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Welcome to the Saints that Serve, podcast where, each week, your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith, culture and the unknown.

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Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now. We are the Saints that Serve. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 46 of the Saints that Serve podcast. That is, the Saints that Serve podcast that is the all right, you get it.

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Oh dang. No, but welcome to episode 46. We're steadily encroaching on episode 50, baby.

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Episode 50. And after that, not but two episodes.

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After episode 50 is our one year anniversary that's right, where we've been doing this podcast for a whole year, you guys.

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One heck of a show. One heck of a show, bob. We are actually going to try and plan something a little fun for episode 52, because that's the one year mark. Stay tuned for that. It'll be maybe a fun little recap of the past year. So make sure you guys are hitting up the comments, if you can, and commenting on what's been your favorite episode or what's been your favorite moment inside an episode this past year, so that we can kind of have a highlight and bring up all the fun stuff we've done this year so far.

Speaker 1: 2:00

Yeah, yeah, my favorite episode was episode trailer. Episode trailer yes, it was episode one was episode trailer. Episode trailer. Yes, it was episode one. It was trailer Trailer.

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Well, it is the most listened to on all the podcasting apps.

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Well, it is the shortest and the easiest to find.

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Speaker 2: 3:03

we will respond. So eventually, yeah, but tonight's going to be kind of a fun just one long dialogue, one long nerdy dialogue. There's not going to be multiple segments, it's just going to be one thing, and so we're just going to get right into it. So we got plenty of time, but tonight we're going to be talking about so Tyler Tyler this is your transition into the rest of the night. We're going to be talking about the MCU, the best superhero saga Saga In cinematic history.

Speaker 1: 3:51

The best intro Assemble. That was well done.

Speaker 2: 3:56

We all quieted it down, but yeah so.

Speaker 1: 4:00

So what is if you're not good with acronyms? What is the MCU?

Speaker 2: 4:06

Yeah, for those who don't know, mcu stands for Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Speaker 1: 4:11

That's right. Marvel Cinematic at this point. Multiverse.

Speaker 2: 4:18

Yeah. So just so you know, we might dabble a little bit into like comic book lore, but we're going to be focusing on just cinematic.

Speaker 1: 4:28

Yes, from when it started in 2008 up to. I think we're going to leave out this year because they're new. So the three Marvel movies that came out this year, we might call them out by name, but everything else is, I guess, a spoiler warning.

Speaker 2: 4:47

Yeah, if you haven't watched anything in the past almost two decades now, then what are you doing?

Speaker 1: 4:55

It's getting close, it's getting real close, I think. Only a couple more years and it'll be- 20 years.

Speaker 2: 5:00

20 years, yeah, in 2028, it'll be 20 years.

Speaker 1: 5:03

That is insanity.

Speaker 2: 5:05

Mm-hmm, but yeah, yeah. So starting with, I mean technically it's hulk, but no, really it's captain america, it's uh iron man so no, iron man was first before hulk.

Speaker 1: 5:15

It was iron man, then the incredible hulk oh, you're right, you're right and then iron man 2 and then iron man 2, and then dis Disney bought it.

Speaker 2: 5:24

And then Disney bought it.

Speaker 1: 5:26

That is insane to think right, where people associate Disney with the bad part of Marvel, the kind of like the trash that kind of came out after Endgame came out.

Speaker 2: 5:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:41

But Disney has been making Marvel movies for the majority.

Speaker 2: 5:45

Of marvel movies, yeah, mcu, yeah well, because I mean there's a big scandal behind it all, like basically everybody's contracts kind of ended after in game, in game, yeah, and then when disney went to try to renew stuff, they like totally.

Speaker 1: 6:06

They saw the value in it and they were demanding too high of a price that Disney wasn't willing to pay.

Speaker 2: 6:11

No, it was the other way around, like they were like lowballing them, like making it even lower than what they had had before, kind of deal. And so a lot of I mean like Jeremy Renner and scarlett johansson they were like yeah, we're out. And I mean robert downey jr he was like I'm done, but now he's not done which is insane, which is crazy.

