Welcome to Saints that Serve

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Welcome to the Saints that Serve , podcast where , each week , your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith , culture and the unknown .

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Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now . We are the Saints that Serve .

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Welcome to the Saints that Serve podcast .

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Yeah , boy that Serve Podcast , yeah boy , that is the Saints that Serve Podcast . Yeah , boy .

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Where , each week , your host . No , I'm just kidding , no , but we Dive into the faith , culture and the unknown . This is fun because this is episode 50 , baby , that's right Over the hill , in a virtual sense , for the podcast , not us . We're still young and spry , not for much longer . I'm looking forward to my sweet 16 .

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Your sweet 16? .

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Yeah , in two years ?

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What 16th century ? I don't know . I'm still feeling it .

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Blah , blah , blah .

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Oh my gosh .

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No , but yeah , we made a commitment to try and do a video live stream by episode 50 . And let's just be honest , guys , we said that and we were like man , life is really busy .

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Life is busy and hard and hard . We've had a lot . We made a lot of promises by 50 and we were not able to keep them .

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Yeah .

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So we're just going to say moving forward , lord willing , rather than we're going to , we're just going to say hey , when we have something that is concrete and it is for sure going to happen , we will let you know , instead of making promises . Yeah .

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I mean , we've got a couple of live streams that have been recorded and they're on our YouTube page , and so we'll go right into that . You can follow us on YouTube , Facebook , Instagram , Threads X , anywhere you get your podcasts . You can also follow or download there .

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Yeah , facebook Instagram for our news and updates as well , and stay tuned for our newsletter .

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No , I'm not going to promise that , no , but the big thing that we got coming up is episode 52 .

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I wanted to talk about that . So typically podcasts have a episode 50 , big deal over the hill kind of thing . That's not going to be us this one . Yeah , no , because our one-year anniversary Is in two weeks Is in two weeks and that I'm pretty sure it's on the day as well that the episode comes out . Mm-hmm Is , episode 52 is our one-year anniversary , so that's going to be our big anniversary stream . Oh , not stream , sorry episode , Episode .

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But we will have guests on and we'll kind of do a like look back on the year and talk about our favorite things and strap in because it's going to be a long one . Yeah , yeah , It'll be a long form . So , yeah , make sure you tune in for that episode 52 . And then every Friday we pray for you . So if you need prayer for anything , please reach out to us . You can message us , you can use the link at the bottom of the episode description . Gotcha on that one . There we go . Or you can email us at saintsatserve at gmailcom . And yeah , that's pretty much it for announcements and intros and all that stuff . So , but we did have a comment .

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Yes .

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So I'm not going to I'm not going to read it , but I want to shout out to Ashley virtual high five . Just did it just now for guessing correctly Zoolander is the movie .

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I got the black lung pop .

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Mm-hmm , that is from Zoolander . And then we had some comments from a YouTuber called ResLight .

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Mm-hmm , and this is on the Jehovah's Witness episode .

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Yes , so episode 49 .

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No Episode 48 . 48 .

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Yeah , that's what I was thinking on the Jehovah's Witness episode . Yes , so episode 49 . Episode 48 . 48 , yeah .

Speaker 1 4:30

That's what I was thinking , because last week's episode was the Flat Earther versus Round Earther no . That was a joke , guys . Calm down . The New Earth versus Old Earth , yeah .

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Yeah , fun conversation . I actually talked with Sam on the phone today yeah I was like dude , don't listen to episode , he's behind on episodes just like dude , just get 49 because it'll turn your ears . Red because we talk about younger , the older things like oh man um , anyways , red's light . Thanks for commenting . You know this is not like I'm not being mean or trying to jab , but they definitely left us a novel .

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Yes .

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For their comments .

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It was two comments . And it was only two comments because they ran out of space on the first one and continued what they were saying on the second one .

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Yeah , it's kind of a dissertation to say , like Je Jehovah's Witness , the organization today is wrong and bad . But Russell Tays .

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Something Tays Russell .

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Something . Tays Russell sorry , it's a defense for him because he would disagree with the Jehovah's Witness of today . But yeah , he would disagree with the Jehovah's Witness of today , but yeah . So I didn't really do an in-depth thing , but basically they're saying that the organization Jehovah's Witness is corrupt and wrong and people need to get back to the true Bible study or students of the word , which is what Taze started . So same same , but different , I guess . But yeah , thanks for commenting . I am going to be honest . I will try to look into what your belief is .

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But we don't have a rebuttal yet .

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I don't have a rebuttal and I don't really know yeah , I don't really know if I need to rebuttal . So there we go . So , anyways , thanks for commenting . Res , light and ashley and um , that's all we've got , so we're gonna go into our main topic . So , tyler , this is your transition into in

End Times Prophecy Discussion

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times . I like trains .

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I don't have a horn , so that's the . There we go , the rapture horn yeah , end Times Prophecy .

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So for all those out there who are not believers in Jesus Christ and he comes back , everyone will know that he's back and they will have to give an account for why they didn't believe in him . So hope you got that speech ready . Jesus , please no you know that's a little bit of a jest and jab there , but , um , something's coming up in september yeah , I was .

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So we're going to kind of talk about the end times but also talk about the I don't know I don't want to really use the word cult because I don't think they're all cults , but really just people , modern day people or just people in general , predicting the end times .

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Yeah , the prophetic camps , right , the prophecy predictors , or chasers if you will . They're always producing a prediction for when Christ will be back .

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And so this one in a couple of weeks is just the next one yeah , so it's september 23rd and 24th is the feast of trumpets . So what is ? Who is claiming this ?

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it's I don't know who would be the point person , but it's an online speculation that different individuals are putting out there . Okay , so a Facebook group Got it Not even that . No , with the progression of the combination of short content videos and AI people are okay . People are producing content that catches more attention . Yeah , and so what would be ? Fringe is now mainstream , and it's because they've got the editing software through AI , to be able to make their content better .

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Anybody can make anything nowadays through something like ChatGPT , yeah , so , but yeah , it's no one person , it's a bunch of different individuals , I would say , that are saying , because of these different things that they heard through the echo chamber of the internet market , that they're all putting out their own content with the different similarities and so somebody is out there , one or two people said it .

Speaker 1 9:33

it gained traction and these people who were creating this content latched onto that because they saw that it was going to gain them more views than normal I .

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That's . What I would say is that it's people are realizing that because someone has put a compelling argument out for a prophecy prediction , it will catch traction because this is what it has going . The number one thing it has going for it is this hasn't happened yet . Yeah , could be right , because it hasn't happened yet yeah , all you need is that one .

