Speaker 2: 0:02

Welcome to the Saints that Serve, podcast where, each week, your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith, culture and the unknown.

Speaker 1: 0:15

Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now. We are the Saints that Serve. Welcome to a really far away. Saints that Serve podcast.

Speaker 2: 0:48

I'm your host, jairus, and with me is my co-host, johnny, who is really close. Oh my gosh, I I didn't. I knew you were doing a bit, but I didn't know what bit you were doing.

Speaker 1: 0:56

It's so funny, isn't it? It's a hilarious bit. He this is episode 47 of the saints that serve podcast.

Speaker 2: 1:06

That's right, baby. He was like, okay, we're gonna start. And then he stood up and walked away. I was like wait a minute, what's going on? And then he started shouting at the mic. That's right, john. Do you got any?

Speaker 1: 1:21

hey, john you got any announcements. But hey, john, you got any announcements. Bud we pray for you every Friday.

Speaker 2: 1:29

So if you need prayer for anything, reach out. You can email us at saintsatserve at gmailcom, you can text us through the direct messaging link in the show description or you can reach out to us on social media. Just let us know what you need prayer for and we will pray for you.

Speaker 1: 1:49

That's right. Hey, I'm back. Hey, welcome back. Hey, I hope I didn't upset your goats.

Speaker 2: 1:53

Now she's back in the atmosphere. Do it, lady. Crowns are duper in our hair, hair, hair, hair. Yeah, that's all the announcements we have, other than maybe sometime in the future we'll get some Saints the Play action going on.

Speaker 1: 2:10

Yeah, we're getting closer and closer, inching a little bit closer every single time we record an episode.

Speaker 2: 2:16

Figuring it out and then make sure you join us for episode 52.

Speaker 1: 2:21

52. That is only five episodes away from this current release. That's right, I almost said recording.

Speaker 2: 2:29

But We'll have two guests on and we'll try to do like a focused, like recap, because that'll be our one year.

Speaker 1: 2:36

One year of doing the Saints that Serve podcast.

Speaker 2: 2:39

Yep, so we'll, we'll, yeah, just have a couple of people on and we'll talk about all of our fun and difficult and weird stuff that we've done for the past year.

Speaker 1: 2:51

And a gentle reminder. Coming up relatively soon in the next month or so will be our results of our summer movie draft.

Speaker 2: 3:00

Yeah, so that's a bonus episode. Yeah, so that's a bonus episode. If you want to go scroll through the catalog, you can pull up where Jairus, ashley and myself all did a draft for the summer movie releases to see whose picks would make the most money.

Speaker 1: 3:15

That's right. So go back, listen to that, hear what movies we each drafted into our picks and then tune in soon. Yeah, we'll, we'll give them another reminder, but just kind of like almost. I mean it's past the midway mark, but we're pretty much past all of the major releases, but we still do have movies coming out that are on our list.

Speaker 2: 3:40

I think that they come out through like. I think it was like September 5th.

Speaker 1: 3:44

Yeah, so I think probably be on the lookout around probably October-ish for that to come out, because we want to give all our movies time to make some money.

Speaker 2: 3:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:57

It's funny, me and Ashley we pick movies now based off of. This is not Johnny's movie. That's so dumb. We did go see naked gun the naked gun.

Speaker 2: 4:10

We did go and watch that which is one of your movies.

Speaker 1: 4:13

Spoiler to the the draft, but that movie was really funny.

Speaker 2: 4:17

It was really funny. We'll have to do a review of it, maybe a bonus episode or someone, because it was funny enough to talk about.

Speaker 1: 4:23

To talk about, yeah, yeah I mean we, I mean the whole theater, the whole time laughing at everything yeah, it's rare to go see a movie that the whole theater is enjoying. Yes, laughing like sometimes just people like just sitting there watching it. But no, everybody was laughing at this movie.

Speaker 2: 4:41

Yes, yeah, it was good, but yeah, that's fun. We only have really one thing prepared for tonight.

Speaker 1: 4:53

That's right and that's what we're going to spend our entire time talking about. So, just like last week where we talked about Marvel Tyler, this is your transition into DC, the DCU. Well, you did DCU, I did all of DC, because DCU is not a lot to talk about comparatively.

Speaker 2: 5:14

Oh, okay. Well, yeah, we'll do all of DC then.

Speaker 1: 5:16

Yeah, cool, cool. So starting out with DC, I have. Where is that in my notes?

Speaker 2: 5:25

Let's go back to a simpler time 1950.

Speaker 1: 5:30

No, you're actually incorrect 1934.

Speaker 2: 5:35

Whoa, who was the first superhero? Was it Superman?

Speaker 1: 5:41

I'm not sure. Actually, it was founded in 1934 as National Allied Publications. Then, four years later, they changed it to Detective Comics. Detective Comics that's what DC stands for, my guy Nice, you know they, you know it, you know it. First major success was Action Comics number one, which is under the DC publication Mm-hmm. So they made comics before this, but their first major one was Action Comics number one in 1938. Do you know who was the main character of Action Comics?

Speaker 2: 6:20

Superman. Did you look it up? Well, I was trying to figure out who the first superhero was, and this AI result was DC Comics continuity. Superman is generally considered the first DC superhero. His debut occurred in Action Comics number one on April 18th 1938.

Speaker 1: 6:39

So to answer my question yeah, you looked it up.

Speaker 2: 6:41

Yes, I did look it up. I was literally looking it up as you were posing me the question.

Speaker 1: 6:46

I was like oh, and then, after the fact, right one year later, their next major superhero came out in Detective Comics number 27. What superhero was?

Speaker 2: 7:02

in Detective Comics number 27? Batman, it was Batman.

Speaker 1: 7:04

Yeah, I remember you struggled with that one, so I can tell, you didn't look that one up, I did not look that one up. And then, over time, you got heroes like Wonder Woman, flash, green Lantern, aquaman, martian Manhunter. Okay, here's my thing with DC. Okay, I think the characters are better than Marvel. Ooh, hot take, hot take. I think the characters and stories are better than Marvel.

Speaker 2: 7:29

But Is that just because you like detective work?

Speaker 1: 7:32

I do. I do a lot of detective work.

Speaker 2: 7:34

Well, you like escape rooms.

Speaker 1: 7:35

Yeah, they're a lot of fun Problem solving puzzle. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. The movies Marvel's movies are better than dc's movies. Yeah, but I think the characters are better, and that is even going with people saying that superman is what they call a mary sue or a character who is like just way, just overpowered.

Speaker 2: 7:58

Yeah, and over the years I think superman has gotten better written that he's not overpowered yeah just opinion yeah, it's that he's gotten less overpowered, but it's just because they've brought more insane people into the play.

Speaker 2: 8:16

I see what you're saying people who are stronger villain that stronger villains, stronger, stronger co-heroes, stronger neutral anomalies. Like when he first came out, I feel like it was hey, this guy is super and he's fighting burglars, you know, yeah, and saving cats from trees, and saving cats from trees, yeah. So it was like, yeah, like nothing, there's no way for him to be combated. But as time rolls on, it's like you know things like um dark side. And come on, help me with some other villains that are like super overpowered as well. Lex, luther, lex, you think it's because he's got money.

Speaker 2: 9:06

Dark side what's the? What's the destroyer? One, and that's a Superman.

Speaker 1: 9:12

Oh doomsday doomsday.

Speaker 1: 9:13

Thank you, that's what I was trying to think of mm-hmm yeah, doomsday, dark side, altar Superman or whatever is bizarroizarro, bizarro, there we go, bizarro, yeah, I don't know, like, when you're talking about Superman being overpowered. I really think it's gotten better, because in this new Superman movie it does not feel like any point that he's just going to one-punch them Like, like, like Saitama, like Saitama, it was turned down, hold on, say it again. Like Saitama, saitama, there we go. Like you do have that trope, and One Punch man is a parody of superhero, overpowered superheroes, where you know he comes in and literally punches them.

Speaker 1: 10:02

One time and Superman used to do that where it was like there was a problem, it was like kind of a buildup and a hype moment or just you know, a cliffhanger, kind of moment of getting you on edge, and then Superman shows up and saves the day. Yeah, and that's not what this new superman movie is. You know what I mean. He's actually kind of in a way that feels realistic, struggling against what he's fighting and doing and in the moments, don't ever feel like it's more than just kryptonite and this is the most recent superman movie that just came out yes, 2025 with david corn sweat as superman yep, all right, I respect that.

