7:49

Yeah, the prophetic camps, right, the prophecy predictors, or chasers if you will. They're always producing a prediction for when Christ will be back.

Speaker 1: 8:04

And so this one in a couple of weeks is just the next one yeah, so it's september 23rd and 24th is the feast of trumpets. So what is? Who is claiming this?

Speaker 2: 8:19

it's I don't know who would be the point person, but it's an online speculation that different individuals are putting out there. Okay, so a Facebook group Got it Not even that. No, with the progression of the combination of short content videos and AI people are okay. People are producing content that catches more attention. Yeah, and so what would be? Fringe is now mainstream, and it's because they've got the editing software through AI, to be able to make their content better.

Speaker 2: 9:04

Anybody can make anything nowadays through something like ChatGPT, yeah, so, but yeah, it's no one person, it's a bunch of different individuals, I would say, that are saying, because of these different things that they heard through the echo chamber of the internet market, that they're all putting out their own content with the different similarities and so somebody is out there, one or two people said it.

Speaker 1: 9:33

it gained traction and these people who were creating this content latched onto that because they saw that it was going to gain them more views than normal I.

Speaker 2: 9:42

That's. What I would say is that it's people are realizing that because someone has put a compelling argument out for a prophecy prediction, it will catch traction because this is what it has going. The number one thing it has going for it is this hasn't happened yet. Yeah, could be right, because it hasn't happened yet yeah, all you need is that one.

Speaker 1: 10:08

But what's crazy to me is like okay, so you're right, right, you're, you're right, and here it is. Well, you said september 23rd or 24th or 24th. Here it is september 23rd, 24th, trumpets blow. What did you gain? Like, you know what I mean. I mean praise the Lord, praise the Lord. Yes, I'm talking about in the sense of like, what did this individual gain for being right?

Speaker 2: 10:32

No, yeah, yeah. I don't want to look at it in that light. Like they're just, I mean some of them probably.

Speaker 1: 10:38

Well, the reason I say that is like why even bother making the prediction?

Speaker 2: 10:43

I mean it's a cultural thing for a certain camp of dispensational Christians.

Speaker 1: 10:49

It's just like. What do they get out of it? If they're right, saved or unsaved, like earthly-wise, what do they gain out of it? Obviously, it's eternal salvation, and you know what I mean. Like you get to live forever in heaven or in hell, like right or wrong, but you know what I mean. Like you get to live forever in heaven or in hell, like right or wrong, but you know what I mean. It's just like there is no true value like earthly gain, whether you're right or wrong, because you're not going to run around and say see, I told you, I told you so you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 11:18

Well, right now there is earthly value because the more people that view the videos, right. But I'm saying more views they get.

Speaker 1: 11:26

So their intentions aren't god godly, their intentions is earthly for them, and that's kind of my point is like the only way is to warn, like the real true value is to warn. Hey, uh, this is when it's happening, this is how long you have to get right with God, but in reality we should be doing that anyways Correct, and I think that's what we'll end the episode on and kind of our summary and take.

Speaker 2: 11:53

I do want to give some like positive view to this, because there are definitely people that the reason they're talking about it is because they're excited about it, because it's like, hey, jesus might be coming back in less than a month. Why wouldn't I want to let everybody know and why wouldn't I want to physically express my excitement over that?

Speaker 1: 12:19

And that is a good positive, but we're also talking about the people who are making videos and trying to get clicks and views off of it as well.

Speaker 2: 12:27

yeah, I I can't fully speak for them, but I can only speculate that their intentions more than, or are probably not, god oriented or god centric yeah, maybe it's too muddy of a situation because, you're right, there's definitely people that they're doing a 100% for the increase in popularity of videos, but I think some people they look at their online content less as like I'm going to become big and famous, and more as a moderator of a community for content. That's what I've noticed. Moderator of a community for content that's what I've noticed. Some things like the guy over it. He has zero cares about how well his channel does. It's more about the content that he's putting out is very specific and so it's more so creating a platform for like-minded people to have a dialogue about this stuff.

Speaker 1: 13:24

See, I guess from my point of view of it, it's like I wouldn't okay. First off, we're not going to know. I think that is a key thing that we need to say. It's biblically. It says we do not know the day or the hour when the Lord will return. We don't know.

Speaker 2: 13:41

Matthew 24, just in case anyone was wondering.

Speaker 1: 13:43

Thank you. But if just by some unbiblical miracle, god gave it directly just to me to say, hey, this is the day, this is the hour he told me specifically.

Speaker 2: 13:58

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 13:59

I need you to let everybody know. My form of letting everybody know would not be the internet. I would be going to these churches, I would be going in the streets and I would be saying it like a crazy person, letting everybody know to tell them that way, because I'm sorry, but internet videos will not be believed. I'll disagree, you will Because. Will not be believed. I'll disagree, you will Because. Okay, if you saw a crazy person on there talking about the rapture when we're about to get into how many people have done that, it just seems so unlikely to reach as many people as I could if I was going to them individually and talking to them. Here's the difference.

Speaker 2: 14:43

A 60-second video where someone pitches their idea and someone out on a street corner pitching their idea. I am more likely to listen to the 60-second video all the way through than I'm to give the person on the street corner 60 seconds.

Speaker 1: 14:59

Is that because you are not being confronted face-to-face? Do you feel more comfortable watching that? Because it's not a crazy person in your face, not?

Speaker 2: 15:08

necessarily me personally. My thing is, when I'm out in the public, I'm very mission-focused. I've got this that I'm doing and I'm going to do this, or I'm currently doing this and this is what I'm here for. So just the idea of taking time to just casually open a dialogue with somebody I'm not big on. However, if I'm on my phone and I'm looking at videos, that's the only thing I'm doing. I'm not looking for like a specific video that I just absolutely need to find. Most of the time it's just I'm cruising and so if something has a catch word that catches me, I'll I'll listen to the video.