Speaker 1 10:08

But what's crazy to me is like okay , so you're right , right , you're , you're right , and here it is . Well , you said september 23rd or 24th or 24th . Here it is september 23rd , 24th , trumpets blow . What did you gain ? Like , you know what I mean . I mean praise the Lord , praise the Lord . Yes , I'm talking about in the sense of like , what did this individual gain for being right ?

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No , yeah , yeah . I don't want to look at it in that light . Like they're just , I mean some of them probably .

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Well , the reason I say that is like why even bother making the prediction ?

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I mean it's a cultural thing for a certain camp of dispensational Christians .

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It's just like . What do they get out of it ? If they're right , saved or unsaved , like earthly-wise , what do they gain out of it ? Obviously , it's eternal salvation , and you know what I mean . Like you get to live forever in heaven or in hell , like right or wrong , but you know what I mean . Like you get to live forever in heaven or in hell , like right or wrong , but you know what I mean . It's just like there is no true value like earthly gain , whether you're right or wrong , because you're not going to run around and say see , I told you , I told you so you know what I mean .

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Well , right now there is earthly value because the more people that view the videos , right . But I'm saying more views they get .

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So their intentions aren't god godly , their intentions is earthly for them , and that's kind of my point is like the only way is to warn , like the real true value is to warn . Hey , uh , this is when it's happening , this is how long you have to get right with God , but in reality we should be doing that anyways Correct , and I think that's what we'll end the episode on and kind of our summary and take .

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I do want to give some like positive view to this , because there are definitely people that the reason they're talking about it is because they're excited about it , because it's like , hey , jesus might be coming back in less than a month . Why wouldn't I want to let everybody know and why wouldn't I want to physically express my excitement over that ?

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And that is a good positive , but we're also talking about the people who are making videos and trying to get clicks and views off of it as well .

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yeah , I I can't fully speak for them , but I can only speculate that their intentions more than , or are probably not , god oriented or god centric yeah , maybe it's too muddy of a situation because , you're right , there's definitely people that they're doing a 100% for the increase in popularity of videos , but I think some people they look at their online content less as like I'm going to become big and famous , and more as a moderator of a community for content . That's what I've noticed . Moderator of a community for content that's what I've noticed . Some things like the guy over it . He has zero cares about how well his channel does . It's more about the content that he's putting out is very specific and so it's more so creating a platform for like-minded people to have a dialogue about this stuff .

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See , I guess from my point of view of it , it's like I wouldn't okay . First off , we're not going to know . I think that is a key thing that we need to say . It's biblically . It says we do not know the day or the hour when the Lord will return . We don't know .

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Matthew 24 , just in case anyone was wondering .

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Thank you . But if just by some unbiblical miracle , god gave it directly just to me to say , hey , this is the day , this is the hour he told me specifically .

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Yeah .

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I need you to let everybody know . My form of letting everybody know would not be the internet . I would be going to these churches , I would be going in the streets and I would be saying it like a crazy person , letting everybody know to tell them that way , because I'm sorry , but internet videos will not be believed . I'll disagree , you will Because . Will not be believed . I'll disagree , you will Because . Okay , if you saw a crazy person on there talking about the rapture when we're about to get into how many people have done that , it just seems so unlikely to reach as many people as I could if I was going to them individually and talking to them . Here's the difference .

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A 60-second video where someone pitches their idea and someone out on a street corner pitching their idea . I am more likely to listen to the 60-second video all the way through than I'm to give the person on the street corner 60 seconds .

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Is that because you are not being confronted face-to-face ? Do you feel more comfortable watching that ? Because it's not a crazy person in your face , not ?

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necessarily me personally . My thing is , when I'm out in the public , I'm very mission-focused . I've got this that I'm doing and I'm going to do this , or I'm currently doing this and this is what I'm here for . So just the idea of taking time to just casually open a dialogue with somebody I'm not big on . However , if I'm on my phone and I'm looking at videos , that's the only thing I'm doing . I'm not looking for like a specific video that I just absolutely need to find . Most of the time it's just I'm cruising and so if something has a catch word that catches me , I'll I'll listen to the video .

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so yeah , and , and thinking about it right now , it just kind of came to me as , like noah dealt with the exact same thing .

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You know , I mean , hey guys , this is happening . Nobody believed him . Well , I guess I have to backpedal a little bit , because it's just like I mean , yeah , I'll get the that I can , but at the end of the day you can only do what you can . You know what I mean . It's not like I'm going to be able to save or inform everybody . So I guess using every single possible avenue of outsourcing that information would be the best bet .

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And so I do want to read

September Feast of Trumpets Prediction

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this . So Matthew 24 , starting in verse 36 , and this is , you know where you you pulled from . But but concerning that day and hour , no one knows , not even the angels of heaven , nor the son talking about Jesus , but the father only . For as , as were the days of Noah , so will be the coming of the Son of man . For as , in those days before the flood , they were eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage until the day when Noah entered the ark , and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away , so will be the coming of the Son of man . Then two men will be in the field , one will be taken and one left . So it goes on and we'll probably read further on in that , a little bit longer , a little bit later in the episode . But you brought up Noah , so I just wanted to show how much that ties into . You know what we're talking about is . When it truly comes to the final day , it will catch everybody unaware , except those who are prepared for it .

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And Noah didn't know the day that it would happen . You know , he just was faithful to the requirements that God gave him . So by faith he built the ark . It took him 150 years . By faith , he trusted the Lord would bring the animals the right amount of each kind , and by faith , he watched God load them onto the ark , including the dinosaurs , including the dinosaurs . And then he and his family got on , they shut it up and it was by his faith the earth flooded . So you know , I think in his mind he probably was like you know , whenever this gets done , god's going to flood the earth . So I need to be faithful and make sure I get this done . I don't think that he was dilly-dallying and like twiddling his thumbs and working on the ark just on the weekends as a passion project , like I think it was . This was what everything , this was what he was doing . He was getting ready for it and it still took him so long to get it done . He was doing , he was getting ready for it and it still took him so long to get it done , but he got it done and it was by faith that he got it done . So you know , that's really the focus that we need to take from it is as believers . We know Christ is coming back and it's by faith that we trust it will be soon , but we truly don't know when it will be .

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And so the argument for that , specifically with what's coming up the Feast of Trumpets traditionally the Feast of Trumpets for Israel . When they celebrated it , it was dependent on the moon cycle , so meaning it did not necessarily start on this day of the month , it was whenever the moon changed . That was the initiation of the Feast of Trumpets . So that's where they get the . No one knows the day or the hour , meaning literally , you know it could be either the 23rd or the 24th , because it's solely dependent on whenever the moon changes . So that's the argument there . Another thing that they've got going for them is that this year is a year of Jubilee , which only happens every 40 or 50 years . I'm a little rusty on some of this Old Testament festivals and timeframes and stuff , but this year is a year of Jubilee . And then , seven years ago , in 2017 , which wouldn't that be eight years ago this is 2025 , right .