Speaker 2: 10:46

side note. I'm, low-key, frustrated with the fact that they still have not released the english dub of season three of One Punch. I don't even think they've brought out the Japanese release. So yeah, just no season three yet. Yeah Well, because it's like they were working on it and then apparently it changed studios for creation and then the studio, I don't know, there was like some creative problems or whatever, so they had to redo stuff or something. I don't know. There was like some creative problems or whatever, so they had to redo stuff or something, I don't know. But basically it was like it was almost ready and it was about to be released and then they didn't release it.

Speaker 1: 11:28

We could have an entire episode just on One Punch man. Yeah, we could.

Speaker 2: 11:32

Maybe someday soon. We already talked about the One Piece, so might as well.

Speaker 1: 11:38

Anime part seven, because we talk about anime all the time.

Speaker 2: 11:40

Yeah, but uh, yeah, so superman pretty cool dude who's.

Speaker 1: 11:47

I was gonna say I think I was about to ask the same question do you like superman or batman?

Speaker 2: 11:53

I think I like Batman more because I guess he's more relatable.

Speaker 1: 12:03

So you've lost your parents, and then you dress up as a bat.

Speaker 2: 12:06

No, in the sense that he doesn't have superpowers.

Speaker 1: 12:10

But he figures out, batman's superpower is money, that's right.

Speaker 2: 12:14

No, like you know, people like to make fun of Batman and there's kind of the trope of he's the dark brooding guy kind of deal. But I mean, if you just look at his MO, it's all about hey, there's wrong, it needs to be righted, and I'm going to do it, but I'm going to do it the right way. Batman's big thing is that he doesn't kill anybody, he doesn't use guns and he doesn't kill anybody. He has, I guess in some of the comics, killed some people.

Speaker 1: 12:42

Yeah, it depends on what storyline you're watching. Yeah, because when it comes to comics, you're going to have so many different alternate universes and storylines. Yeah, and that's kind of like okay, I really like the DCEU U lines. Yeah, and that's kind of like okay, I really like the dcu. Okay, you eu, whatever. I think it's dceu, right, dceu, detective comics, extended universe, entertainment universe, I think I'm not sure. The um, the snyder, you know zach snyder movies, the one that just got canceled and I'm kind of upset about. Yeah, so we started with man of Steel and then we went to Batman versus Superman, then Wonder Woman. We got that movie.

Speaker 2: 13:27

Just Wonder Woman, just Wonder Woman. And then was it the Justice League, and then Wonder Woman 1980, whatever or league.

Speaker 1: 13:38

And then wonder woman, 1980, whatever. Or man of steel, batman versus superman, dawn of justice, suicide squad, wonder woman, justice league. Aquaman, shazam, birds of prey, the suicide squad. So the sequel, black adam, the flash. Aquaman 2, likeen Kingdom, or something like that I think. And then Shazam 2, fury of the Gods.

Speaker 2: 14:02

Those are your DCEU movies and you said you didn't like the second Aquaman right.

Speaker 1: 14:10

Not really. It was better than the Flash. Yeah, it definitely was. To me, the last good DCEU movie was Black Adam, and that ends on such a cool cliffhanger that we'll never see results from. Yeah, unfortunately, Like I guess again spoiler warning on things. We'll be talking about different movies and properties and storylines and stuff, but it's like you hype up this moment of Superman coming in to fight Black Adam, yeah, and then we'll never see a result of it.

Speaker 2: 14:50

We'll never see who won.

Speaker 1: 14:52

I think in the comics Superman did Well, yeah, superman always wins. Yeah, but whatever, even when the comics, superman did Well, yeah, superman always wins.

Speaker 2: 14:57

Yeah, but whatever, even when he dies, he wins.

Speaker 1: 15:01

Yeah, because he comes back. All right, I really like the Zack Snyder stories. Yeah, yeah, and people get upset about it, like Batman versus Superman. There's a part where Batman grabs a gun from somebody and shoots some light bulbs out. Right, he doesn't actually really shoot anybody. Yeah, and people are really mad. Like batman doesn't use guns, like, but in this he did so depends on they never in the universe.

Speaker 1: 15:26

They never established in this particular universe that this batman does not like using guns, because he's like in the justice league, he's using his car and shooting like tank bullets and killing these alien creatures. So it's like in the justice league, he's using his car and shooting like tank bullets and killing these alien creatures.

Speaker 2: 15:39

So it's like and then he uses a gun, one of the alien guns, to shoot an aliens yeah so it's like they never established that this batman didn't like guns.

Speaker 1: 15:47

So you can't have that generalized plot point because it's established in a different story.

Speaker 2: 15:56

I think that's the problem with comic books in general is it's like if people get upset about the way that one superhero is presented, it's because they wanted this specific version of that superhero To be something they're not. Well, but no, that's what I'm saying is in this movie, where they announced that this superhero was coming, was going to be in the movie. They're like, oh, I want the Batman from comic book edition, whatever, whatever. But then they get the Batman from comic book edition over here, yeah. And so it's like I don't like that.

Speaker 2: 16:33

Batman. Yeah, it's like, well, that's not true to the story. It's like, well, you've only read these books, you haven't read the other ones.

Speaker 1: 16:40

So yeah, there's a really cool moment in the Justice League TV show the cartoon that came out like in the early 2000s, yeah, where Dead man, which is like a dead ghost man, uh wow, yeah, somebody's about to shoot like one of the justice league members, so he possesses batman quickly and then grabs another gun and shoots the the guy and it's like this really great moment of like Batman used a gun, but it wasn't really Batman and he's like he's really upset but he didn't actually do it. Yeah, it didn't. I don't even think it killed the dude either. You know you want to talk about the animated side of things. Let's do it Because, though I really liked the DC movies, what DC does so much better than Marvel is their animated movies that they put out, yeah, and they're like DC has always had way better cartoons, yeah, and I mean I guess that's my opinion on things.

Speaker 2: 17:48

What's your favorite TV series cartoon from DC.

Speaker 1: 17:52

Batman, the animated series Okay, that one came out in 1992 and aired through 1995.

Speaker 2: 18:00

I thought you were a Teen Titans Go kind of guy.

Speaker 1: 18:03

I will punch you. I hate that show so much. Oh, it's so stupid. I know that that show is made for me. That show is made for me, right, because I loved Teen Titans when it was coming out yeah, I like when the original teen titans was coming out, yeah. And then they made this and it's literally a parody on all these different moments of like teen titans and all these different like pop culture references. Like they make fun of the joker, they'll make a joke. That's like oh, now I'm gonna be keaton, not keaton. Um, now I'm going to be Jack Nicholson, I'll be Jack Nicholson's Joker, and then another character will be like and I'll be Jared Leto. I want to put these scars on you. It's stuff like that and it really is made for DC fans. Yeah, teen Titans Go is, and it just rubs me the wrong way and I hate that show so much. It's so annoying. That's funny. But batman, the animated series, that is the one where we got the definitive voice actor for the definitive voice for batman and the definitive voice for the Joker.

Speaker 2: 19:13

Okay.

Speaker 1: 19:14

Kevin Conroy voicing Batman, and Mark Hamill. Luke Skywalker does the voice for the Joker and he sets that standard for the voice of the Joker at that point in Forevermore and you can see those influences on these other actors who end up playing the Joker and everything else. Yeah, heath Ledger, jared Leto, jared Leto, jared Leto, but you know what I mean. Like Jack Nicholson, you kind of see that in his Joker a little bit, but not as much. Side note, actually, I think Jack Nicholson's Joker came out before Mark Hamill played the Joker.

Speaker 2: 19:55

Is there a Jared Leto character that you like? In all the movies that Jared Leto's been in, has there been anything that you like that he's?

Speaker 1: 20:06

portrayed. He did all right in Blade Runner. Okay, that sequel where he kind of plays the villain.

Speaker 2: 20:16

I was just thinking about, we were talking about superheroes. I was thinking about how he was in Morbius and how he is Joker in Suicide Squad. I'm like I don't like either of those. I don't think Jared Leto did very good.