Speaker 1: 15:45

so yeah, and, and thinking about it right now, it just kind of came to me as, like noah dealt with the exact same thing.

Speaker 1: 15:53

You know, I mean, hey guys, this is happening. Nobody believed him. Well, I guess I have to backpedal a little bit, because it's just like I mean, yeah, I'll get the that I can, but at the end of the day you can only do what you can. You know what I mean. It's not like I'm going to be able to save or inform everybody. So I guess using every single possible avenue of outsourcing that information would be the best bet.

Speaker 2: 16:21

And so I do want to read this. So Matthew 24, starting in verse 36, and this is, you know where you you pulled from. But but concerning that day and hour, no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the son talking about Jesus, but the father only. For as, as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. For as, in those days before the flood, they were eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man. Then two men will be in the field, one will be taken and one left. So it goes on and we'll probably read further on in that, a little bit longer, a little bit later in the episode. But you brought up Noah, so I just wanted to show how much that ties into. You know what we're talking about is. When it truly comes to the final day, it will catch everybody unaware, except those who are prepared for it.

Speaker 2: 17:45

And Noah didn't know the day that it would happen. You know, he just was faithful to the requirements that God gave him. So by faith he built the ark. It took him 150 years. By faith, he trusted the Lord would bring the animals the right amount of each kind, and by faith, he watched God load them onto the ark, including the dinosaurs, including the dinosaurs. And then he and his family got on, they shut it up and it was by his faith the earth flooded. So you know, I think in his mind he probably was like you know, whenever this gets done, god's going to flood the earth. So I need to be faithful and make sure I get this done. I don't think that he was dilly-dallying and like twiddling his thumbs and working on the ark just on the weekends as a passion project, like I think it was. This was what everything, this was what he was doing. He was getting ready for it and it still took him so long to get it done. He was doing, he was getting ready for it and it still took him so long to get it done, but he got it done and it was by faith that he got it done. So you know, that's really the focus that we need to take from it is as believers. We know Christ is coming back and it's by faith that we trust it will be soon, but we truly don't know when it will be.

Speaker 2: 19:07

And so the argument for that, specifically with what's coming up the Feast of Trumpets traditionally the Feast of Trumpets for Israel. When they celebrated it, it was dependent on the moon cycle, so meaning it did not necessarily start on this day of the month, it was whenever the moon changed. That was the initiation of the Feast of Trumpets. So that's where they get the. No one knows the day or the hour, meaning literally, you know it could be either the 23rd or the 24th, because it's solely dependent on whenever the moon changes. So that's the argument there. Another thing that they've got going for them is that this year is a year of Jubilee, which only happens every 40 or 50 years. I'm a little rusty on some of this Old Testament festivals and timeframes and stuff, but this year is a year of Jubilee. And then, seven years ago, in 2017, which wouldn't that be eight years ago this is 2025, right.

Speaker 1: 20:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:28

I don't know why. Then people said seven years ago Anyways, there's a prophecy in Revelation.

Speaker 1: 20:34

I must say, was the end of 20,. What day did?

Speaker 2: 20:37

you say in 20?, september 23rd, 2017. So 2018, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. I guess technically it's a exact seven years. So there you go, 2017, a fulfillment, if you will, of a prophecy in the book of Revelation, in chapter 12.

Speaker 1: 21:10

And this is all their reasoning, correct?

Speaker 2: 21:13

Correct. Fulfillment occurred in an astronomical sense. So in Revelation 17, it talks about, you know, the woman in the wilderness being crowned with, I think it's like the stars or the sun or what have you. Anyways, the way that it's worded I guess I should have read it. I'm sorry, you guys, but the way that it's worded is basically an astronomical event occurs in the heavens or in the night sky and people say it's a fulfillment of that prophecy. And seven years from that fulfillment is when Christ will return, is the argument. So the Feast of Trumpets this year, which is also in the year of a Jubilee and is seven years from this previous potential fulfillment of prophecy, and that's the argument. So I've got a source from an article. Ironically it's from the I don't know why I said ironically but from the VaticanObservatoryorg. So I'm assuming our Catholic friends here. But it says, according to various sources, Where's your chanting soundbite? Oh, I don't.

Speaker 1: 22:27

Oh, I don't have one, sorry, did you get rid?

Speaker 2: 22:27

of it. I think I got rid of it here we go.

Speaker 2: 22:31

I got one yeah, I got this. Do it, lady. According to various sources, especially on the internet, the sky of September 2017 would represent the scene from the 12th chapter of Revelation A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and on her head, a crown of 12 stars. Crown of 12 stars as the sun, moon and certain planets arranged themselves within and around the constellation Virgo. This was supposed to be an unprecedented phenomenon. Christopher Graney analyzes these claims in this post on the Vatican Observatories, the Catholic Astronomer blog. Graney argues that when we have an understanding of the motions of the sun, moon and planets, and of what stars make up a constellation, we see in the sky of September 2017 something that happens every few hundred years and that is of limited interest to astronomers. So it's not like this is a one-time event that never happened and is never happening again.

Speaker 1: 23:57

That's what I was going to. Question is like so why, particularly now, when it's happened before and it's going to happen again?

Speaker 2: 24:05

This is well, but that's the thing is. Allegedly, it seems that this event will happen every couple of hundred years is what Graney is suggesting Now. People who are just in the prophetic movement, specifically in the dispensational camps. They're not necessarily looking back hundreds of years at star documentation.

Speaker 1: 24:30

They're only looking for what happened recently.

Speaker 2: 24:32

They're looking for recent events or potential events to slap a end times prophecy on, because that's what they're looking for.

Speaker 1: 24:42

They're looking for signs, they're looking for, they're looking for signs, enough evidence to stake their claim, but not fully supporting it all the way well, yeah, because the way I would word it is, their claim is christ is coming back.