Speaker 1: 6:35

We're gonna get into that a little bit, yeah, but it's like for him to come back, but as a different character yeah and it actually kind of makes sense, yeah is insane.

Speaker 2: 6:48

Yeah, it's kind of crazy that, like a movie that hit, that made such a turning point to make everything work in the mcu, was not actually like a massive movie. You know what I mean? It was spider-man no way home. Yeah, that's what opened up the multiverse. Yeah, but it's not. They didn't hype it up.

Speaker 1: 7:08

Yeah, it's funny too, because in the lore of that movie it was almost like because they introduced multiverses at that point, kind of kind of not. They kind of talk about it in Endgame a little bit or hint at it, yeah, but then they go into it with no Way Home, yeah, or hint at it, yeah, but then they go into it with no way home, yeah, and it's. It's interesting because they make it out like that moment in that movie is what triggered the multiverse.

Speaker 2: 7:34

But it's really not, yeah, because you get more and more into the movies, specifically the shows well, yeah, the shows, yeah, yeah, because Loki, really the Loki show is what tears open the, the multiverse, the multiverse, and makes it like really, I guess, easier to understand.

Speaker 1: 7:57

And it's so interesting to see what they were going to do and what they're planning on doing and what they're backtracking on now, because it's like they were going to make king the villain. Yeah, he was the big bad and what happened with, uh, jonathan majors and his like?

Speaker 1: 8:17

he got arrested yeah and they fired him, so they had to rework what they were going to do with him. Yeah, but then he his charges were dropped, so he's going to come back as king. That's, that's the rumor right now. Maybe he won't come back as king, but he's coming back as king, but probably not in any capacity that he was going to be in. Yeah, so I like the direction they're going now. Yeah, but let's, let's take it back a bit and just rewind, rewind a little bit and let's, you know, let's talk about some of these uh, early movies, let's start from the beginning and just, you know, we can name them out and just have a good time okay all right, so phase one so marvel yeah boy, yeah boy so marvel puts out their movies and phases that are all kind of grouped together in like a theme and kind of like a villain, yeah, like an arching villain.

Speaker 1: 9:14

That kind of leads up to it. So the phase one was iron man, incredible hulk thor, captain America, the first Avenger, and then the Avengers, yeah, and then Iron man 2, but you know, yeah, iron man 2 was in there, it was in there.

Speaker 2: 9:31

Because that's where Black Widow gets introduced.

Speaker 1: 9:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:34

Is in Iron man 2.

Speaker 1: 9:36

So really it's those movies, introduce these characters, the key five characters.

Speaker 2: 9:44

Which one? Do you remember which one hawkeye was introduced in?

Speaker 1: 9:47

yeah, the avengers, technically thor. There we go. I mean, yeah, thor, but really introduced in like, because he has like a three minute scene in that movie it was less than that. It's like he shot some arrows at thor, and that was it.

Speaker 2: 10:03

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:04

Still For him to come back as a major character in the Avengers.

Speaker 2: 10:09

Well, but I mean, that was the thing. They introduced him as an agent of SHIELD, but he's, he was just. Yeah, he was just Hawkeye. You know, that's it. And so Hawkeye becomes an Avenger or a superhero, but he starts out as an agent for. Shield. So it makes sense. I mean, so does Black Widow, and Black Widow is the same thing. She's an agent for SHIELD, but then she becomes a superhero, but she's not getting her own movie right there For a very long time, for a very long time, yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:39

And I apologize, I said five. There's six. Avengers, yes, yeah, so the four major ones you see everywhere, like as on marketing and all the stuff, the four that people absolutely love, and then Hawkeye and Black Widow, dang, I mean, let's be honest, that's how they market those characters, right, yeah, yeah, they are supportive. I mean, yeah, they are kind of supportive. It's like you have the four Avengers and then the two supporting characters which work in the Avengers, right, no, but it's, you got your four.

Speaker 2: 11:10

Well, and I think that like because there is that point Hawkeye and Black Widow, they're not super powered entities, they're just really good at what they do. Yeah, you know, like that's it. I mean, I mean, captain, america is a super soldier, iron man's rich you're right hulk's super strong, uh, and then thor's obviously super strong, and he is a in this world eternal, eternal, a deity an and immortal.