Speaker 1: 20:31

He's going to play in the new Tron movie. Why didn't they just bring back all the people they had in Tron legacy? I don't know. The trailer for Ares does look good, though.

Speaker 2: 20:43

Tron Ares the guy I cannot remember his name, but the young guy, the main character.

Speaker 1: 20:50

Flynn, maybe Finn I. I gotta to rewatch Tron. Those movies are great.

Speaker 2: 20:56

I feel like, if I remember correctly, he's in I Am Number Four. Yeah, I feel like he was a pretty good actor. Yeah, they should bring him.

Speaker 1: 21:06

He should be in more movies, just bring back his character, because it looks like they might be bringing back, probably in CG form, jeff Daniels, not Jeff Daniels, jeff Bridges.

Speaker 2: 21:17

Yeah, character.

Speaker 1: 21:18

Okay, because he was in the original Tron. He came back for the sequel and it looks like he's going to be in this one as well.

Speaker 2: 21:24

Crazy. I think it's funny because they did an animated series and they put out like one or two seasons and then they canceled it, not because it wasn't doing well, but because they weren't reaching their target audience, which was kids, because all the adults which was kids, it was all adults. Everyone tuning in was adult males from 18 to I think it was like 27.

Speaker 1: 21:46

Yeah, all the people who actually can appreciate.

Speaker 2: 21:48

Tron. Yeah, exactly, and they were like we love it, we love it, and then they canceled it because kids weren't watching it. And Elijah Wood was like was like no, my tron, because he was voice acting the main character what is your favorite dc movie, uh, tv show property?

Speaker 2: 22:08

in general, I could be a game I really like the first aquaman with Jason Momoa. We're going to set aside the fact that Amber Heard is in the movie, because her I mean before the whole thing with Johnny Depp her is just a actress I just couldn't get into it. Yeah, she didn't. I don't feel like she did very well, but uh, yeah, outside of her, which she's in a large portion of the movie.

Speaker 1: 22:45

I mean, she is the main love interest in that film.

Speaker 2: 22:48

Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I like, yeah, I like that movie and then what else. You know, when I was younger I really liked the Justice League Unlimited that series.

Speaker 1: 23:04

So let's get into that a little bit. So what you're talking about is actually part of a larger animated universe they created in the 90s. Yeah, so it started with the show I was talking about, the Batman the Animated Series, mm-hmm. Then they had a Superman Animated Series. Yep, they rebooted the Batman Animated Series, keeping the cast of characters, but they kind of redesigned them. It was the new Batman the Animated Series is what it was called. It was essentially another season, but they redid all the designs of the characters. Yeah, and those character designs kind of carried over to Justice League. Yeah, and within Justice League, that is the same Batman that is in the Batman animated series, like all the things that he's been through. It's that Batman and the same Superman and same design. That carried over to that. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:57

Then they had a show called static shock. Did you ever watch that? No, no, that was really good, okay. And then a like it was like a 10 episode show called the zeta project about a robot trying to blend in with society interesting. And then they had the Justice League Unlimited, which is just a carry-on, where the Justice League was just the team of six dealing with things. Justice League Unlimited was where they finally started bringing in all the superheroes to work within the Justice League. Yeah, so each episode— Moved to outer space. They were always in outer space In Justice League. They were also in outer space. Oh, they moved to. Okay, I mean that's kind of where the watchtower was always at.

Speaker 2: 24:40

Yeah, what am I thinking of? Where they had a base?

Speaker 1: 24:43

You're probably thinking of the Super Friends that your kids watch.

Speaker 2: 24:48

Yeah, maybe that's it. Can we talk about the irony of that episode that they were watching while we were in the background? Which one was that? They? I think it's episode three, but basically the premise of the episode is they come out with super advanced technology and robots and artificial intelligence are doing everything. So people don't have to go to work, they can just stay at home. Kids don't have to go to school, they can just do school through the TV. And this, I mean this came out in the 1950s. So it's like you see a kid on a tube TV, in a hammock doing school, saying he's doing school work On Zoom. Everything gets delivered to the house, you don't have to go to the grocery store or nothing, and so it was like in the 1950s. This coming out sounds impossible.

Speaker 1: 25:34

Well, and it's funny because all of it was kind of done in jest and in parody, essentially saying this is the goofy world. You know what I mean? We don't want to get to this point because everybody's lazy, yeah. And then here you are, 60 years later, exactly that, yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:51

We've pretty much completely obtained what they were making fun of in that episode. It's fun, but anyways sorry, Continue.

Speaker 1: 25:59

No, you're good. So you know, the Justice League show Unlimited just had all of the characters coming together in different stories and it was good. It was a good show.

Speaker 2: 26:10

I enjoyed the back and forth between Green Arrow and Batman. Yeah, because they're both. They don't have superpowers, but they're both super rich and they're caped crusaders with masks going around doing detective work and fighting crime and what's cool is what that ends on is an attack.

Speaker 1: 26:30

so, where marvel had dark side, yeah, sorry geez. When Marvel had Thanos, yeah, dc has a villain called Darkseid, darkseid, darkseid, and so he invades and it's like one of the coolest moments. Yeah, and they do it just for the sake of being cool because, like, logically, it makes no sense. But he goes into like a huge fight with Darkseid. Superman does? He tells him, he says this is a really rare opportunity for me to really cut loose. Yeah, and he's. He just beats the ever loving snot out of dark side and he's just like, yeah, I don't usually get to like go full out like this and just annihilates dark side. And it's like in my mind, when you're watching it, you're like, oh, that's so cool. Yeah, and we start thinking about it logically and everybody around is like what about all the other times where you were watching people get the crap beat out of them?

Speaker 2: 27:26

yeah, and you're just standing around and you're holding back or all the time you were getting the crap beat out of you and you were holding back.

Speaker 1: 27:33

Yeah, but yeah, but that was kind of like the last final fight in that show and it was so cool like that. That animated franchise thing kind of really ended well. Yeah, I think they're still ended on a bit of a cliffhanger and they could have made more, but they never really did I, uh.

Speaker 2: 27:53

The one thing that I just don't understand about Darkseid is his laser vision. It just zig zags everywhere. It's like heat seeking, like zig zags around and like does it, he controls it.

Speaker 1: 28:05

That's the thing. Yeah, he shoots it and he's it goes wherever he wants it to go.

Speaker 2: 28:09

That's why it zigzags but that's the thing, it's not it, yeah, it's, it's. He doesn't move his eyes. It's like he's moving it with his mind.

Speaker 1: 28:17

Yeah, it's shooting out of his eyes, but he's moving it, it's one continuous laser beam too, yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:22

Just like Superman's, but Superman has to move his head to move the beams, whereas Darkseid doesn't have to move his head.

Speaker 1: 28:30

Yeah, so. So, speaking of characters right, we are speaking of characters, speaking of just all the DC characters it's time for one of our favorite new games here on the show. This one's called DC or Not DC. We're diving deep into the comic book weirdness vault to test whether john can tell the difference between legit, obscure dc characters and total nonsense we made up or swap from another universe entirely you know, someday in the near future I'm gonna make a game, yeah, and it's gonna catch you off guard.

Speaker 1: 29:13

yeah, so yeah, john had no idea I had this game prepared. I just surprised him with it, as I do with most games that you bring.

Speaker 1: 29:22

So I'm going to read the name and description of a so-called character. Allegedly Some are 100% real, pulled straight from the DC Comics movies or shows, and some are either from other comic book publishers or completely made up by me. Okay, oh boy. Okay, I don't. Dc's been around for nearly a century. They've got a guy who welds dead dogs to criminals. I'm not even kidding, that is a real case. Yeah, so let's see how well you really know your bat mythos, kryptonian trivia and silver age strangeness. Are you ready to play dc or not DC? I'm as ready as ever. Let's do this. So your first character is Color Kid. Color Kid, color Kid. This superhero can change the color of anything, but that's about it. Is that DC or not DC? I'm going to say DC. That is, in fact say DC. That is in fact DC. Next one Chairman Mallet. Chairman Mallet he is a crime-fighting vigilante who delivers justice with a wooden mallet and sits only on truth.