Speaker 2: 24:58

They're trying to find evidence beyond the creation of man to point to christ's return. So, like it would take a lot to be able to say like these astronomical events occurred, also this social whatever, whatever happened in the middle east, also this whatever. So it's a bunch of different things that are coincidentally happening all in one go and they're saying it's not coincidence, it is the ushering in of Christ. So but a argument to that is that in 2017, on September 23rd, was also an end times prediction. It was also an end times prediction.

Speaker 1: 25:48

People were predicting that the 23rd of September in 2017 was going to be when Christ returned, because it was a feast of trumpets. Yeah, that was the feast of trumpets. And now they're saying, oh no, that was the beginning, and now here's the end of the feast of trumpets.

Speaker 2: 25:56

Yeah, so there's an article. We'll post the link to the article. It's from Answers in Genesis Answering Genesis. The article he's addressing the response. He's responding to the different guys in prophecy that are saying like, hey, this is the end times, but he waited a month 23rd to write the article to address their prophecies, to really drive home the point of like, hey, they're saying a lot and they're acting like it is from God, but it is obviously not from God, because everything that they said did not occur, and so that's the argument. And so that's the argument. In 2017, one of the big guys that was promoting the idea that Christ was coming back on September 23rd 2017 was Mark Blitz. So that's something to keep in mind when you hear about end times, prophecies, saying when Jesus is coming back, like giving a day and a time. Just remember that we've been doing it for 2000 years and we I mean I'm, I'm of the mind, I hope. So I hope you're right.

Speaker 1: 27:19

I would be nice. Yeah, that's what's crazy about this is we're not sitting here saying you're, you're dumb or idiots. It's just like we're just saying that you're wrong, but we're also hopeful as well, like, yeah, let's go, let's go, let's do it 23rd or 24th. Yeah, but there's been so many times before whale is wrong, so so many times that's like, yeah, okay you're probably wrong, you know well.

Speaker 2: 27:48

That's the thing is. You got to be careful, because if it's not from the lord, like if the lord is not instructing you to prophesy, because here's, here's. The thing is. This is where I get a little frustrated. These guys are are not saying I prophesy, they're saying my prediction will be, and then they'll say all this stuff and it's like, okay, that's great, but you're really acting in a prophetic sense and you're expecting people to take your word as gospel because of your compelling evidence.

Speaker 1: 28:20

Here's the thing of your compelling evidence. Oh, yeah, here's the thing it's like I guess they say that, oh, I'm only predicting, so that, oh, I guess my prediction was wrong, and it doesn't fall back on them as hard when they're wrong. Yeah, or it doesn't happen.

Speaker 2: 28:33

Yeah, because we talked about Mormonism, you know, a couple episodes ago and about how Joseph Smith he claimed to be a prophet from God and the Mormons yeah, the Latter-day Saints to this day will defend that. They will say you've got to listen to Joseph Smith because he is God's prophet, he's a prophet from the Lord. But then it's like yeah, but we have documentation of his life and how many prophecies he made and how many of them did not come true. And that's a sheer sign of when someone is not a prophet of the Lord is when they make a prophecy and it does not come true, then the Lord, it's not from God, right? So prophets in the Bible there's evidence to show there are guys who claim to be prophets, who get it right sometimes, but then they also get it wrong.

Speaker 2: 29:33

So in the book of Jeremiah there's an example of that. Jeremiah brings a prophecy of destruction over Israel and says that God's going to judge you and he's going to take you out of the land. And then another prophet stands up in the room of the king, in the throne room of the king, and he prophesies the opposite of what Jeremiah prophesies. And it's like no, everything's going to be great, we're going to be great. It's all going to be great. And then obviously, everyone.

Speaker 1: 29:56

I'm paraphrasing this is not John reading word for word from the Bible currently.

Speaker 2: 30:02

Yeah, but then Jeremiah gives a prophecy over that prophet's life and says a year from today you're going to die for misrepresenting God. And sure enough, a year from that time that prophet dies. And the Bible includes that in the book of Jeremiah to show that there are guys who claim to be prophets and they get things right because they're able, because they're taken Like. If they get everything wrong, no one's going to take them seriously.

Speaker 1: 30:31

Well, here's the thing. Like, okay, these people over here right now, on 23rd, 24th, right, predicting that's end times? Yeah, I'm, I'm predicting that it's not going to happen. And when I'm right, am I a prophet? You know what I mean. Like that's what it sounds like is like that Jeremiah stands up and says this is what's going to happen, and the guy says no opposite, somebody's going to be right.

Speaker 2: 30:56

Well, but the reason that it's in the book of Jeremiah is because everyone liked the prophecy of the guy. The book of Jeremiah is because everyone liked the prophecy of the guy and so they were excited with him and they cursed Jeremiah, which fulfills what God tells Jeremiah in the beginning of the book. He's like you're going to be my prophet and no one's going to believe you in order for my judgment to come. And so Jeremiah is like I've got Jeremiah's got a long prophetic ministry and it's just sucks, because he's out here warning everybody, giving the prophecies of the Lord to everyone, and they're coming true, and nobody's believing him and nobody's turning or repenting or anything. And so that's why they call Jeremiah the weeping prophet, because he's just so broken over the reality of he's speaking truth and everyone's choosing to reject it. And it's coming true. And so that's the thing is, it's he's.

Speaker 2: 31:59

You know, prophets of God will speak the truth, but people will either listen to it or reject it, and it comes down to what they want to hear. Like if you want to hear this, then you'll listen. If you don't want to hear it, you'll come up with excuses or examples. You know and I think that's where I'm at is. I've become a little jaded because just of the obsessive behavior of the prophetic camp.

Speaker 2: 32:24

They're so consumed with trying to predict the day that Jesus will return. And, you know, maybe I should be that way too, but I have a hard time with it.

Speaker 1: 32:36

I was going to say it could almost be a distraction, where you're so focused on trying to predict when it's going to happen that you're not preparing for when it does happen.