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Yeah .

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I don't know why . Then people said seven years ago Anyways , there's a prophecy in Revelation .

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I must say , was the end of 20, . What day did ?

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you say in 20? , september 23rd , 2017 . So 2018 , 19 , 20 , 21 , 22 , 23 , 24 , 25 . I guess technically it's a exact seven years . So there you go , 2017 , a fulfillment , if you will , of a prophecy in the book of Revelation , in chapter 12 .

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And this is all their reasoning , correct ?

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Correct . Fulfillment occurred in an astronomical sense . So in Revelation 17 , it talks about , you know , the woman in the wilderness being crowned with , I think it's like the stars or the sun or what have you . Anyways , the way that it's worded I guess I should have read it . I'm sorry , you guys , but the way that it's worded is basically an astronomical event occurs in the heavens or in the night sky and people say it's a fulfillment of that prophecy . And seven years from that fulfillment is when Christ will return , is the argument . So the Feast of Trumpets this year , which is also in the year of a Jubilee and is seven years from this previous potential fulfillment of prophecy , and that's the argument . So I've got a source from an article . Ironically it's from the I don't know why I said ironically but from the VaticanObservatoryorg . So I'm assuming our Catholic friends here . But it says , according to various sources , Where's your chanting soundbite ? Oh , I don't .

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Oh , I don't have one , sorry , did you get rid ?

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of it . I think I got rid of it here we go .

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I got one yeah , I got this . Do it , lady . According to various sources , especially on the internet , the sky of September 2017 would represent the scene from the 12th chapter of Revelation A woman clothed with the sun , with the moon under her feet and on her head , a crown of 12 stars . Crown of 12 stars as the sun , moon and certain planets arranged themselves within and around the constellation Virgo . This was supposed to be an unprecedented phenomenon . Christopher Graney analyzes these claims in this post on the Vatican Observatories , the Catholic Astronomer blog . Graney argues that when we have an understanding of the motions of the sun , moon and planets , and of what stars make up a constellation , we see in the sky of September 2017 something that happens every few hundred years and that is of limited interest to astronomers . So it's not like this is a one-time event that never happened and is never happening again .

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That's what I was going to . Question is like so why , particularly now , when it's happened before and it's going to happen again ?

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This is well , but that's the thing is . Allegedly , it seems that this event will happen every couple of hundred years is what Graney is suggesting Now . People who are just in the prophetic movement , specifically in the dispensational camps . They're not necessarily looking back hundreds of years at star documentation .

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They're only looking for what happened recently .

Speaker 2 24:32

They're looking for recent events or potential events to slap a end times prophecy on , because that's what they're looking for .

Speaker 1 24:42

They're looking for signs , they're looking for , they're looking for signs , enough evidence to stake their claim , but not fully supporting it all the way well , yeah , because the way I would word it is , their claim is christ is coming back .

Speaker 2 24:58

They're trying to find evidence beyond the creation of man to point to christ's return . So , like it would take a lot to be able to say like these astronomical events occurred , also this social whatever , whatever happened in the middle east , also this whatever . So it's a bunch of different things that are coincidentally happening all in one go and they're saying it's not coincidence , it is the ushering in of Christ . So but a argument to that is that in 2017 , on September 23rd , was also an end times prediction . It was also an end times prediction .

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People were predicting that the 23rd of September in 2017 was going to be when Christ returned , because it was a feast of trumpets . Yeah , that was the feast of trumpets . And now they're saying , oh no , that was the beginning , and now here's the end of the feast of trumpets .

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Yeah , so there's an article . We'll post the link to the article . It's from Answers in Genesis Answering Genesis . The article he's addressing the response . He's responding to the different guys in prophecy that are saying like , hey , this is the end times , but he waited a month 23rd to write the article to address their prophecies , to really drive home the point of like , hey , they're saying a lot and they're acting like it is from God , but it is obviously not from God , because everything that they said did not occur , and so that's the argument . And so that's the argument . In 2017 , one of the big guys that was promoting the idea that Christ was coming back on September 23rd 2017 was Mark Blitz . So that's something to keep in mind when you hear about end times , prophecies , saying when Jesus is coming back , like giving a day and a time . Just remember that we've been doing it for 2000 years and we I mean I'm , I'm of the mind , I hope . So I hope you're right .

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I would be nice . Yeah , that's what's crazy about this is we're not sitting here saying you're , you're dumb or idiots . It's just like we're just saying that you're wrong , but we're also hopeful as well , like , yeah , let's go , let's go , let's do it 23rd or 24th . Yeah , but there's been so many times before whale is wrong , so so many times that's like , yeah , okay you're probably wrong , you know well .

Speaker 2 27:48

That's the thing is . You got to be careful , because if it's not from the lord , like if the lord is not instructing you to prophesy , because here's , here's . The thing is . This is where I get a little frustrated . These guys are are not saying I prophesy , they're saying my prediction will be , and then they'll say all this stuff and it's like , okay , that's great , but you're really acting in a prophetic sense and you're expecting people to take your word as gospel because of your compelling evidence .

Speaker 1 28:20

Here's the thing of your compelling evidence . Oh , yeah , here's the thing it's like I guess they say that , oh , I'm only predicting , so that , oh , I guess my prediction was wrong , and it doesn't fall back on them as hard when they're wrong . Yeah , or it doesn't happen .

Speaker 2 28:33

Yeah , because we talked about Mormonism , you know , a couple episodes ago and about how Joseph Smith he claimed to be a prophet from God and the Mormons

Historical End Times Predictions

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yeah , the Latter-day Saints to this day will defend that . They will say you've got to listen to Joseph Smith because he is God's prophet , he's a prophet from the Lord . But then it's like yeah , but we have documentation of his life and how many prophecies he made and how many of them did not come true . And that's a sheer sign of when someone is not a prophet of the Lord is when they make a prophecy and it does not come true , then the Lord , it's not from God , right ? So prophets in the Bible there's evidence to show there are guys who claim to be prophets , who get it right sometimes , but then they also get it wrong .

Speaker 2 29:33

So in the book of Jeremiah there's an example of that . Jeremiah brings a prophecy of destruction over Israel and says that God's going to judge you and he's going to take you out of the land . And then another prophet stands up in the room of the king , in the throne room of the king , and he prophesies the opposite of what Jeremiah prophesies . And it's like no , everything's going to be great , we're going to be great . It's all going to be great . And then obviously , everyone .