Speaker 2: 30:53

Sits only on truth. That's right. I'm going to say that is not DC.

Speaker 1: 30:59

That is in fact 100% made up.

Speaker 2: 31:03

It got me with the chairman mallet, and then it doesn't have anything to do with the chair. Yeah, chairman.

Speaker 1: 31:09

He sits on the yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah, dog welder, a silent vigilante who literally welds dead dogs to criminals' faces.

Speaker 2: 31:19

You gave that one away, yeah, I did, I, did, didn't I?

Speaker 1: 31:21

Yeah, all right, it is what if I said not real. Then we'd be going back to the Mountain Dew debacle. Yep, yep, oh man, stilt man, a villain who commits crimes using a metal suit with telescoping legs so he can walk above cities.

Speaker 2: 31:43

That sounds legit. So I'm going to say DC.

Speaker 1: 31:46

It is legit, but it's not DC. Ugh, what is it? It's Marvel. It's a Marvel villain who battles Daredevil oh stupid. Next one, zebra man, a striped villain whose body emits electromagnetic waves and can repel anything. Think Magneto.

Speaker 2: 32:09

I don't know, dude, I'm going to say not, it is in fact DC.

Speaker 1: 32:17

It's a real Batman villain. He appeared in Detective Comets number 275 in 1960.

Speaker 2: 32:24

Great.

Speaker 1: 32:26

We got four more.

Speaker 2: 32:27

Okay.

Speaker 1: 32:28

So next one is Nark Nark Yep, a caveman frozen in ice and revived in modern times, now fighting crime alongside the Teen Titans. I'm going to say not, that is in fact DC. The next one is Beef Supreme no, you didn't even let me read it. Let me read it. A genetically enhanced super soldier who runs entirely on protein shakes. No, yeah, no, I made that up. We got three more. All right. The next one, the Red Bee, a 1940s hero who fights crime with trained bees, including one named Michael that lives in his belt. What?

Speaker 2: 33:17

Would you like me to reread it? No, I'm processing it.

Speaker 1: 33:25

The Red Bee.

Speaker 2: 33:28

I'm going to say yes.

Speaker 1: 33:31

It is in fact DC. All right, great. Next one we have Tin-Eyed man. Tin-eyed man, that sounds like a munchkin card. Yeah, a villain whose optic nerves were rerouted to his fingertips so he sees through his hands Is he a hero or a villain?

Speaker 2: 33:51

He's a villain. That sounds legit. I'm going to say DC. That is in fact DC.

Speaker 1: 33:56

say DC, that is in fact DC. He was a Batman villain.

Speaker 2: 33:59

Of course Batman gets all the weirdos.

Speaker 1: 34:03

Next one we have Matter Eater Lad. Matter Eater Lad, matter Eater Lab, a superhero who can eat anything Metal concrete. You name it, not DC, that is in fact, fact DC Dang. And then we have our last one. This one's called the Heckler, a masked wisecracker who annoys criminals into submission with banter and bright colors.

Speaker 2: 34:32

Not DC.

Speaker 1: 34:33

That is in fact DC Dang. So let me see how many you got right here. Not enough, I gave you 11 by accident. Oh, so out of the 11 that I gave you, you got 5, right, dang, that's a failing grade. Right there, it's a failing grade. Sorry, bud, it's okay. So that was DC or not DC. Thank you for joining.

Speaker 2: 34:58

Thank you, just so everybody knows, I haven't really played any DC games, I have not read any of the comic books and I've only watched a handful of the different animated and live action.

Speaker 1: 35:16

So what you're saying is you're not a real fan.

Speaker 2: 35:18

Yeah, not a big fan. I enjoy some of the stuff, but I haven't watched a whole lot of it.

Speaker 1: 35:25

So I have a couple more. I tried to do 10, but I had 20 here. Dang yeah, for time's sake, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, do you want to hear some of these names? Yes, just real quick, I'll give you names. You don't have to guess or not, unless you're interested. We had Flesh Torch. We had Flesh Torch, maggot, amazing man, cheese Blade, hell Cow, the Wall-Eyed Warden and Brother Power the Geek.

Speaker 2: 35:59

Brother Power the Geek.

Speaker 1: 36:05

A mannequin struck by lightning that became a hippie superhero, and that was real. Oh man, do you want to? Uh, you want to talk about some of the shows, like the live action shows. Oh, yeah, yeah, I think. I really think that dc has so much more properties out there than yeah, than Did you ever watch Smallville.

Speaker 2: 36:29

No, but I had some siblings that watched it.

Speaker 1: 36:33

I think that's probably the best Superman TV show, I think Okay, I mean it ran longer than Superman and Lois, Lois and Clark.

Speaker 2: 36:46

I think they did a. I haven't watched the Lois and Clark show. I think they did an O2 Smallville in one of those episodes, gotcha. So I think Lex Luthor like goes to another dimension or another reality.

Speaker 1: 37:00

So Lois and Clark came out in the 90s, oh, and Superman and Lois came out recently.

Speaker 2: 37:08

Maybe it's Superman and Lois then I just saw a snippet of it, but basically it goes to an alternate reality, to another Superman, and it's the actor who plays in Smallville. He's just an adult.

Speaker 1: 37:19

Yeah, Is that the one where he's like he tries to get like kill Superman, but he had gave up his powers?

Speaker 2: 37:24

Yeah, he gave up his powers and so kryptonite didn't doesn't affect him. Yeah, but he can still punch like a man yeah, and he punched luther like a man.

Speaker 1: 37:33

Uh, arrow. I watched a little bit of arrow, me too. In the same way, with the flash, I watched a little bit of the flash. Yeah, I didn't watch any of the supergirl.

Speaker 2: 37:45

I think when they came out with the Justice League and they cast the actor that they cast, everyone was confused.

Speaker 1: 37:52

They really should have just cast the guy from the Flash.

Speaker 2: 37:54

They should have used the guy from the TV series the Flash. Yeah, because he did such a good job. He did a good job and, to be honest, the actor who played the Flash, he's a weirdo.

Speaker 1: 38:08

He's a weirdo and I don't think he did a good job. No, that was probably one of the only few actors who just did not do the role like any justice at all yeah, pun intended, he just didn't feel like the flash.

Speaker 2: 38:16

He felt like an actor you would see in like a teen bop movie, who's like an uncomfortable quirky guy yeah you know and that just doesn't. That doesn't come across as the flash to me and anything else that I've seen the flash in he's not that way. So yeah, that was that was. It was weird the choice that they made there. But anyways, yeah, I haven't watched any of the tv series or of supergirl uh, so arrow the flash and Supergirl are all in the same TV universe.

Speaker 1: 38:51

Yeah, then they had Titans, I think, one other show, and then what is it? Bat Woman? Bat Woman might have been part of it, but Bat Woman got canceled, I think, before it actually came out.

Speaker 2: 39:06

I think it came out like one or two episodes.

Speaker 1: 39:08

What am I trying to think of? It's the. I'm blanking on the name of it. I don't have the notes for it, but it was like in Titans they meet Beast Boy and he's part of the man. What is it called? Doom Patrol?

Speaker 2: 39:24

Doom Patrol.

Speaker 1: 39:25

Yeah, is it called doom patrol, doom patrol? Yeah, so there was like a spin like all those characters from doom patrol ended up getting their own show when they met the doom patrol group, gotcha, okay, so that I watched a lot of titans. I ended up I think I watched through season four and I think there's six seasons now. Okay, I kind of fell off watching it because it is one of those hyper violent, it's not made for kids type show yeah and it was entertaining.

Speaker 1: 39:53

It told the titan story and it's just like after a while I'm like I can't keep watching this yeah, I watched, I think, the first two episodes of gotham, where batman's yet where everybody's young yeah, gotham was more about the commission.

Speaker 1: 40:08

Yeah, commissioner Gordon, detective Gordon, and then it's just like, over time they did have that kid who played Bruce Wayne and he, as he grew older, he became a more main character in the show. Yeah, but like when he first came in, he was like a 10 year old and by the show in, when the show ended or at this point I'm not sure if it actually stopped running, but 2019 is when it ended so by the time the show ended, bruce Wayne was an 18-year-old, so still not old enough to be Batman, but he was trying to do Batman things. Yeah, but I watched a good bit of that. That was a good show, yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:44

I mean, batman's got to start somewhere. Yeah, can't all be Christian Bale in his 30s, can't always be Christian Bale in his 30s, you're right. I saw a snippet for a Batman animation called Ninja Batman vs Yakuza.