Speaker 2: 32:47

Yeah, and that's my thing is. I think that what we need to take away from it as believers is not searching the scripture to figure out the exact day that Christ will return. We should search the scriptures to try and figure out how we can live like every day will be the day he will return. We should search the scriptures to try and figure out how we can live like every day will be the day he will return. You know, because we should be ushering in the return of Christ. Some people will be in the camp of that. We have no ability whatsoever to do anything to usher in the return of Christ, and that's probably true. However, we're called to go out and make disciples and proclaim the good news to all nations, and that has not happened yet. Like, there are still thousands of people, millions of people, that have never heard the gospel. So what are we doing? Like, why are we sitting here making YouTube videos and TikTok and, essentially, the final page of the book, right?

Speaker 1: 33:50

Yeah, it's really not, but you know what I mean. Just like you're ruining the ending with no lead up to why this is happening.

Speaker 2: 33:57

Yes, I had the verse. I got to find it, so you keep talking while I look for it.

Speaker 1: 34:02

Do you want to talk about some of these groups and their predictions? Yes, yes, the first one I've got here is the Miller. I don't know if it's Millerites or Miller. Millie writes, but William Miller calculated Christ's return between 1843 and 1844 using Daniel 8.14. Okay, and when it didn't happen, he had tens of thousands of people prepared and leading to what they called the great disappointment, when nothing happened, dang. So this dude just got all these people hyped up with it, right, tens of thousands.

Speaker 2: 34:46

And he based it on the Daniel 8.14. Yeah, this is the verse it says. And he said unto me, unto 2,300 days, then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. That's the verse, Daniel 8.14.

Speaker 1: 35:00

So, okay, I'm curious to hear what this guy was very specifically saying.

Speaker 2: 35:04

Yeah, I want to hear the argument because the verse I'm just I don't know it's way like I need the context.

Speaker 1: 35:11

Anytime there's numbers in the Bible, people somehow try to correlate it to a date, and that's when it's going to happen. Jehovah's Witnesses got it wrong on three different occasions.

Speaker 2: 35:24

Well, but they didn't get it wrong, because Christ did come back in 1914. He just came back in a spiritual, private sense.

Speaker 1: 35:31

Oh right, right, right, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, but yeah, like you said, 1914, they predicted Armageddon reinterpreted as Christ's invisible enthronement. Armageddon reinterpreted as Christ's invisible enthronement. So, like you said, they predicted Armageddon. And then, when it didn't happen, oh no, it happened, guys, yep, but just not in the way that you didn't see him. But we saw him, yeah, yeah, again in 1925 and 1975. In 1925, they predicted patriarchs like Abraham would return. Didn't happen, or we didn't see it. And then 1975 suggested Armageddon again and many people sold homes, quit jobs. It didn't happen, dang.

Speaker 2: 36:18

All right, this was the verse I was looking for about going out and proclaiming the gospel. Matthew 24, 13 and 14 says but the one who endures till the end will be saved, and this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come, a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. So you can look at that. You can take that verse and you can look at it in two ways. You can look at it as a prophetic testimony of the destruction of the temple, therefore the temple rites and practices. Or you can look at it as Christ will return when the gospel has been spread to every nation and every people group and every culture. Or you could look at both of them and say it's a double fulfillment thing, because the gospel starts in Jerusalem, the gospel message. People start becoming Christians in the city of Jerusalem and it starts to grow, starts to grow. They start facing persecution, they start leaving the city and then the gospel starts going out and the gospel makes it throughout the Roman empire. By the time we get to 70 AD, the gospel has hit so many major cities in the Roman Empire or the known world, that the destruction of Jerusalem almost looks like a fulfillment of this, because it's the end of an age when Jerusalem is destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans. It's the end of the age of temple worship and it's a fulfillment that Christ predicted. He said this temple will be destroyed and he weeps over the destruction of Jerusalem and he talks about it. There's a passage where he predicts the destruction of Jerusalem in the temple and he uses a fig tree as an analogy, where he curses the fig of Jerusalem in the temple and he uses a fig tree as an analogy, where he curses the fig tree to not bear any fruit and because it looks like a healthy tree but it's fruitless, so he curses it for destruction. And later out you find out that Jesus was using it as a example for Jerusalem. Jerusalem is cursed for destruction because, even though it looks like it's practicing faith to God, it's fruitless and so that's a fulfillment. And so you could look at Matthew 24, half of it, if not all of it as Jesus declaring like hey, the end of this age, the end of the, this age, the end of the temple system age will come about. You know, at this time I don't personally hold to that. I think that he truly is talking about the final day. So that's where I would stand with it.

Speaker 2: 39:18

I think that he makes the point like, hey, there's not going to be a specific point in time that we'll be able to look at and say, well, obviously that's when Jesus is coming back. I think what we can use as a testimony to say we're getting close to the final day is how many different nations know about Christ. He doesn't say that everyone will be saved. He doesn't say that the gospel will be presented to every single individual, but he says it will. This testimony, this gospel, will go out to every nation and then the final day will come.

Speaker 2: 39:59

So we haven't done that yet. There's still nations and people groups out there that have never heard the gospel. So we got to focus on that rather than trying to focus on being correct in our predictions of the day that Christ will return. We should be motivated that, hey, we're ready for Christ to return any day, ready for Christ to return any day, and so while we wait for him to come, let's be active about ushering in his kingdom by spreading the gospel to unreached people. So I have a. Do you have some other things you want to hit on.

Speaker 1: 40:34

I just had other groups and predictions if you want to talk about them.

Speaker 2: 40:37

Yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 1: 40:38

So I have. It's the 88 reasonsasons why the Rapture Will Be in 1988. It's a book Okay, it's a booklet by Edgar Wisenat that he distributed widely. He predicted either September 11th or 13th in 1988. He sold millions of copies and it never happened.

Speaker 2: 41:02

How do you spell his last name? W-h-i-s-e-n-a-n-t edgar c whizzenot, whizzenet, yep, whizzenet. All right, so okay. So 88 reasons why the rapture is in 1988. Yep, I wonder if he has any other books.