Speaker 1: 11:43

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:44

Who can die so?

Speaker 1: 11:46

And then you know, hawkeye's really good at shooting bow and arrows and Black Widow's really good about putting big guys to sleep.

Speaker 2: 11:53

Sun's getting real low, big guy.

Speaker 1: 11:54

Sun's getting real low, oh my gosh. But let's talk about this. I kind of want to, because phase one is what really? I think phase two and three are fantastic, yeah, but I don't think we'll ever get what phase one was. Yeah, it didn't dip much, but it was peak. Mcu yeah, let's be honest, maybe that's a hot take. Yes, some other movies are better, I think, better movies than the first phase movies. But when you're talking about what they led up to and they paid off with, it was insanely incredible and industry changing yeah, I think would be the best way to put it. So you have iron man come out, yeah, and again, this all come happened to lead up to one infinity stone. That's it. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's it. And then after that they did so many other infinity stones, like sprinkled without, but the entire point leading up was introduction of characters and an infinity stone which you didn't even know what that was when the Avengers come out, and you didn't even realize that it was in the staff.

Speaker 1: 13:14

No, we're talking about the space stone, the Tesseract.

Speaker 2: 13:18

That's what I'm saying is they didn't acknowledge it was an infinity stone, it was just a Tesseract, it was an artifact.

Speaker 1: 13:23

Yeah, but you're talking about the Mind Stone later. Oh, wow, with the staff which technically there is an Infinity Stone in the first phase, or two of them, yeah, but one isn't said. Hey, this is an Infinity Stone until later. Yeah, so these movies come out. Right. When Iron man came out, we always had superhero movies come out. Right. When iron man came out, we always had superhero movies come out, but we didn't have the thing that happens in a lot of movies now where they hint at other movies at the end of post credits and all that stuff. Yeah, so iron man came out, robert downey jr fantastic movie, correct. And at the very end of it, after the movie is over over. I don't know who would have waited to see if there was something at the end. I feel like most people saw that on DVD or something later on.

Speaker 2: 14:16

Someone waiting for everyone else to leave the theater so he can get a couple more kisses on his girlfriend, something like that. And then they get freaked out by Robert Downey Jr coming back on the screen. Hey guys, what are?

Speaker 1: 14:25

you doing whoa? No, but he like so. At the end of iron man, robert downey jr comes into his house and there's a man in his house yes, it is samuel jackson and he is being played by nick fury. And for him to mention the avengers.

Speaker 2: 14:42

It's Nick Fury being played by Samuel.

Speaker 1: 14:43

L Jackson Sorry.

Speaker 2: 14:44

Sorry, I was like wait a minute.

Speaker 1: 14:48

I thought I said Samuel L Jackson playing Nick Fury.

Speaker 2: 14:51

You said it's Samuel L Jackson being played by Nick Fury.

Speaker 1: 14:56

Oh sorry, I meant to say playing Nick Fury and he says I have a job for you, I want you to be part of the Avengers initiative, and it's just like boom. It's insanity, right? Yes, so people are thinking, oh, we get another Iron man movie and they'll lead towards some whatever. No, we get the Hulk next and then after that, iron man 2. Yeah, then after that Thor, then Captain America. I'm pretty sure that's the order. Maybe I swapped two of them. I think it was captain america, then thor, because they introduced the tesseract in in captain america yeah, thor, yeah, thor introduces loki.

Speaker 2: 15:39

Tesseract is introduced in captain america right.

Speaker 1: 15:41

So you are introduced to the villain of the avengers in thor, so you are introduced to the villain of the Avengers in Thor, and then you are introduced to the MacGuffin, as they say, in Captain America. Yeah, and so essentially in Thor's movie, loki is defeated and he's cast out, and then in the Avengers he comes back after the Tesseract and it's kind of hinted at that he is while he's cast out in space he is recruited by something to go get the Tesseract.

Speaker 2: 16:12

Yes, so we have five movies leading up to the Avengers movie yeah, counting with my fingers Iron man, hulk, iron man 2, thor, captain America, five movies, then the sixth is.