Speaker 1 29:56

I'm paraphrasing this is not John reading word for word from the Bible currently .

Speaker 2 30:02

Yeah , but then Jeremiah gives a prophecy over that prophet's life and says a year from today you're going to die for misrepresenting God . And sure enough , a year from that time that prophet dies . And the Bible includes that in the book of Jeremiah to show that there are guys who claim to be prophets and they get things right because they're able , because they're taken Like . If they get everything wrong , no one's going to take them seriously .

Speaker 1 30:31

Well , here's the thing . Like , okay , these people over here right now , on 23rd , 24th , right , predicting that's end times ? Yeah , I'm , I'm predicting that it's not going to happen . And when I'm right , am I a prophet ? You know what I mean . Like that's what it sounds like is like that Jeremiah stands up and says this is what's going to happen , and the guy says no opposite , somebody's going to be right .

Speaker 2 30:56

Well , but the reason that it's in the book of Jeremiah is because everyone liked the prophecy of the guy . The book of Jeremiah is because everyone liked the prophecy of the guy and so they were excited with him and they cursed Jeremiah , which fulfills what God tells Jeremiah in the beginning of the book . He's like you're going to be my prophet and no one's going to believe you in order for my judgment to come . And so Jeremiah is like I've got Jeremiah's got a long prophetic ministry and it's just sucks , because he's out here warning everybody , giving the prophecies of the Lord to everyone , and they're coming true , and nobody's believing him and nobody's turning or repenting or anything . And so that's why they call Jeremiah the weeping prophet , because he's just so broken over the reality of he's speaking truth and everyone's choosing to reject it . And it's coming true . And so that's the thing is , it's he's .

Speaker 2 31:59

You know , prophets of God will speak the truth , but people will either listen to it or reject it , and it comes down to what they want to hear . Like if you want to hear this , then you'll listen . If you don't want to hear it , you'll come up with excuses or examples . You know and I think that's where I'm at is . I've become a little jaded because just of the obsessive behavior of the prophetic camp .

Speaker 2 32:24

They're so consumed with trying to predict the day that Jesus will return . And , you know , maybe I should be that way too , but I have a hard time with it .

Speaker 1 32:36

I was going to say it could almost be a distraction , where you're so focused on trying to predict when it's going to happen that you're not preparing for when it does happen .

Speaker 2 32:47

Yeah , and that's my thing is . I think that what we need to take away from it as believers is not searching the scripture to figure out the exact day that Christ will return . We should search the scriptures to try and figure out how we can live like every day will be the day he will return . We should search the scriptures to try and figure out how we can live like every day will be the day he will return . You know , because we should be ushering in the return of Christ . Some people will be in the camp of that . We have no ability whatsoever to do anything to usher in the return of Christ , and that's probably true . However , we're called to go out and make disciples and proclaim the good news to all nations , and that has not happened yet . Like , there are still thousands of people , millions of people , that have never heard the gospel . So what are we doing ? Like , why are we sitting here making YouTube videos and TikTok and , essentially , the final page of the book , right ?

Speaker 1 33:50

Yeah , it's really not , but you know what I mean . Just like you're ruining the ending with no lead up to why this is happening .

Speaker 2 33:57

Yes , I had the verse . I got to find it , so you keep talking while I look for it .

Speaker 1 34:02

Do you want to talk about some of these groups and their predictions ? Yes , yes , the first one I've got here is the Miller . I don't know if it's Millerites or Miller . Millie writes , but William Miller calculated Christ's return between 1843 and 1844 using Daniel 8.14 . Okay , and when it didn't happen , he had tens of thousands of people prepared and leading to what they called the great disappointment , when nothing happened , dang . So this dude just got all these people hyped up with it , right , tens of thousands .

Speaker 2 34:46

And he based it on the Daniel 8.14 . Yeah , this is the verse it says . And he said unto me , unto 2,300 days , then shall the sanctuary be cleansed . That's the verse , Daniel 8.14 .

Speaker 1 35:00

So , okay , I'm curious to hear what this guy was very specifically saying .

Speaker 2 35:04

Yeah , I want to hear the argument because the verse I'm just I don't know it's way like I need the context .

Speaker 1 35:11

Anytime there's numbers in the Bible , people somehow try to correlate it to a date , and that's when it's going to happen . Jehovah's Witnesses got it wrong on three different occasions .

Speaker 2 35:24

Well , but they didn't get it wrong , because Christ did come back in 1914 . He just came back in a spiritual , private sense .

Speaker 1 35:31

Oh right , right , right , yeah , I forgot about that . Yeah , but yeah , like you said , 1914 , they predicted Armageddon reinterpreted as Christ's invisible enthronement . Armageddon reinterpreted as Christ's invisible enthronement . So , like you said , they predicted Armageddon . And then , when it didn't happen , oh no , it happened , guys , yep , but just not in the way that you didn't see him . But we saw him , yeah , yeah , again in 1925 and 1975 . In 1925 , they predicted patriarchs like Abraham would return . Didn't happen , or we didn't see it . And then 1975 suggested Armageddon again and many people sold homes , quit jobs . It didn't happen , dang .

Speaker 2 36:18

All right , this was the verse I was looking for about going out and proclaiming the gospel . Matthew 24 , 13 and 14 says but the one who endures till the end will be saved , and this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations , and then the end will come , a testimony to all nations , and then the end will come . So you can look at that . You can take that verse and you can look at it in two ways . You can look at it as a prophetic testimony of the destruction of the temple , therefore the temple rites and practices . Or you can look at it as Christ will return when the gospel has been spread to every nation and every people group and every culture . Or you could look at both of them and say it's a double fulfillment thing , because the gospel starts in Jerusalem , the gospel message . People start becoming Christians in the city of Jerusalem and it starts to grow , starts to grow . They start facing persecution , they start leaving the city and then the gospel starts going out and the gospel makes it throughout the Roman empire . By the time we get to 70 AD , the gospel has hit so many major cities in the Roman Empire or the known world , that the destruction of Jerusalem almost looks like a fulfillment of this , because it's the end of an age when Jerusalem is destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans . It's the end of the age of temple worship and it's a fulfillment that Christ predicted . He said this temple will be destroyed and he weeps over the destruction of Jerusalem and he talks about it . There's a passage where he predicts the destruction of Jerusalem in the temple and he uses a fig tree as an analogy , where he curses the fig of Jerusalem in the temple and he uses a fig tree as an analogy , where he curses the fig tree to not bear any fruit and because it looks like a healthy tree but it's fruitless , so he curses it for destruction . And later out you find out that Jesus was using it as a example for Jerusalem . Jerusalem is cursed for destruction because , even though it looks like it's practicing faith to God , it's fruitless and so that's a fulfillment . And so you could look at Matthew 24 , half of it , if not all of it as Jesus declaring like hey , the end of this age , the end of the , this age , the end of the temple system age will come about . You know , at this time I don't personally hold to that . I think that he truly is talking about the final day . So that's where I would stand with it .