Speaker 1: 41:05

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 41:05

Have you seen that? No, but I know what you're talking about. It's not to be confused with Samurai, batman or Ninja.

Speaker 1: 41:13

Batman.

Speaker 2: 41:14

Yeah, the first one.

Speaker 1: 41:15

Yeah, it's another one that is about to come out, or just came out. It just came out I think, yeah, I haven't seen it, but I know what you're talking about. So DC, has I talked about the animated TV shows, right, the Batman animated series up to Justice League Unlimited. We've talked about the movies. We've talked about the TV shows Live action TV shows. Live action TV shows. We've talked about the cartoons, but they also have a canonical it's like 20 direct to dvd animated movies where all the stories connect.

Speaker 1: 41:50

And when you say animated you mean anime, no, animated like a cartoon, american made cartoon, american made cartoon yeah, yeah and so, like it starts out like with the flash, starting flashpoint, yes, which is like a major, yeah, the flashpoint paradox. Yeah, that's the, that's the first one. And then it ends with them erasing all universes through like a catastrophic event, and so it's like 23 movies later, it's like this wave and it's erasing all these different timelines from from the universe and it's showing the all these things that you loved yeah, teen titans and the all the animated series and all these different things that had the classic um, what's his name? The old 60s batman? Yeah, uh, he got erased and, like it was crazy, they were just erasing everything in this like final, final moment, dang, it was crazy, yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:49

Did you ever watch that? I've watched some of them. I watched the Flashpoint.

Speaker 1: 42:54

Sorry, the old 60s Batman. Oh no, with Adam West. No, I haven't. That was great. That was Batman before. Batman was dark and gritty and it was this really like like just colorful children's show and it was. It's hilarious to watch now it, but it's an animation no, it's live action.

Speaker 1: 43:12

So okay, the live action one yeah, where the guy who plays the joker, they like this is back when batman had no rules and they just kind of did whatever. The guy who played the joker didn't want to shave his mustache, the actor, so this joker has just like paint over his mustache and they're like they're trying to pose it as him having, um, you know, just a flat white face painted. You can easily see the hair. That's funny, like even to the point where they in like action figures down the years. Yeah, they actually have his mustache on the action figures. That's so funny, it's really funny. That's a lot of people's classic Batman. Yeah, yeah, where me and yours is probably Val Kilmer. Yeah, val Kilmer, george Clooney, you know Clooney. George Clooney played Batman in two movies. Both of them were awful. Yeah, I think you're thinking of there was George Clooney, val Kilmer and one more that played in that four movies in the 90s.

Speaker 2: 44:18

Yeah, I'm frustrated that I can't think of his name. He plays Vulture in Spider-Man. Homecoming Michael Keaton Michael Keaton, there we go. Michael Keaton, I believe, was the first First live-action Batman movie, mm-hmm, and he did the first two movies.

Speaker 1: 44:33

He did the first two movies With Joker and then the second one was with Catwoman and the Penguin. The Penguin, yeah. So those movies again, it's so cool and weird, like what they put out, like there's so we. It's so cool and weird, the like what they put out, like there's so many like standalone things. And then they have movies that are like four batman movies in the 90s that are just all kind of part of the same storyline, all batman played by four, like three different people. Yep, like animated series. It's so much wider and grand than marvels what marvel has put out when it comes to multi-media in the sense of movies, video games, everything you know.

Speaker 2: 45:15

So george clooney's batman.

Speaker 1: 45:17

George clooney's batman arnold schwarzenegger, mr freeze jim carrey played the riddler ice to meet you, ice to meet you. Who's afraid of the big bad bat? Everybody chill. Uma Thurman played Poison Ivy in that movie. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah it was. And then the movie before that it was Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey as Two-Face and the Riddler, which apparently they didn't get along. The two actors, I believe it.

Speaker 1: 45:49

Do you really think that you would get along with jim carrey in real life? Real life? I don't know his personality. Okay, I do not like the movie ace ventura, pet detective. Why? Because that character is so annoying and it's just so over the top. He's always on trying to be annoying to everybody all the time. Yeah, and that's just kind of how I picture jim carrey being in real life. I love his movies but I just don't feel like that. I would young jim carrey like old jim carrey, like if I met him now it'd probably be fine, but if I met young jim carrey when I really enjoyed watching all his movies yeah he'd probably be the most annoying person in the world.

Speaker 1: 46:28

He literally says do you want to hear the most annoying sound in the world? Yeah, yeah that's true.

Speaker 2: 46:35

Yeah uh, I don't know what I was gonna say, so I just kept on going that's fine, that's fine. But yeah, the uh, the flashpoint paradox universe because isn't in those movies, like the overarching villain, is a reality eraser. Yeah, and he's chasing them through the different realities. I believe so, and to erase everything, and they're trying to figure out how to stop him and I think he ends up succeeding, I think Eventually. I can't remember what they do. I think that there is something where they're able to.

Speaker 1: 47:16

Well, it's weird because they erase the universes but then it kind of does a small reset. I'm not sure I got to go back and watch all those, because they're all good.

Speaker 2: 47:25

They somehow, I think that they use war world to fight him. But you know, like the biggest thing is that they've got to. They've got to beat war world to be able to fight him with it yeah because that's a whole movie in itself. Is war world, where they're all trapped in different realities.

Speaker 1: 47:50

Yeah, oh, real quick. Let's get back on to live action real quick, because I forgot about these. Okay, joker and the batman the joker and the batman so walking phoenix playing the joker oh yes, that movie is fantastic, yeah. And then the other one I want to talk about was the Batman, with Robert Pattinson playing Batman.

Speaker 2: 48:11

I never watched it.

Speaker 1: 48:12

Really.

Speaker 2: 48:13

No, I didn't.

Speaker 1: 48:14

You know how you came over and we watched that movie last weekend. I made you come over to watch Friendship. Yeah, you need to come over and watch the Batman. Okay, it is probably one of the best Batman movies.

Speaker 2: 48:25

I saw that they're already revamping Batman and they're getting, they're getting.

Speaker 1: 48:33

Cavill to play Batman. Come back and play Batman. I saw that. I don't know how true it is, but I would love to see that. Yeah, so it's not like they're really revamping, it's that they are now. So they've completely done away with the DCEU. Yes, all those actors, except for some reason, john Cena.

Speaker 2: 48:52

Yeah, what's up with?

Speaker 1: 48:54

that I don't know, because, like, okay, so there's Suicide Squad, then there's the Suicide Squad, both in the DCEU. Yeah, the Suicide Squad was made by James Gunn, so all those characters are kind of transitioning into his movie universe. Yeah, so I don't know. And then, like, off of that, they spent had a spin-off peacemaker show, yes, which is still technically part of the dceu, but also they have a show called monster commandos, creature commandos and so, like the weasel creature, like it just starts off from the end of the Suicide Squad, the same way Peacemaker does, and they have a cameo of Peacemaker in that cartoon. Okay, it's technically so. Creature Commandos is technically the first movie in James Gunn's universe, but it's a TV show. It's the first property in that universe before Superman. Yeah, okay, but it's weird. I just like the way that they've all put that together. So it's like, because Peacemaker is in that as a cameo in that cartoon, it's like, so what is carrying over and what isn't?

Speaker 2: 50:09

It's still strange. Well, didn't they come out with a second season of Peacemaker 2? I think it's coming out now.

Speaker 1: 50:14

Okay, yeah, my boss is I hopefully I can say this now since it's about to come out but he was my boss's fiancee was worked on the set of Peacemaker season two. Oh really, yeah, awesome. So like he'd come in and tell me all these things about, like what she told him and I'm like I'd actually watched like two episodes of Peacemaker and it was a little too much for me yeah, inappropriateness, so I didn't finish it, but it's like I want a clean version of that show because it sounds good.

Speaker 2: 50:44

It's just like they definitely made it way too adult-themed.