Speaker 1: 16:30

The Avengers. Seeing that movie in theaters, you would have thought you were at a football game. Yeah, like everything happening, the hype around it, all the moment and all of the community and brotherhood, everybody coming to experience a movie was something that has never happened before. Yeah, and really I don't think will ever happen again. Well, not to the level of at that point. Yeah, there are so many great moments that warrant it in movies later on. Yeah, but I do not think it'll ever happen again the way it did at the beginning.

Speaker 2: 17:11

Yeah, well, because phase one is 2008 to 2012. So they take four years to build up they had a movie a year.

Speaker 1: 17:20

We have three movies a year now.

Speaker 2: 17:22

Yeah, but they took four years to build up to.

Speaker 1: 17:26

The Avengers yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:28

You know, the first team up, if you will, and then phase two is 2013 to 2015. And that's when they start slamming in all the supporting characters.

Speaker 1: 17:40

Yeah, while putting in the characters and getting sequels and Thor 2, captain America 2, best Marvel movie ever Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier is the best Marvel movie ever.

Speaker 2: 17:53

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:55

And you had Guardians of the Galaxy come out and Black Panther didn't come. That was phase three, right, black Panther.

Speaker 2: 18:04

Yes, black Panther did it come. That was phase three, right? Black Panther, yes, because that's when Civil War it comes out. Black Panther's introduced in Civil War, that's right.

Speaker 1: 18:13

So then he gets a movie which is Captain America 3. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah so. Thor, dark World, captain America, the Winter Soldier, guardians of the Galaxy there's only three movies leading up to Age of Ultron, but the Avengers age of ultron, but it age of the avengers age of ultron is not the last movie in phase three.

Speaker 2: 18:29

No, it's ant-man which is weird that they did like the phases, like the first one makes sense. They end it with the avengers, the team up yeah but then phases two and three, like the closing of the phase, is a, is a one-off movie for a character which is a good characteroff movie for a character.

Speaker 1: 18:45

Which is a good character.

Speaker 2: 18:47

I mean no, I'm not dogging Ant-Man in any way. I think Paul Rudd did a pretty good job, but like that's the end of phase two is Ant-Man. It's not Age of Ultron, it's Ant-Man.

Speaker 1: 19:00

And then phase three. The end of it is so, yeah, really, you get like sequels. So, yeah, really, you get sequels. So it's Iron man 3, thor, dark World, captain America, the Winter Soldier so sequel movies, yeah. Then you are thrown in with what looks like what's going to be the dumbest movie on the planet yeah, a green woman, some buff dude, a talking tree and a and a talk oh sorry, a living tree and a talking raccoon. Yeah, all hanging out from, uh, hanging out with the dude from Parks and Rec. Yeah, and it's like what is this movie? This is going to be the worst thing I've ever seen. Guardians of the Galaxy is incredible of a movie. Yeah, it was like almost like Avengers all over again. Yeah, all in one movie.

Speaker 1: 19:47

Yeah, and they made it work, even though they just introduced all these super off-the-wall odd characters to you. Yeah, I just want to kind of I wanted to stop and kind of talk about that, because I think that is the best middle ground between comedy and seriousness in the MCU. Yeah, because later on, when we get in past phase three, it becomes overly goofy in a way that demeans these characters that you built up over the last 10 years. Yeah, these heroes, these people that people idolize? You shouldn't, but people do idolize these characters. Yeah, these people that people idolize idolize you shouldn't, but people do idolize these characters. Yeah, and then you they built them up and then after in-game, they start breaking them down yeah, I want to.

Speaker 2: 20:33

Here's the deal. I would like to blame takai wakiti.

Speaker 1: 20:38

Yeah tako, tako, tako wakiti Taika Waititi. Taika Waititi because Thor Ragnarok did it.

Speaker 2: 20:46

Yeah, like it was funny, but they kept going, they kept digging in to just this silliness and it kind of ruined a lot of these characters. For you know what we were doing, yeah, let's pull back for just a second.