Speaker 2 39:18

I think that he makes the point like , hey , there's not going to be a specific point in time that we'll be able to look at and say , well , obviously that's when Jesus is coming back . I think what we can use as a testimony to say we're getting close to the final day is how many different nations know about Christ . He doesn't say that everyone will be saved . He doesn't say that the gospel will be presented to every single individual , but he says it will . This testimony , this gospel , will go out to every nation and then the final day will come .

Speaker 2 39:59

So we haven't done that yet . There's still nations and people groups out there that have never heard the gospel . So we got to focus on that rather than trying to focus on being correct in our predictions of the day that Christ will return . We should be motivated that , hey , we're ready for Christ to return any day , ready for Christ to return any day , and so while we wait for him to come , let's be active about ushering in his kingdom by spreading the gospel to unreached people . So I have a . Do you have some other things you want to hit on .

Speaker 1 40:34

I just had other groups and predictions if you want to talk about them .

Speaker 2 40:37

Yeah , let's do that .

Speaker 1 40:38

So I have . It's the 88 reasonsasons why the Rapture Will Be in 1988 . It's a book Okay , it's a booklet by Edgar Wisenat that he distributed widely . He predicted either September 11th or 13th in 1988 . He sold millions of copies and it never happened .

Speaker 2 41:02

How do you spell his last name ? W-h-i-s-e-n-a-n-t edgar c whizzenot , whizzenet , yep , whizzenet . All right , so okay . So 88 reasons why the rapture is in 1988 . Yep , I wonder if he has any other books .

Speaker 1 41:26

It's just like that . What is it that music CD line of CDs ? Now , that's what I call music . He just raises it every , he re-releases it .

Speaker 2 41:35

89 Reasons 90 Reasons , 91 Reasons . Yeah , that's what I was thinking . Did someone make a joke about that or did he come up with something else ?

Speaker 1 41:47

No , I don't know , I was just me , me . I'm the one who just made that joke .

Speaker 2 41:52

Rapture Report 1989 and 1990 . Oh , he does the final shout . No , that's not by him . I think someone's doing a jab and you're just using his thing .

Speaker 1 42:04

Oh gotcha .

Speaker 2 42:06

But talk about . I mean , this book is still on sale . I mean , you can still buy this book for $90 , a pre-owned copy , Geez .

Speaker 1 42:14

On Etsy . Is that more valuable than the Mormon book that we talked about , that they tried to get off the shelves ?

Speaker 2 42:22

Yeah , you can buy that on Amazon for $20 .

Speaker 1 42:24

Oh yeah , nice yeah , we need to buy all these books .

Speaker 2 42:29

I'm not going to buy 88 Reasons for the Getsch . I'm kidding , that's more of a I guess it's more of a collector thing .

Biblical Truth About Christ's Return

Speaker 2 42:37

Yeah , which side tangent can we talk about how insane some collectors are in the collections that they choose to collect ? Yeah , like it's just crazy Talk about . Here's my one thing , because every time I bring it up to somebody they're like you're lying , that's not true . But coin collectors ? Yeah , because , okay , there's a quarter and it's worth 25 cents , right , and if you use it like a quarter happens to be from 1983 .

Speaker 1 43:27

And it has the letter D on it .

Speaker 2 43:29

It has the letter D on it and it doesn't have the brass wear around the lip on the side .

Speaker 1 43:36

And George Washington's ponytail is half an inch long instead of no , no , none of that . You know what I mean though .

Speaker 2 43:43

Yeah , yeah , but like , if it happens to be these certain things , it's made out of silver and it wasn't supposed to be , meaning it was a misprint on silver and those quarters will sell for anywhere between like $300,000 to $4,000 . Right To collectors .

Speaker 1 44:01

And what's so funny is that the value of it is arbitrary because , again , it's only worth truly 25 cents , but the value of it goes up because somebody placed some sort of make-believe number onto it , because they said this is what it's valued at Like somebody raised it to be $4,000 .

Speaker 2 44:25

Like dude . It's still a quarter though . Well , but they've got .

Speaker 1 44:29

I mean , the rarity of the coin is why they say Sure , I have this piece of pocket lit and it's the only one like it in the world . Yeah , and it's been appraised for $300 . Yeah , right now , in the comments , tell me who wants to buy this piece of pocket land . You know what I mean . Like , you can do that with any piece of anything , right , correct ? You can .

Speaker 2 44:52

This is valuable because I said so , because it's a one of a kind well , you remember the we too thing we talked about a couple of weeks ago , the wii 2 . Uh , staple box , staple the switch to or switch to . Why are you saying we ? I don't know dumb the switch to .

Speaker 1 45:12

Somebody stapled it on the box and they had an auction for it and it ended up selling at it for a charity auction for 250 thousand dollars for a video game console that normally costs $400 .

Speaker 2 45:24

Also Charizard Pokemon card .

Speaker 1 45:28

Yeah , because it was a misprint . Yeah , no , it's a piece of cardboard with an image on it . Yeah , it's only valuable because people say it is . Yeah .

Speaker 2 45:39

So we're getting in the weeds here , like I said , said we would , but it's just funny to me that , like we have so much money out here that people are just throwing in that stuff . You know what I mean . Yeah , it's crazy . Like I could not . I cannot wrap my brain around spending whatever they spent on the switch to a broken Switch . 2 . Because it was an internet craze . Because it was an internet craze that you know very good and well , everyone will forget about it next year . Right , no one will remember it will be gone , but in the hype of the moment , everyone was living like it was going to be the next car .

Speaker 1 46:26

Just like the Rapture prediction .

Speaker 2 46:28

Just like Rapture prediction there we go Bringing it back around . Bringing it back around , yeah . So yeah , it's crazy stuff , man . Do you have any other ones you want to touch on ?

Speaker 1 46:39

Yeah , I've got Blood Moon Prophecies . Touch on , yeah , I've got Blood Moon Prophecies , and that was somewhere between . I mean , the prediction was 2014 to 2015 . Okay , john Hagee and others tied a sequence of lunar eclipses to end time prophecy , but nothing happened .