Speaker 1: 50:48

Yeah, but Robert Pattinson's the Batman is a great Batman movie with one of the best car chase scenes in cinema Is it supposed to be the Batmanman for the joker.

Speaker 1: 51:04

Uh, no okay, so the joker is supposed to be standalone, the batman's supposed to be standalone, with another movie coming out next year, and then they're going to have another person come in and play the batman for james gunn's universe, so it's like they're separating these properties. Yeah, and so I could see where like that could get in its own way when it comes to promoting and having their properties come out. Yeah, but I'm in it, I love it. So Superman was a great movie. I love that movie, probably one of my favorite movies this year. Okay, so I have high hopes for this upcoming franchise. My hopes are quite high, very high. My hopes.

Speaker 2: 51:46

They are yeah, I just I couldn't get on board with uh batman being a vampire, so when?

Speaker 1: 51:53

was he a vampire? Robert pattinson oh, real quick. I want to talk about young justice okay.

Speaker 2: 52:05

Also, I don't think that batman is a wizard either. Yeah, he was in that, wasn't he? He was a wizard that got turned vampire that became the dark knight who became a bat man who then somehow got shipped into space and keeps on dying mickey 47 or mickey 17, 17, whatever it's called.

Speaker 1: 52:25

That was a good. I like that movie. Okay, it was a good movie. I haven't watched it. It's weird, it's really weird, but it's good. Bizarre. Bizarre young justice was a cartoon that was just like kind of like a Teen Titans kind of reboot type storyline Teen Titans. So I really, really enjoyed that show and I was really upset to find out that I finished it. I finished that show and they ended on a cliffhanger and then they canceled.

Speaker 2: 52:54

The show Is Young Justice. Is that the one that has Blue Beetle?

Speaker 1: 52:59

Blue Beetle is a character in the show, but later on, oh okay, they start out small with a small team. But it's kind of like moral instead of teen titans, it's like all of these psychics coming together. Yeah, like so. Robin uh, kid flash, uh, red arrow, which was green arrow psychic, yeah, um, who else was on the team? Martian Manhunter's daughter, okay, niece, and then like Superboy, so like that kind of team. Batman's son Robin, I think it is like the descendant of Ra's al Ghul. No, it wasn't Damien. I think it was Tim.

Speaker 2: 53:38

Oh, okay.

Speaker 1: 53:39

And that show is Tim Drake.

Speaker 2: 53:40

Can we acknowledge that there's a crazy amount of Batman sidekick?

Speaker 1: 53:49

support team. Yeah, the whole Bat family. Yeah, there's so many, it's crazy.

Speaker 2: 53:54

It's almost like they're their own mafia in Gotham. Yeah, right, because I mean. What are all the characters? There's Nightwing, there's the Red Hood Nightwing, red Hood, batgirl, batwoman, batwoman, and then there's an array of Robins.

Speaker 1: 54:12

So you had Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, and then there was a fifth one that was kind of like in one really popular comic that was a girl.

Speaker 2: 54:25

And then doesn't technically Catwoman become a part of it, like she turns good, I think just yeah, it depends on what.

Speaker 1: 54:34

Yeah, and then like in Young Justice, there's like two ninjas, that are part of his family team. Yeah, it's good. I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2: 54:42

And then there's, and then obviously there's the butler.

Speaker 1: 54:47

Alfred, yeah, he puts on the mask a few times.

Speaker 2: 54:50

Yeah, and I know there's a dog in there somewhere. Yeah, there is, there's always a dog.

Speaker 1: 54:56

Because there's that Super Pets show and there was Crypt, voiced by duane the rock johnson and then, um, I don't remember the dog's name, but it was voiced by kevin hart. It was like a 3d animated oh yeah, it's a movie right, yeah, yeah, and what was it?

Speaker 2: 55:14

um, I don't remember the dog's name, and that upsets me, for batman yeah yeah, I can't remember his name either, but you said Kevin Hart voices him. Yeah, oh, I'm going to pull it up Dark wing.

Speaker 1: 55:30

Night dog Night dog. Ace. Ace the Bat Hound. I remembered it. Ace the Bat Hound. You're right, I got it. Yes, I promise you listeners, I did not look it up, I remembered it. Ace the bat hound, I got it. Yes, I promise you viewers, I did not look, look it up, I remembered it yeah he's right. So there you go. Let's quickly talk about DC video games.

Speaker 2: 55:53

Okay, before we do that, can we acknowledge that we were robbed because in super, keanu Reeves voices Batman Really? Yeah, and that's the only Batman that we've gotten where Keanu Reeves is Batman, jeez.

Speaker 1: 56:10

Do you think, though, he's got the voice for it, but do you think he has the build and the presence of Batman, or a?

Speaker 2: 56:19

Bruce Wayne. I think that if he can play John Wick, that he could play Bruce Wayne.

Speaker 1: 56:27

I don't think he has. I don't think it would work, you don't think so. I don't think he could be Batman. I'm sorry, who do you think would be a good Batman besides Keanu Reeves? I mean Henry Cavill will do well I was going to say but he does good at everything. Yeah, I was going to literally say that was going to be my pick as well.

Speaker 2: 56:45

Yeah, he does have that playboy nonchalant, billionaire-esque vibe to him.

Speaker 1: 56:54

That, or the guy who played Reacher In Reacher like the new TV show, mm-hmm, I think him. He played in Titans as Hawk. I'm like he could do a really good Bruce Wayne.

Speaker 2: 57:08

Yeah, I guess. So, yeah, I can't really think of anybody. All the actors that I like are like getting old. Yeah, like in their 40s and 50s.

Speaker 1: 57:17

I would really like to see Arnold Schwarzenegger play Batman, batman.

Speaker 2: 57:22

Oh, where's. I would really like to see Arnold Schwarzenegger play Batman. Where's Rachel Get to the Batmobile? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1: 57:32

So really the only, in my opinion, dc worthy game to really talk about, that's like you can rant and rave about, is arkham. Yeah, like so where we had talked about, where you had kevin conroy voicing batman in the 90s with the definitive voice of batman in the same way with mark hamill as the joker. Yeah, they came both came back and reprised their roles in this Batman video game franchise, like it's just the Arkham series because it's Arkham Asylum, it's Batman Arkham Asylum. Arkham City is the second one and Arkham Batman the. Oh, I gotta look it up now because it's bothering me.

Speaker 2: 58:17

What is the Okay? The Batman who Smiles, arkham Knight, arkham Knight, arkham Knight. Is that just a comic book?

Speaker 1: 58:24

Yeah, it's just like an alternative. I think it's Batman who got a Joker poisoning him or something like that kind of thing, and so he just kind of becomes Batman. I'm sorry, joker, but it's still Bruce Wayne.

Speaker 2: 58:44

Yeah, cause the only thing they got it in a fortnight as a skin. But I was trying to think if they had made a game or a movie or or anything of it.

Speaker 1: 58:56

That's kind of like spoilers for Arkham city and Arkham night where, like, bruce Wayne's affected with something and seeing Joker everywhere, even though Joker dies in Arkham City okay, and then he's hallucinating Joker everywhere because he got infected with like this Joker serum type thing, gotcha. But those games just fantastic, like. It's like a the combat is like this like you're going up against crowds of people at once, you're just tearing through them as batman, but then you also have your sneaking sections and your detective sections, yeah, where you're actually going through and just like investigating all these things. But it's just like it starts out small where Batman goes in Arkham Asylum in the Arkham Asylum game to go bring Joker back. And then it was all part of Joker's plan to get Batman there because they had taken over Arkham Asylum. All the villains did and Batman has to stop them all. Like, do they?

Speaker 2: 59:57

have a crazy amount of Batman villains, or is it like they've got a couple of them and then there's just a bunch of generic?

Speaker 1: 1:00:04

no, it's like all the villains.

Speaker 1: 1:00:06

So like penguin, two-face, poison, ivy, joker, uh, mr freeze, killer, croc clay face, like they're just all there, you know yeah it's so good and then, like, it just continues in the second one where, like, the villains are being so like getting worse and worse that they end up sectioning off a whole city as a prison for the villains and then batman's having to patrol that. Yeah, and they do end up making a fourth one called arkham origins, but that one's not as good, gotcha. So, yeah, I just. I just wanted to rant about those games for a second.