Speaker 1: 41:26

It's just like that. What is it that music CD line of CDs? Now, that's what I call music. He just raises it every, he re-releases it.

Speaker 2: 41:35

89 Reasons 90 Reasons, 91 Reasons. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Did someone make a joke about that or did he come up with something else?

Speaker 1: 41:47

No, I don't know, I was just me, me. I'm the one who just made that joke.

Speaker 2: 41:52

Rapture Report 1989 and 1990. Oh, he does the final shout. No, that's not by him. I think someone's doing a jab and you're just using his thing.

Speaker 1: 42:04

Oh gotcha.

Speaker 2: 42:06

But talk about. I mean, this book is still on sale. I mean, you can still buy this book for $90, a pre-owned copy, Geez.

Speaker 1: 42:14

On Etsy. Is that more valuable than the Mormon book that we talked about, that they tried to get off the shelves?

Speaker 2: 42:22

Yeah, you can buy that on Amazon for $20.

Speaker 1: 42:24

Oh yeah, nice yeah, we need to buy all these books.

Speaker 2: 42:29

I'm not going to buy 88 Reasons for the Getsch. I'm kidding, that's more of a I guess it's more of a collector thing. Yeah, which side tangent can we talk about how insane some collectors are in the collections that they choose to collect? Yeah, like it's just crazy Talk about. Here's my one thing, because every time I bring it up to somebody they're like you're lying, that's not true. But coin collectors? Yeah, because, okay, there's a quarter and it's worth 25 cents, right, and if you use it like a quarter happens to be from 1983.

Speaker 1: 43:27

And it has the letter D on it.

Speaker 2: 43:29

It has the letter D on it and it doesn't have the brass wear around the lip on the side.

Speaker 1: 43:36

And George Washington's ponytail is half an inch long instead of no, no, none of that. You know what I mean though.

Speaker 2: 43:43

Yeah, yeah, but like, if it happens to be these certain things, it's made out of silver and it wasn't supposed to be, meaning it was a misprint on silver and those quarters will sell for anywhere between like $300,000 to $4,000. Right To collectors.

Speaker 1: 44:01

And what's so funny is that the value of it is arbitrary because, again, it's only worth truly 25 cents, but the value of it goes up because somebody placed some sort of make-believe number onto it, because they said this is what it's valued at Like somebody raised it to be $4,000.

Speaker 2: 44:25

Like dude. It's still a quarter though. Well, but they've got.

Speaker 1: 44:29

I mean, the rarity of the coin is why they say Sure, I have this piece of pocket lit and it's the only one like it in the world. Yeah, and it's been appraised for $300. Yeah, right now, in the comments, tell me who wants to buy this piece of pocket land. You know what I mean. Like, you can do that with any piece of anything, right, correct? You can.

Speaker 2: 44:52

This is valuable because I said so, because it's a one of a kind well, you remember the we too thing we talked about a couple of weeks ago, the wii 2. Uh, staple box, staple the switch to or switch to. Why are you saying we? I don't know dumb the switch to.

Speaker 1: 45:12

Somebody stapled it on the box and they had an auction for it and it ended up selling at it for a charity auction for 250 thousand dollars for a video game console that normally costs $400.

Speaker 2: 45:24

Also Charizard Pokemon card.

Speaker 1: 45:28

Yeah, because it was a misprint. Yeah, no, it's a piece of cardboard with an image on it. Yeah, it's only valuable because people say it is. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:39

So we're getting in the weeds here, like I said, said we would, but it's just funny to me that, like we have so much money out here that people are just throwing in that stuff. You know what I mean. Yeah, it's crazy. Like I could not. I cannot wrap my brain around spending whatever they spent on the switch to a broken Switch. 2. Because it was an internet craze. Because it was an internet craze that you know very good and well, everyone will forget about it next year. Right, no one will remember it will be gone, but in the hype of the moment, everyone was living like it was going to be the next car.

Speaker 1: 46:26

Just like the Rapture prediction.

Speaker 2: 46:28

Just like Rapture prediction there we go Bringing it back around. Bringing it back around, yeah. So yeah, it's crazy stuff, man. Do you have any other ones you want to touch on?

Speaker 1: 46:39

Yeah, I've got Blood Moon Prophecies. Touch on, yeah, I've got Blood Moon Prophecies, and that was somewhere between. I mean, the prediction was 2014 to 2015. Okay, john Hagee and others tied a sequence of lunar eclipses to end time prophecy, but nothing happened.

Speaker 2: 46:59

Oh yeah, when was that again Sorry 2014 to 2015.

Speaker 1: 47:06

So that was a more recent one. Yeah, what about these? Like they're not quite biblical, but it's just like these, like end-time predictions that are a little bit more popular. Yeah, like everybody knows about them, type thing, y2k and if you don't know what that is is. Essentially it was predicted that I don't know if it was the end of the world per se it was an apocalyptic event because all the computers would shut down it was because, something like the codes when the computers were developed supposedly didn't know how to switch the clock over when it switched over from 1999 to 2000.

Speaker 2: 47:48

So the prediction was all of technology was just going to stop because the year changed everything, everything that was being run by computers, right, which infrastructure stuff like power, like the water purification systems, planes, planes, all the important things that make our economy move would shut down and never come back and never come back up. And so I mean it got to the point to where people. I mean we did it. We had 50 gallon drums of water down here, we had like eight of them down here, and we had a bunch of canned food and like non-perishable or long shelf life items just set to the side just in case.

Speaker 1: 48:35

What's funny to me is the idea of Y2K happening all at the same time. The idea of Y2K happening all at the same time makes no sense because we have time zones, yeah, so if it's happening somewhere, we would know it's coming Correct. Also, another rebuttal to that we are not plugged in technology-wise as a society back then like we are now. So I don't feel like if it did happen, I don't think it would have been as catastrophic as everybody made it out to be. If it did happen Now, if it happened today, with us so deeply plugged in like we are, like all the technology that runs everything, it would be way more catastrophic now, 25 years later yeah, yeah, that's true, and there's 2012.