Speaker 2 46:59

Oh yeah , when was that again Sorry 2014 to 2015 .

Speaker 1 47:06

So that was a more recent one . Yeah , what about these ? Like they're not quite biblical , but it's just like these , like end-time predictions that are a little bit more popular . Yeah , like everybody knows about them , type thing , y2k and if you don't know what that is is . Essentially it was predicted that I don't know if it was the end of the world per se it was an apocalyptic event because all the computers would shut down it was because , something like the codes when the computers were developed supposedly didn't know how to switch the clock over when it switched over from 1999 to 2000 .

Speaker 2 47:48

So the prediction was all of technology was just going to stop because the year changed everything , everything that was being run by computers , right , which infrastructure stuff like power , like the water purification systems , planes , planes , all the important things that make our economy move would shut down and never come back and never come back up . And so I mean it got to the point to where people . I mean we did it . We had 50 gallon drums of water down here , we had like eight of them down here , and we had a bunch of canned food and like non-perishable or long shelf life items just set to the side just in case .

Speaker 1 48:35

What's funny to me is the idea of Y2K happening all at the same time . The idea of Y2K happening all at the same time makes no sense because we have time zones , yeah , so if it's happening somewhere , we would know it's coming Correct . Also , another rebuttal to that we are not plugged in technology-wise as a society back then like we are now . So I don't feel like if it did happen , I don't think it would have been as catastrophic as everybody made it out to be . If it did happen Now , if it happened today , with us so deeply plugged in like we are , like all the technology that runs everything , it would be way more catastrophic now , 25 years later yeah , yeah , that's true , and there's 2012 .

Speaker 2 49:28

I was running into the mayan calendar .

Speaker 1 49:31

Which is so funny on that one ? To me , yeah , because all it is is essentially they're saying , oh , the mayan calendar stops here , so this has to be the end of times . They predicted it , but it literally is just that that they just stopped writing the calendar out so far ahead .

Speaker 2 49:51

Is it that , though , or is there not evidence that the reason the calendar stopped here is because they have a prophecy that this is the end ?

Speaker 1 50:03

of the world or whatever . I'm not sure actually , but either way it didn't happen yeah , mayan calendar end date .

Speaker 1 50:13

while you look that up , I've got one here called planet x nabiru . It was an internet conspiracy that a hidden planet would collide with Earth , and they predicted that would happen in 2003 . Then they predicted that would happen in 2012 . Then they predicted that would happen in 2017 , and they were wrong each time . Dang . It's funny , though , because it's like two of those numbers . I wonder what happened in 2003 . Yeah , because 2012 , the Mayan calendar , and then 2017 , what we talked about before the trumpet Feast of the Trumpets , yeah , feast of the Trumpets , yeah . So I wonder what if there was a correlation where something with the stars happened ?

Speaker 2 50:57

right , yeah , that was the event that they said fulfilled the prophecy in Revelation revelation .

Speaker 1 51:03

Well , I'm just saying that like it seems like years are lining up here , so I wonder if it's just like has to do with people looking at the stars and all seeing how the stars are and all agreeing but that something's going to happen , but not agreeing on what was going to happen . Yeah , if that makes sense .

Speaker 2 51:20

Yeah . So my AI overview here for the mayan calendar says the mile long long count calendar cycle concluded on december 21st 2012 , marking the end of a significant 13 backton cycle . Rather than an apocalypse , the calendar is a continuous linear system and its end was comparable to an odometer reaching a specific number signaling a new cycle to begin .

Speaker 1 51:59

Oh , so it went up there and essentially is supposed to then cycle around and start over from the beginning again . Yeah , okay , that's what they're saying now . Oh , supposed to then cycle around and start over from the beginning again . Yeah , okay , is so pretty much saying .

Speaker 2 52:03

Now , oh , beforehand they were saying , okay , it's probably the end of the world , but but December 21st 2012 came and left and they're like , okay , well , so now what is it ? And so this is probably just an explanation , like , oh yeah , well , obviously it wasn't the end of the world , it was actually this , and we never said it was the end of the world .

Speaker 1 52:23

You know like they do yeah , uh , speaking of 2012 , they made that movie based off of the world ending prediction . Yeah , that's one of the dumbest movies I've ever seen . Stupid dude . Like in three different scenes , right , they like something starts happening . The world , quote unquote starts ending , like the grounds opening up volcanoes , whatever . Three different scenes . It's a group of people running as fast as they can to a car . Then they get in the car , they drive as fast as they can get on an airplane and then take off as fast as they can to get away from whatever event happens . They do that three different times where it's just run , run , run , drive , drive , drive , fly , fly , fly Three different times in that movie and when they land right like they fly land , then they have to run car , fly land . It's so stupid .

Speaker 2 53:23

All right . So I want to bring back in and kind of wind down on this note . So I'm going to read Matthew 25 , and it's verses 1 through 13 . Do it , lady . Yeah , and I want to acknowledge that this is after Jesus talking about the final day , and like pretty much all of chapter 24 , is Jesus talking about the final day and this is what he the next thing that he says .

Speaker 2 53:52

Then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom . Five of them were foolish and five were wise . For when the foolish took their lamps , they took no oil with them , but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps . As the bridegroom was delayed , they all became drowsy and slept , but at midnight there was a cry . Drowsy and slept , but at midnight there was a cry here is the bridegroom , come out to meet him . Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps and the foolish said to the wise Give us some of your oil , for our lamps are going out . But the wise answered saying Since there will not be enough for us and for you , go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves . And while they were going to buy , the bridegroom

Living Ready for His Return

Speaker 2 54:48

came and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast and the door was shut . Afterward the other virgins came also saying Lord , lord , open to us . But he answered truly , I is painting the picture very clearly .

Speaker 2 55:18

You will not know the when . You will not know the when , but what you need to be concerned with is it's going to happen . Am I prepared for it to happen ? Predictions and looking at star maps and looking at natural disasters and wars that are going on around the world , and this , that and the other , and then trying to find scriptures to support what you're seeing . How about we focus on this ? How about we focus on who is Christ ? Will I be able to know when he comes , or will I be like a foolish person and delay in his coming ? Or will I be prepared ? When he comes , will I be able to rejoice and say , lord , lord , praise that you have come , thank you for redeeming me , and will he respond to my Lord , lord with enter in good and faithful servant , or will he say depart me ? I never knew you . That's what I want to focus on .