Speaker 2: 1:00:45

So what would you compare it to? If you had to compare it to another game, what would it play?

Speaker 1: 1:00:50

similar to Uh it's hard because it is the first that did it.

Speaker 2: 1:00:54

Okay, so like you couldn't compare it to, Assassin's Creed or no.

Speaker 1: 1:00:58

You know the Spider-Man game that your son was playing. Yeah, it's a lot like that. They kind of copied gameplay from Batman for that Spider-Man game, okay, where you're kind of like up against large groups of people fighting them at once, and then there are sneaking sections in that game where you're kind of swinging on the ceiling and crawling to take out villains and stuff. It's very similar to that Gotcha Going around the city, all that kind of stuff. Except Batman is a little bit more dark and gritty. Where Spider-Man is kind of a little more Dark and gritty, dark and gritty, there is it's crazy in Arkham City. As Batman you're kind of just gliding through the city because you have your grappling hook, so you go up and you kind of glide around.

Speaker 1: 1:01:49

There is a random it's just completely uh, out of tone, yeah, right, where you go and you grapple and you start to go over and this giant bat creature jump scares you, oh, just out of nowhere. Is it man bat? It's man bat, okay, it's just it's there and he just flies off and it's like it scares the ever-loving snot out of you, right, yeah, and it just never. It doesn't happen like that in any other game. Dang like. There's like weird creepy moments, yeah, but never like literally a terrifying creature jump scare like that moment. Yes, it's completely unwarranted and it never happens again what's the scariest game you've played, like the most?

Speaker 2: 1:02:23

the one that's caught you off guard the most? Dead space, dead space. Okay, yeah, I love dead space. That was great game. Mine was bioshock number one.

Speaker 1: 1:02:31

Yeah, you talked about that before. Yeah, and I played bioshock number one and I guess, like our, like our fear, tolerance, so like what?

Speaker 2: 1:02:39

no, the the very first time I played. It was the very first time I'd ever played a game like it and it like the idea of just psychos are running around and you can't do anything about it is what messed me up, because like there's a good like two minutes where randomly someone will run by you or they're stuck in an event or something like that, and like you can't run away or you can't do anything, you just gotta deal with it and let it pass, and then, like, after two minutes of that, then there's finally, like you can do controls and someone attacks you and you, whatever, whatever what's really funny is that game is not a horror game.

Speaker 1: 1:03:26

It's not and it's not meant to be scary. What you're talking about, no but it's just just.

Speaker 2: 1:03:31

I don't know. The way that it starts is like you wash up on a very small rock with a lighthouse on it. Yeah, you go underground and it's just there's always a lighthouse.

Speaker 1: 1:03:39

Underground, something where a bunch of psychos, so it's like an underwater city. Yeah, crazy. Bioshock Infinite is the best one. It doesn't take place in a city, it takes place in the sky. I love that game. Yeah, great game, I remember yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:00

When you first got it. Yeah, it was so much fun.

Speaker 1: 1:04:04

yeah, that's cool man, yeah, that's pretty neat. That's pretty neat. So do you have anything?

Speaker 2: 1:04:08

else to. Uh, I'm gonna be honest, I didn't do a whole lot of preparation for this episode because I don't really know a whole lot to begin with it's that I mean you kept up with me in this conversation.

Speaker 1: 1:04:19

Yeah, me personally. I feel like I know, or I've experienced, more DC than I had Marvel, but it's weird because I feel like when we went through the conversation on Marvel, I was able to call things out better by name than DC.

Speaker 2: 1:04:35

Yeah, which, on that note, I need to apologize for last week. Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1: 1:04:41

Next, we have a segment, we call. Let Me Apologize.

Speaker 2: 1:04:45

John go ahead. Nothing sappy about this one, but I kept on calling it Fortress of Solitude for Marvel and that's a DC thing.

Speaker 1: 1:04:53

Yeah, that's a DC thing. I thought you were doing that as a joke.

Speaker 2: 1:04:56

No, I know I did a lot of jokes during last week's episode, but I genuinely messed up by calling it the Fortress of Solitude.

Speaker 1: 1:05:05

What was that in reference of? Again, I don't remember.

Speaker 2: 1:05:07

We were talking about the. It was the thing for the wizards, so it was like the.

Speaker 1: 1:05:16

Oh the.

Speaker 2: 1:05:16

Shangri-La, shangri-la place, but they had a name for it. Just look it up. I got to look it up, but I called it the Fortress.

Speaker 1: 1:05:26

I thought you were making a joke and I just couldn't call it out by name and, as we do, we typically just don't the Sanctum something. Yeah, sanctum Centaurium or whatever. Yeah, it was the yep, sanctum. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2: 1:05:42

Sanctum, yeah, you're right. Sanctum Sanctorium, yeah. So there you go, I totally beefed that up which they've got a Lego set for it.

Speaker 1: 1:05:56

Yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 2: 1:05:57

If you want to buy it. They got a Lego set for everything. I feel like they really do Like the fact that you can buy an entire Hogwarts set is crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:06:10

What's crazy is like growing up they had those sets but it was Hogwarts and you had to get it in pieces. So it's like this one's this classroom and this one's the the Owlery, and then this one's the tree.

Speaker 2: 1:06:23

What do you think is the most expensive Lego set? Isn't it the Death Star? It's the Imperial Star Destroyer. It was something. Star Wars no, hold on. No, that can't be right, because it's just an article. Most expensive Lego sets Looks like yeah, you're right, the oh no, this is millennium falcon. Two thousand five hundred and thirty dollars. Geez, that's crazy I think.

Speaker 1: 1:06:50

Isn't that in spider-man the same thing that ned drops and falls in a million pieces? Or was that the death? That's the death star. That's the death star. Yeah, it's crazy because Legos aren't really toys anymore.

Speaker 2: 1:07:04

But this Millennium Falcon's the same size as that Death Star. Yeah, like that's how big it is. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. It's crazy, man, crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:07:15

So, anyways. Anyways, so Just moved. I mean, what else else you want to?

Speaker 2: 1:07:25

say. Say about the, the very expensive toy I can't ever have. Yeah, that's true, I could never yeah, I could never.

Speaker 1: 1:07:28

I've morally and just like personally, I just feel like I couldn't justify a two thousand dollar thing that, yeah, can fall apart easily yeah, that literally you're gonna.

Speaker 2: 1:07:41

There's joy in building it and then it's just going to sit on the shelf. Yeah, you know that's how I felt because, like they came out with the Dark Tower from Lord of the Rings, the eye. I was like man, that'd be really cool to get. I was like I'm not going to drop $600.

Speaker 1: 1:07:56

Yeah, how long is that going to be sit on a shelf in your house?

Speaker 2: 1:08:02

Exactly going to be sit on a shelf in your house, exactly it's not. And so and they did like the rivendell set for like 500 bucks or something, and it's like it'll be cool to put it together and have it present, but it will be taken apart. Nothing stays together at my house, yeah, so so yeah, is that?

Speaker 1: 1:08:17

uh, is that all you got for dc?

Speaker 2: 1:08:19

that's all I've got for the DC episode 47.

Speaker 1: 1:08:23

47. Maybe Of the Saints that Serve podcast. That's right. That's right. So Christ is Lord and the kingdom is oh.

Speaker 1: 1:08:33

In a city swallowed by shadows, only one man dares to wear the cowl. But which man? Over the years, gotham's protector has worn many faces Behind the cape and cowl. Different voices has risen from the darkness. Some whisper, some growl. I'm Batman. All of them are Batman. In this challenge, we test your knowledge of the men behind the mask. I'll read you a quote, a line pulled from the darkest corners of Gotham's big screen history. Your job, john Figure out which Batman said it. Keaton Belle or someone in between? Oh, oh boy, the shadows have spoken. Now it's your turn. Let's play. Which batman?

Speaker 2: 1:09:32

said it okay here we go.

Speaker 1: 1:09:36

surprise game number two all right, number two, all right. So yeah, I'm going to read you a quote from a actor who played Batman.

Speaker 2: 1:09:47

What is so? Why did you give me?