Speaker 2: 49:28

I was running into the mayan calendar.

Speaker 1: 49:31

Which is so funny on that one? To me, yeah, because all it is is essentially they're saying, oh, the mayan calendar stops here, so this has to be the end of times. They predicted it, but it literally is just that that they just stopped writing the calendar out so far ahead.

Speaker 2: 49:51

Is it that, though, or is there not evidence that the reason the calendar stopped here is because they have a prophecy that this is the end?

Speaker 1: 50:03

of the world or whatever. I'm not sure actually, but either way it didn't happen yeah, mayan calendar end date.

Speaker 1: 50:13

while you look that up, I've got one here called planet x nabiru. It was an internet conspiracy that a hidden planet would collide with Earth, and they predicted that would happen in 2003. Then they predicted that would happen in 2012. Then they predicted that would happen in 2017, and they were wrong each time. Dang. It's funny, though, because it's like two of those numbers. I wonder what happened in 2003. Yeah, because 2012, the Mayan calendar, and then 2017, what we talked about before the trumpet Feast of the Trumpets, yeah, feast of the Trumpets, yeah. So I wonder what if there was a correlation where something with the stars happened?

Speaker 2: 50:57

right, yeah, that was the event that they said fulfilled the prophecy in Revelation revelation.

Speaker 1: 51:03

Well, I'm just saying that like it seems like years are lining up here, so I wonder if it's just like has to do with people looking at the stars and all seeing how the stars are and all agreeing but that something's going to happen, but not agreeing on what was going to happen. Yeah, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2: 51:20

Yeah. So my AI overview here for the mayan calendar says the mile long long count calendar cycle concluded on december 21st 2012, marking the end of a significant 13 backton cycle. Rather than an apocalypse, the calendar is a continuous linear system and its end was comparable to an odometer reaching a specific number signaling a new cycle to begin.

Speaker 1: 51:59

Oh, so it went up there and essentially is supposed to then cycle around and start over from the beginning again. Yeah, okay, that's what they're saying now. Oh, supposed to then cycle around and start over from the beginning again. Yeah, okay, is so pretty much saying.

Speaker 2: 52:03

Now, oh, beforehand they were saying, okay, it's probably the end of the world, but but December 21st 2012 came and left and they're like, okay, well, so now what is it? And so this is probably just an explanation, like, oh yeah, well, obviously it wasn't the end of the world, it was actually this, and we never said it was the end of the world.

Speaker 1: 52:23

You know like they do yeah, uh, speaking of 2012, they made that movie based off of the world ending prediction. Yeah, that's one of the dumbest movies I've ever seen. Stupid dude. Like in three different scenes, right, they like something starts happening. The world, quote unquote starts ending, like the grounds opening up volcanoes, whatever. Three different scenes. It's a group of people running as fast as they can to a car. Then they get in the car, they drive as fast as they can get on an airplane and then take off as fast as they can to get away from whatever event happens. They do that three different times where it's just run, run, run, drive, drive, drive, fly, fly, fly Three different times in that movie and when they land right like they fly land, then they have to run car, fly land. It's so stupid.

Speaker 2: 53:23

All right. So I want to bring back in and kind of wind down on this note. So I'm going to read Matthew 25, and it's verses 1 through 13. Do it, lady. Yeah, and I want to acknowledge that this is after Jesus talking about the final day, and like pretty much all of chapter 24, is Jesus talking about the final day and this is what he the next thing that he says.

Speaker 2: 53:52

Then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept, but at midnight there was a cry. Drowsy and slept, but at midnight there was a cry here is the bridegroom, come out to meet him. Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps and the foolish said to the wise Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out. But the wise answered saying Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves. And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins came also saying Lord, lord, open to us. But he answered truly, I is painting the picture very clearly.

Speaker 2: 55:18

You will not know the when. You will not know the when, but what you need to be concerned with is it's going to happen. Am I prepared for it to happen? Predictions and looking at star maps and looking at natural disasters and wars that are going on around the world, and this, that and the other, and then trying to find scriptures to support what you're seeing. How about we focus on this? How about we focus on who is Christ? Will I be able to know when he comes, or will I be like a foolish person and delay in his coming? Or will I be prepared? When he comes, will I be able to rejoice and say, lord, lord, praise that you have come, thank you for redeeming me, and will he respond to my Lord, lord with enter in good and faithful servant, or will he say depart me? I never knew you. That's what I want to focus on.

Speaker 2: 56:27

I don't want to focus on trying to figure out the day that Jesus will come. I want him to come back tonight, but I want to focus on being prepared, right, I want him to look at me and usher me in and celebrate in my faithfulness, my preparedness for him, rather than him being like I don't know, you, you're not welcome in here. That's for me like the biggest thing, like the only way that you can have confidence in that is if you have a relationship with God. Like if you've got a relationship with God, you're confident in salvation, you're not worried. Yeah, you know, but it's the moment when you are like man, I don't know if I'm going to make it into heaven, I don't know if I'm saved. You know, when I hear that I'm like, well, you, you kind of don't get it. Then, like you're saying, I do these things, I say this stuff and I'm concerned.

Speaker 2: 57:25

It's not enough. I'm worried that I'm going to make it and if I'm going to make it into heaven or not. It's like, bro, christ died and did all the work for you to be saved and he calls us to believe in our hearts and profess with our mouth that he is Lord. That is the sign of our salvation and the seal for it is his works through us, not our works. His works through us.

Speaker 1: 57:54

Guys, it's free, reach out and take it.

Speaker 2: 57:57

Yeah, it's salvation. It is free to receive and the cost is everything, but it's already been paid. But it is free to receive and the cost is everything, but it's already been paid. But it's already been paid, but yeah.