Speaker 2 56:27

I don't want to focus on trying to figure out the day that Jesus will come . I want him to come back tonight , but I want to focus on being prepared , right , I want him to look at me and usher me in and celebrate in my faithfulness , my preparedness for him , rather than him being like I don't know , you , you're not welcome in here . That's for me like the biggest thing , like the only way that you can have confidence in that is if you have a relationship with God . Like if you've got a relationship with God , you're confident in salvation , you're not worried . Yeah , you know , but it's the moment when you are like man , I don't know if I'm going to make it into heaven , I don't know if I'm saved . You know , when I hear that I'm like , well , you , you kind of don't get it . Then , like you're saying , I do these things , I say this stuff and I'm concerned .

Speaker 2 57:25

It's not enough . I'm worried that I'm going to make it and if I'm going to make it into heaven or not . It's like , bro , christ died and did all the work for you to be saved and he calls us to believe in our hearts and profess with our mouth that he is Lord . That is the sign of our salvation and the seal for it is his works through us , not our works . His works through us .

Speaker 1 57:54

Guys , it's free , reach out and take it .

Speaker 2 57:57

Yeah , it's salvation . It is free to receive and the cost is everything , but it's already been paid . But it is free to receive and the cost is everything , but it's already been paid . But it's already been paid , but yeah .

Speaker 1 58:08

So when we talk about works , that should be our new ending , right there in what we just said , what we just said hey , the price has already been paid , just reach out and take it . We are the saints of certain . There you go .

Speaker 2 58:22

Anyway , what was I saying ? I'm sorry , no , you're good . Okay , so yeah , because I've got to put this in here because the Calvinist friends will talk to me later . Works of the Spirit are what occur after salvation . After salvation , when we are saved , we have the pleasure and the joy of listening to the spirit as he leads us and stepping out in what the spirit guides us to do . And why we should have pleasure in that is because it bonds us to God . It grows our relationship and makes it deeper and more rich . But it's not our salvation . We're not saved based on how well we perform . We are saved by Christ alone , through faith alone , but the works after salvation are how we grow and stay in the Lord .

Speaker 2 59:16

Because , I mean , I'm a believer this is where people will disagree with me . I'm a believer that you can reject God , you can reject the Holy Spirit , and that's an unforgivable sin . And so that unforgivable sin looks like this , what we're talking about with the foolish virgins and the wise virgins , where they rejected you know , you could make the interpretation if you will they rejected the Holy Spirit , and so , even though they were under the impression that they would be welcomed into the party with the bridegroom . They delayed in his coming , he came and he left and they knocked on the door and said , lord , lord , let us in . And he says I don't know you Depart . So that's , I guess , what my home run is here is salvation is a gift from God , and when you get saved , when you believe in Christ as your Lord and Savior , he will come into your heart and he will start guiding you down the path of sanctification , growing in a relationship with him . The path of sanctification growing in a relationship with him .

Speaker 1 1:00:24

Guys , you went to the job interview , you got hired . Now it's time to get to work .

Speaker 2 1:00:29

Yeah and well . But to be clear , like , your performance is not what saves you , no , no , it's what keeps you , it's what helps you to stay in that relationship with God , Because if he speaks to you and you listen , you grow together . If God keeps on speaking to you and you keep on ignoring him and rejecting him speaking to you , Right .

Speaker 1 1:00:53

If your boss tells you what to do and you don't do it and you don't show up for work , you're fired .

Speaker 2 1:00:59

I don't know . I feel like we're getting into people . I feel like people will talk . People are going to be like you guys are saying it all wrong . To be clear , this is what we believe Salvation comes through faith by grace . It's only by the grace of God that we are saved and we must believe that he has saved us in order for us to be saved . We cannot do any amount of work to be saved .

Speaker 1 1:01:30

No , you've already being hired . Is the saved in my analogy ?

Speaker 2 1:01:36

Yes , and God will not fire you . You will quit . You will , yeah , you'll reject him in life . I mean , you can quit , you shouldn't ? Yeah , don't quit . Don't quit , guys , keep working . So anyways , to wrap all this up , quit trying to decipher . This is not the Da Vinci Code . Quit trying to decipher when the final day is going to be here .

Speaker 1 1:02:02

Have your heart attitude as though every day is the final day , and something I want to say is like this isn't a scary thing If you've accepted Christ . Oh , yeah , we're good . Yeah , we're good . This is not a scary thing . All these movies , 2012 , like , and all these prophecies like people might try to make it sound like it's like a horror movie . It's the end of days , it's all over . You know what I mean . It's only scary if you haven't accepted Christ , If you haven't chose Christ God .

Speaker 2 1:02:34

For the people that are not following the Lord , it's kind of like this and then for the people that are following God , it's more like this yeah boy . And it's going to happen that quick and I'm going to say this Looks to me like you're on the wrong side of the river .

Speaker 1 1:02:55

How awful would you be if you were in heaven and you're just like shouting across that gap .

Speaker 2 1:03:00

Looks like you're on the wrong side of the river Joe . But I mean , what a troll to end with . You know what I mean . Old things are passing away . The new has come . God's separating the faithful and the unfaithful , and you just hear in the background of all the faithful people of God , and it's Brendan Fraser , and it is Brendan Fraser .

Speaker 2 1:03:22

Looks to me like you're on the wrong side of the river and someone just turns around . Like who's that ? Is that ? Tom Cruise turns around . Who said that ? Oh my gosh , I hope Tom Cruise repents and believes in Jesus Christ Get right , Tom Get right , Tom , Get right Tom . Yeah , anyways , that was a little joke there for the mummy , because Tom Cruise tried to reboot the mummy and did not do well , and also Scientology . Yeah , and also Scientology . It was a double hit .

Speaker 1 1:03:51

Yep , so is that all we got ?

Speaker 2 1:03:56

That's all I got .

Speaker 1 1:03:57

All right , because I got a game . Oh it's , it's not I'm starting to feel like that .

Speaker 1 1:04:05

I'm getting like a stigma around jeris's games we should , uh , we should just create a segment called blindside segment blindside segment , blindside me with a game well , this isn't really actually a game , it's just more of , and I'm not gonna keep score , anything like that . But I'm gonna read a statement , okay , and uh , these are around , these , um prophecies , quote-unquote , prophecies about end times , quote-unquote . And you just got to tell me if it was a real prophecy , that a real prophecy that somebody stated right . Okay , so to be clear , none of these are real prophecies , obviously , but real in the sense that somebody actually stood up and said predicted . It predicted this versus something that I made up , gotcha okay , sorry , just a second .

Speaker 2 1:04:53

Are you ready ?

Speaker 1 1:04:54

yep , and now our feature presentation .