Speaker 1: 1:09:48

oh, this is the possible answers. I actually gave you a sheet. Yeah, I came extra prepared this episode.

Speaker 2: 1:09:56

Michael Keaton, Christian Bale, Robert Pattinson, Adam West, Ben Affleck, Val Kilmer, Kevin Conroy.

Speaker 1: 1:10:06

We left out George Clooney because we don't like Clooney Dang. No, okay. So again, I will read you the quote. Okay, and you got to tell me which Batman said it. All right, they think I'm hiding in the shadows, but I am the shadows.

Speaker 2: 1:10:21

I'm going to say Kevin Conroy.

Speaker 1: 1:10:26

That is Robert Pattinson in the Batman. I didn't think you'd get that one because you admitted to not seeing that movie yet. I've not seen that movie yet, so I'm going to do two voices here, okay, okay. I never said thank you, christian Booth, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 2: 1:10:48

I never said thank you, christian, hold on, hold on. I know I never said thank you and you'll never have to. Just so we're clear. It wasn't a girl who said that, that's just the voice I did gordon all right, give me a good.

Speaker 1: 1:10:55

commissioner gordon, I never said thank you and you'll never have to.

Speaker 2: 1:11:00

There we go.

Speaker 1: 1:11:02

And that was Christian Bale in Batman Begins. The next one Try fire. That's how you defeat monsters.

Speaker 2: 1:11:14

Try fire. That's how you defeat monsters. Yes, oh.

Speaker 1: 1:11:27

Dude, I don't know Let.

Speaker 2: 1:11:28

let's try for kevin conroy, again, that was ben affleck.

Speaker 1: 1:11:29

Ah, which, which movie uh, batman versus superman okay, all right, the next one I'm batman, oh uh, christian bell michael keaton. What from batman 1989? Ooh, uh, christian Bale, michael Keaton. What From Batman 1989. Okay, but, yes, I know, but they all say it, they do, but he's the first one who did it and it was famous. Okay, I said it like Bale, not the way Keaton said it in the movie I'm doing the Batman voice. All right. All right, number five, the movie I'm doing the batman voice all right, all right number five you want to know something funny.

Speaker 1: 1:12:16

Even after everything you've done, I would have saved, wearing hockey pads, adam west, christian bell, what the heck is in dark night? Where he was talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah, where he, uh, where they, all the vigilantes, all the vigilantes are pretending to be him. Yeah, number seven I made a promise on the grave of my parents that I would rid the city of the evil that took their lives. Val kilmer, val kilmer, that was batman forever. Oh man, okay, okay, some days you just can't get rid of a bomb. What?

Speaker 2: 1:13:08

Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb. Kevin Conroy.

Speaker 1: 1:13:14

Adam.

Speaker 2: 1:13:14

West Shoot. I even saw that I was like I want to say Adam West.

Speaker 1: 1:13:19

But that was from Batman, the Movie from 1966. Okay, all right, here we go. Number nine you want to get nuts?

Speaker 2: 1:13:30

Let's get nuts Adam West.

Speaker 1: 1:13:34

Michael Keaton Come on. Come on Number 10.

Speaker 2: 1:13:44

You can't get rid of a bomb by throwing it into a bar full of people, kevin. Conroy, adam West, come on, okay, so if it's got a bomb, it's going to be.

Speaker 1: 1:13:53

I'm sorry, bud, there's no more bomb ones Dang, here you go. Do you bleed you will? Do you bleed you?

Speaker 2: 1:14:00

will Do you bleed, you will Christian.

Speaker 1: 1:14:05

Bale, ben Affleck, oh man this is great.

Speaker 2: 1:14:12

I'm going to make a game for next week and it's going to make you look like a fool. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1: 1:14:17

I'm not going to do that, number 12. I'm vengeance. I'm vengeance, yes.

Speaker 2: 1:14:26

Ben affleck robert pattinson.

Speaker 1: 1:14:28

Come on next page. I got 20 of these. Oh no, this is number 13. So okay, all right, it's not who I am underneath, but what I do, that defines me, christian Bale. There you go. Thank you, golly. I feel like that's the only real Batman movie you've watched several times was those three movies.

Speaker 2: 1:14:47

No, I've watched the Keaton ones, but it's been a while.

Speaker 1: 1:14:51

Number 14. This city just showed you that it's full of people ready to believe in good Christian Bale. There you go, thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:15:11

If I did, I just you go, thank you. If I did, I just need to make them all christian bell yeah, that's what I'm assuming.

Speaker 1: 1:15:14

Number 15 you're not the devil, you're just practice. You're not the devil, you're just practice. Michael keaton, christian bell. Come on, I gave you that little hint. Dude, come on, I know what the heck. Number 16. I see without seeing. To me, darkness is as clear as daylight.

Speaker 2: 1:15:29

I feel like I need to say Robert Pattinson, but I really do not, as with all these, I really do not know. So, robert Pattinson.

Speaker 1: 1:15:38

Val Kilmer, number 17. You've eaten, well, you've eaten Gotham's wealth, it's spirit. Your feast is nearly over.

Speaker 2: 1:15:53

Kevin Conroy.

Speaker 1: 1:15:53

Yes, wow, look at there, number 18. My anger outweighs my guilt.

Speaker 2: 1:16:02

My anger outweighs my guilt. My anger outweighs my guilt. Who's an angry Batman? Maybe Ben Affleck, kevin.

Speaker 1: 1:16:12

Conroy no, you have two more. Okay, number 19. I've got to stop him, even if it means my own death. I play kevin conroy all right, next one, last one, next one, next one, okay, last one maybe where are?

Speaker 2: 1:16:36

they uh christian, there you go, thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:16:40

You want a bonus one? Sure, I'll give you two bonus ones.

Speaker 2: 1:16:44

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 1:16:44

Okay, this next one.

Speaker 2: 1:16:47

Where's Rachel? Ooh, that was. That was a joke.

Speaker 1: 1:16:53

Oh, okay, you ready for the last one? I'm ready. He never told you what happened to your father. He never told you what happened to your father. He never told you what happened to your father. That's all you're giving me. Fine, I'll give you the next line.

Speaker 2: 1:17:05

He told me enough he told me you killed him.

Speaker 1: 1:17:09

That's not batman no, I am your father so which batman said it? Uh, kevin conroy. No, and that's it. That's it. That was funny, all right. All right, I thought I'd throw that one in there for you. I appreciate that you got. Oh, hold on results. You're right, sorry, no, I don't need. Yeah, we do. No, I lost. You all need to know. So you go out of the 21, because I'll give you that last one you got the last one.

Speaker 2: 1:17:42

I got wrong. You got seven. Yeah, I know, I know I did not do well so there you go there.

Speaker 1: 1:17:50

You like my two surprise games in the middle of the podcast. Yeah, I loved them, yeah yeah, they were great.

Speaker 2: 1:17:55

Hey, if you combined your, I thought they were so much fun. Yeah, I had a really good time and highly recommend five stars.

Speaker 1: 1:18:04

Great, hey, if you combined your score between both games, still failing, you still failed. So, on a serious note, for real, thank you for joining us on this episode 47 of the Saints that Serve podcast. Yes, thank you for participating everyone. Yep, do you enjoy it? Do you on this episode?

Speaker 2: 1:18:26

47 of the Saints that Serve podcast. Yes, thank you for participating, everyone. Yep, did you enjoy it? Did you enjoy?

Speaker 1: 1:18:32

this episode. I had a great time. I laughed, I cried, it moved me. Bob Good Vegetable, yeah. So yeah, tell us in the comments what your favorite DC property is, whether it be the games, the movies, the comics, the TV shows. Which one is your favorite?

Speaker 2: 1:18:51

Yeah and maybe who's your favorite superhero? Who is?

Speaker 1: 1:18:53

your favorite superhero and who was your favorite actor who played Batman?

Speaker 2: 1:18:57

Hey, there you go.

Speaker 1: 1:18:58

Yeah, so there you go, All right. Well, Christ is Lord. Wait, another game no. And the kingdom is now. We are the saints that serve.

Speaker 2: 1:19:07

We are the saints that serve. I just want to say right now that I did not have time to play those games. I was like over here, like man, I should know that, I should know that quote, and then I did not know that, I did not know it, I did not know it.