Speaker 1: 58:08

So when we talk about works, that should be our new ending, right there in what we just said, what we just said hey, the price has already been paid, just reach out and take it. We are the saints of certain. There you go.

Speaker 2: 58:22

Anyway, what was I saying? I'm sorry, no, you're good. Okay, so yeah, because I've got to put this in here because the Calvinist friends will talk to me later. Works of the Spirit are what occur after salvation. After salvation, when we are saved, we have the pleasure and the joy of listening to the spirit as he leads us and stepping out in what the spirit guides us to do. And why we should have pleasure in that is because it bonds us to God. It grows our relationship and makes it deeper and more rich. But it's not our salvation. We're not saved based on how well we perform. We are saved by Christ alone, through faith alone, but the works after salvation are how we grow and stay in the Lord.

Speaker 2: 59:16

Because, I mean, I'm a believer this is where people will disagree with me. I'm a believer that you can reject God, you can reject the Holy Spirit, and that's an unforgivable sin. And so that unforgivable sin looks like this, what we're talking about with the foolish virgins and the wise virgins, where they rejected you know, you could make the interpretation if you will they rejected the Holy Spirit, and so, even though they were under the impression that they would be welcomed into the party with the bridegroom. They delayed in his coming, he came and he left and they knocked on the door and said, lord, lord, let us in. And he says I don't know you Depart. So that's, I guess, what my home run is here is salvation is a gift from God, and when you get saved, when you believe in Christ as your Lord and Savior, he will come into your heart and he will start guiding you down the path of sanctification, growing in a relationship with him. The path of sanctification growing in a relationship with him.

Speaker 1: 1:00:24

Guys, you went to the job interview, you got hired. Now it's time to get to work.

Speaker 2: 1:00:29

Yeah and well. But to be clear, like, your performance is not what saves you, no, no, it's what keeps you, it's what helps you to stay in that relationship with God, Because if he speaks to you and you listen, you grow together. If God keeps on speaking to you and you keep on ignoring him and rejecting him speaking to you, Right.

Speaker 1: 1:00:53

If your boss tells you what to do and you don't do it and you don't show up for work, you're fired.

Speaker 2: 1:00:59

I don't know. I feel like we're getting into people. I feel like people will talk. People are going to be like you guys are saying it all wrong. To be clear, this is what we believe Salvation comes through faith by grace. It's only by the grace of God that we are saved and we must believe that he has saved us in order for us to be saved. We cannot do any amount of work to be saved.

Speaker 1: 1:01:30

No, you've already being hired. Is the saved in my analogy?

Speaker 2: 1:01:36

Yes, and God will not fire you. You will quit. You will, yeah, you'll reject him in life. I mean, you can quit, you shouldn't? Yeah, don't quit. Don't quit, guys, keep working. So anyways, to wrap all this up, quit trying to decipher. This is not the Da Vinci Code. Quit trying to decipher when the final day is going to be here.

Speaker 1: 1:02:02

Have your heart attitude as though every day is the final day, and something I want to say is like this isn't a scary thing If you've accepted Christ. Oh, yeah, we're good. Yeah, we're good. This is not a scary thing. All these movies, 2012, like, and all these prophecies like people might try to make it sound like it's like a horror movie. It's the end of days, it's all over. You know what I mean. It's only scary if you haven't accepted Christ, If you haven't chose Christ God.

Speaker 2: 1:02:34

For the people that are not following the Lord, it's kind of like this and then for the people that are following God, it's more like this yeah boy. And it's going to happen that quick and I'm going to say this Looks to me like you're on the wrong side of the river.

Speaker 1: 1:02:55

How awful would you be if you were in heaven and you're just like shouting across that gap.

Speaker 2: 1:03:00

Looks like you're on the wrong side of the river Joe. But I mean, what a troll to end with. You know what I mean. Old things are passing away. The new has come. God's separating the faithful and the unfaithful, and you just hear in the background of all the faithful people of God, and it's Brendan Fraser, and it is Brendan Fraser.

Speaker 2: 1:03:22

Looks to me like you're on the wrong side of the river and someone just turns around. Like who's that? Is that? Tom Cruise turns around. Who said that? Oh my gosh, I hope Tom Cruise repents and believes in Jesus Christ Get right, Tom Get right, Tom, Get right Tom. Yeah, anyways, that was a little joke there for the mummy, because Tom Cruise tried to reboot the mummy and did not do well, and also Scientology. Yeah, and also Scientology. It was a double hit.

Speaker 1: 1:03:51

Yep, so is that all we got?

Speaker 2: 1:03:56

That's all I got.

Speaker 1: 1:03:57

All right, because I got a game. Oh it's, it's not I'm starting to feel like that.

Speaker 1: 1:04:05

I'm getting like a stigma around jeris's games we should, uh, we should just create a segment called blindside segment blindside segment, blindside me with a game well, this isn't really actually a game, it's just more of, and I'm not gonna keep score, anything like that. But I'm gonna read a statement, okay, and uh, these are around, these, um prophecies, quote-unquote, prophecies about end times, quote-unquote. And you just got to tell me if it was a real prophecy, that a real prophecy that somebody stated right. Okay, so to be clear, none of these are real prophecies, obviously, but real in the sense that somebody actually stood up and said predicted. It predicted this versus something that I made up, gotcha okay, sorry, just a second.

Speaker 2: 1:04:53

Are you ready?

Speaker 1: 1:04:54

yep, and now our feature presentation.

Speaker 2: 1:04:59

Psych. Everyone that was listening. Now we're going to do the main topic.

Speaker 1: 1:05:03

Welcome to the Saints that Serve podcast, where all we do is play a game. Yeah, All right, Go ahead All right. So in 1988, a former NASA engineer predicted the rapture would happen and mailed out millions of booklets with the title 88 Reasons why the Rapture Will Be in 1988. I'm going to say that that really did happen. That really did happen.

Speaker 2: 1:05:25

I didn't realize that Edgar was a astronaut.