Speaker 2 1:04:59

Psych . Everyone that was listening . Now we're going to do the main topic .

Speaker 1 1:05:03

Welcome to the Saints that Serve podcast , where all we do is play a game . Yeah , All right , Go ahead All right . So in 1988 , a former NASA engineer predicted the rapture would happen and mailed out millions of booklets with the title 88 Reasons why the Rapture Will Be in 1988 . I'm going to say that that really did happen . That really did happen .

Speaker 2 1:05:25

I didn't realize that Edgar was a astronaut .

Speaker 1 1:05:28

Mm-hmm , wow . A group in the 1500s believed the apocalypse would begin when penguins marched in a circle around a mountain in France . I'm going to say , yes , oh , that's the phone . That was pretty well timed .

Speaker 2 1:05:47

I thought you pushed a button . I was like I don't remember putting that on the phone . No , that's your phone . That was the phone .

Speaker 1 1:05:52

That's false . I made that up . Wow , I made that up .

Speaker 2 1:05:54

Wow .

Speaker 1 1:05:55

Mm-hmm . In 1844 , thousands of followers of preacher William Miller expected Christ to return . When nothing happened , it became known as the Great Disappointment . We talked about that already , so yeah , this is also partly a summary of the episode . Oh okay , in 1910 , some Americans panicked when Halley's Comet passed Earth , believing the comet's tail contained poisonous gas that would wipe out humanity .

Speaker 2 1:06:24

That sounds legit , but I'm going to say no .

Speaker 1 1:06:29

It was legit . A 17th century German prophet claimed the end of the world would come when a giant chicken flew across the sky , crowing three times Fake .

Speaker 2 1:06:41

It is

Guess That Prophecy Game

Speaker 2 1:06:42

fake . Okay , there we go . So if it's got a bird in it , it's fake . Maybe , maybe .

Speaker 1 1:06:47

You're building up . My dog's name is Raven . The most outlandish bird interaction is actually legit In 1914 , the Watchtower Society predicted the end of the world would occur when a giant chicken crossed the road no , marking the end of human governments . They predicted it , but it did not come true .

Speaker 2 1:07:09

It did not come true Watchtower is the JWs everybody .

Speaker 1 1:07:12

JWs witnesses . In 1997 , the Heaven's Gate cult believed Earth would be wiped clean and salvation meant joining a spaceship hiding behind the Hal-Bopp comet . Members committed mass unaliving to board it . That is true . That is true . Yes . A medieval monk once predicted the world would end when frogs overran all of Europe , croaking so loudly that it would drown out human voices . False , that is false . In 2012 , panic spread because the Mayan calendar appeared to end on December 21st , leading people to believe it predicted the apocalypse . True , that is true . In 1994 , televangelist Harold Camping predicted the rapture would happen . When it didn't , he revised the date to 2011 , predicting the final judgment day . True , that is true . That's awful .

Speaker 2 1:08:14

I think you got caught on . Whenever there's an animal involved , it's fake .

Speaker 1 1:08:18

I like animals . All right , Leave me alone .

Speaker 2 1:08:19

I'm an animal lover .

Speaker 1 1:08:21

Hey , I was making them too hard , so I had to make them a little bit easier for you . I want you to enjoy my games . Oh , thanks , yeah , but that's all I have .

Speaker 2 1:08:42

I wanted you to enjoy them so much . I didn't have an intro or an outro or really a name for the game , like my games typically have . Guess that rapture , oh , rapture .

Speaker 1 1:08:45

Not all of them were raptures , though they were just like in times . All right , guess that prophecy guess that prophecy ?

Speaker 2 1:08:52

I don't have a game show intro okay , but yeah , but yeah .

Speaker 1 1:08:57

I mean , guys , it's going to happen , be prepared , choose Jesus . Or don't you know ? Ooh , subliminal messages there . I'm just saying , and it's not a scary thing , guys .

Speaker 2 1:09:12

No , being a Christian actually gives you a lot of confidence , Right and comfort .

Speaker 1 1:09:17

You know I just feel like there is a lot of Right and comfort , you know , and I just feel like there is a lot of like fear around it , even for believers of , like the end times , like I'm not , not that they're unprepared to go to heaven , yeah , to be raptured up , but more of they feel like that they have unfinished business here , but it's like , yeah , I'm not , I'm not going to care , like once it happens , it's like that's it , it's a great deception .

Speaker 2 1:09:39

The enemy wants us to be fearful in our freedom in Christ , and that's not what we're supposed to be . That's not the real message of salvation , that's not the gospel message , because you look at the apostles they were excited and celebrated whenever they faced physical persecution . Because they were one step closer , one step closer , and it was like we were considered worthy to be somewhat close to the suffering that our savior underwent to save us . No one in America is thinking that way today . When it comes to the gospel , we're not like man , I hope .

Speaker 1 1:10:21

I get it . I really hope somebody shoots me for God .

Speaker 2 1:10:24

I mean young men , bible studies are that way . They're like man . I hope I face persecution to prove how worthy I am . It's like you know , I've been around that . I've done that a couple times . Like man , I just hope I get to endure suffering . But that's not how it looked . They weren't looking to get in trouble , but when trouble came they were excited . They rejoiced in the suffering . They praised God because they were like , hey , this suffering sucks , but it's fleeting . They were like , hey , this suffering sucks , but it's fleeting , and I am confident in my eternal destination , so confident in it . I do not care what happens in this world . You know what I mean . Yeah , and I think Paul talks about how much stuff he underwent for the sake of just spreading the gospel . Like he was shipwrecked a couple of times . He was beaten with rods on multiple occasions . He was stoned to death . They thought he was dead .

Speaker 1 1:11:27

Yeah .

Speaker 2 1:11:28

You know , he's sickness , storms , snake , bites , all of it . He's gone through all this suffering and he considers it all joy because it was for the sake of the gospel , because the life that he lived was for the Lord and his relationship with God was close to God . And so that's the example that we should choose to emulate as Christians , is , our lives and lifestyles are lived for the Lord , and when we face hardship and hard times , we're not fearful , we rejoice so , yep .

Speaker 1 1:12:10

All right . Well , that has been episode 50 . The big five-oh . We did it guys . Episode 50 of the Saints That-0 . We did it guys . Episode 50 of the Saints that Serve podcast . Don't forget to be on the lookout for episode 52 , our one-year anniversary episode . Alright , do you have anything else ? That's all I've got . That's all I've got . Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now .

Speaker 2 1:12:37

We are the saints that serve .

Speaker 1 1:12:40

Come on , don't be crazy .

Speaker 2 1:13:22

Oh , yeah , all righty .