Speaker 1: 1:05:28

Mm-hmm, wow. A group in the 1500s believed the apocalypse would begin when penguins marched in a circle around a mountain in France. I'm going to say, yes, oh, that's the phone. That was pretty well timed.

Speaker 2: 1:05:47

I thought you pushed a button. I was like I don't remember putting that on the phone. No, that's your phone. That was the phone.

Speaker 1: 1:05:52

That's false. I made that up. Wow, I made that up.

Speaker 2: 1:05:54

Wow.

Speaker 1: 1:05:55

Mm-hmm. In 1844, thousands of followers of preacher William Miller expected Christ to return. When nothing happened, it became known as the Great Disappointment. We talked about that already, so yeah, this is also partly a summary of the episode. Oh okay, in 1910, some Americans panicked when Halley's Comet passed Earth, believing the comet's tail contained poisonous gas that would wipe out humanity.

Speaker 2: 1:06:24

That sounds legit, but I'm going to say no.

Speaker 1: 1:06:29

It was legit. A 17th century German prophet claimed the end of the world would come when a giant chicken flew across the sky, crowing three times Fake.

Speaker 2: 1:06:41

It is fake. Okay, there we go. So if it's got a bird in it, it's fake. Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 1: 1:06:47

You're building up. My dog's name is Raven. The most outlandish bird interaction is actually legit In 1914, the Watchtower Society predicted the end of the world would occur when a giant chicken crossed the road no, marking the end of human governments. They predicted it, but it did not come true.

Speaker 2: 1:07:09

It did not come true Watchtower is the JWs everybody.

Speaker 1: 1:07:12

JWs witnesses. In 1997, the Heaven's Gate cult believed Earth would be wiped clean and salvation meant joining a spaceship hiding behind the Hal-Bopp comet. Members committed mass unaliving to board it. That is true. That is true. Yes. A medieval monk once predicted the world would end when frogs overran all of Europe, croaking so loudly that it would drown out human voices. False, that is false. In 2012, panic spread because the Mayan calendar appeared to end on December 21st, leading people to believe it predicted the apocalypse. True, that is true. In 1994, televangelist Harold Camping predicted the rapture would happen. When it didn't, he revised the date to 2011, predicting the final judgment day. True, that is true. That's awful.

Speaker 2: 1:08:14

I think you got caught on. Whenever there's an animal involved, it's fake.

Speaker 1: 1:08:18

I like animals. All right, Leave me alone.

Speaker 2: 1:08:19

I'm an animal lover.

Speaker 1: 1:08:21

Hey, I was making them too hard, so I had to make them a little bit easier for you. I want you to enjoy my games. Oh, thanks, yeah, but that's all I have.

Speaker 2: 1:08:42

I wanted you to enjoy them so much. I didn't have an intro or an outro or really a name for the game, like my games typically have. Guess that rapture, oh, rapture.

Speaker 1: 1:08:45

Not all of them were raptures, though they were just like in times. All right, guess that prophecy guess that prophecy?

Speaker 2: 1:08:52

I don't have a game show intro okay, but yeah, but yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:08:57

I mean, guys, it's going to happen, be prepared, choose Jesus. Or don't you know? Ooh, subliminal messages there. I'm just saying, and it's not a scary thing, guys.

Speaker 2: 1:09:12

No, being a Christian actually gives you a lot of confidence, Right and comfort.

Speaker 1: 1:09:17

You know I just feel like there is a lot of Right and comfort, you know, and I just feel like there is a lot of like fear around it, even for believers of, like the end times, like I'm not, not that they're unprepared to go to heaven, yeah, to be raptured up, but more of they feel like that they have unfinished business here, but it's like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to care, like once it happens, it's like that's it, it's a great deception.

Speaker 2: 1:09:39

The enemy wants us to be fearful in our freedom in Christ, and that's not what we're supposed to be. That's not the real message of salvation, that's not the gospel message, because you look at the apostles they were excited and celebrated whenever they faced physical persecution. Because they were one step closer, one step closer, and it was like we were considered worthy to be somewhat close to the suffering that our savior underwent to save us. No one in America is thinking that way today. When it comes to the gospel, we're not like man, I hope.

Speaker 1: 1:10:21

I get it. I really hope somebody shoots me for God.

Speaker 2: 1:10:24

I mean young men, bible studies are that way. They're like man. I hope I face persecution to prove how worthy I am. It's like you know, I've been around that. I've done that a couple times. Like man, I just hope I get to endure suffering. But that's not how it looked. They weren't looking to get in trouble, but when trouble came they were excited. They rejoiced in the suffering. They praised God because they were like, hey, this suffering sucks, but it's fleeting. They were like, hey, this suffering sucks, but it's fleeting, and I am confident in my eternal destination, so confident in it. I do not care what happens in this world. You know what I mean. Yeah, and I think Paul talks about how much stuff he underwent for the sake of just spreading the gospel. Like he was shipwrecked a couple of times. He was beaten with rods on multiple occasions. He was stoned to death. They thought he was dead.

Speaker 1: 1:11:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:11:28

You know, he's sickness, storms, snake, bites, all of it. He's gone through all this suffering and he considers it all joy because it was for the sake of the gospel, because the life that he lived was for the Lord and his relationship with God was close to God. And so that's the example that we should choose to emulate as Christians, is, our lives and lifestyles are lived for the Lord, and when we face hardship and hard times, we're not fearful, we rejoice so, yep.

Speaker 1: 1:12:10

All right. Well, that has been episode 50. The big five-oh. We did it guys. Episode 50 of the Saints That-0. We did it guys. Episode 50 of the Saints that Serve podcast. Don't forget to be on the lookout for episode 52, our one-year anniversary episode. Alright, do you have anything else? That's all I've got. That's all I've got. Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now.

Speaker 2: 1:12:37

We are the saints that serve.

Speaker 1: 1:12:40

Come on, don't be crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:13:22

Oh, yeah, all righty.