Speaker 1: 21:06

Let's well, I want to get back to it when we get to phases four and five okay because, well, we can get through these other phases fairly quickly now that we talked about the avengers, yeah. But you know we had these movies and so you got sequels and a lot of them introduced. So thor dark world introduced another infinity stone. Winter soldier did not. Iron man 3 did not. Guardians of the galaxy introduced another one, yeah, and then age of ultron introduced an infinity stone.

Speaker 1: 21:41

So all in phase two we got three infinity stones, where in the first phase we led up to this one big story to introduce one infinity stone yeah and so you have the avengers teaming up a second time with uh to fight against a killer robot, and that's the second avengers movie, yeah, introducing quicksil, who dies in the movie.

Speaker 2: 22:08

Yeah, that, I think, was one of the most frustrating things for me.

Speaker 1: 22:13

And don't get me wrong, I really like Age of Ultron, but it was such a letdown because they built up a second time and it really did not pay off the way the avengers did. I think that's where we start getting that a little bit of superhero fatigue not a lot, but we start getting it because it's like now they're starting. The first phase was all realistic, kind of stories that you could relate to, anybody could enjoy, yeah. And then phase two starts getting into the nitty gritty, into the deeper cuts of Marvel.

Speaker 2: 22:51

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:51

Not terribly deep, but the deeper cuts of Marvel. And then you start only trying to appease.

Speaker 2: 23:00

Here's my take. I think that Age of Ultron was a pretty good movie, right. But I feel like hindsight right Because we've been through all of it I really feel like Age of Ultron was more of a setup for Civil War.

Speaker 1: 23:17

Yeah, and introducing vision. It wasn't a payoff movie. It was just another movie, like you said, leading up to something bigger.

Speaker 2: 23:25

They wasted a villain that's a really big villain in the comics, right, ultron's like a really big deal, yeah, and they threw him in. He was a one movie deal, got him in, got him out done, and so the movie really does feel like it's an introduction for some key players for the next phase, which is it wasn't meant to.

Speaker 1: 23:49

It was a good movie, but it was more of a bridge to the next, to the next story than actually telling a good story in the moment.

Speaker 2: 23:57

It wasn't a climax for the previous movies.

Speaker 1: 24:00

Yeah, like the Avengers was something that led up to something great, this just felt like another movie really was a lead-up.

Speaker 2: 24:07

Age of Ultron was really a lead-up to Civil War, which is just another movie in the next phase.

Speaker 1: 24:13

It's not even a climactic because you just introduce these characters that are there, like we do have this problem with the MCU, where it's like, instead of giving a character a movie, they kind of test the waters with some characters, yeah, and then maybe later on give them something, yeah, and they do that especially for Age of Ultron. They do that with Black, not Black Widow, scarlet Witch, scarlet Witch and Envision, yeah, which doesn't happen for a very long time either way yeah, but that't happen for a very long time either way.

Speaker 2: 24:46

Yeah, but that's really what. That's what I was getting at. I feel like it was more so just a setup for Civil War and an introduction to the two key characters, which are Vision and Wanda, because they play a big part in one that the end in Infinity War and Endgame.

Speaker 2: 25:04

Then they also play a key part in the multiverse yeah so they're kind of really important characters for the overall, I guess, movement of the story. But they don't get their own movie, they just get thrown into age of ultron, so something major that happens in what you're referencing to is in age of ultron, and so something major that happens in what you're referencing to is in age of ultron.

Speaker 1: 25:28

Ultron is a robot created by tony stark to protect the earth, but he becomes sentient and he thinks not a robot, he's an ai, correct? Sorry, he is, he's an ai, yeah. And he decides that you know his, his, you, his programming is protect mankind. But he sees that mankind is so violent that the only way to protect mankind from themselves is to wipe out mankind. So he essentially picks up an entire city, is going to drop it back down on Earth, to blow up the Earth, yeah. And so the Avengers go in and stop them. That is Sokovia, right? Yeah, he picks up and drops sokovia and they, they save every. They don't save everybody, but yeah, but they stop ultron and in the process, quicksilver dies, yep, and scarlet witch, who was a villain in the movie, is now a Avenger Heroine. Heroine, like she. She was recruited by Ultron to help him and by the end she turns on him.

Speaker 2: 26:31

Yeah, so he turns on them first.

Speaker 1: 26:34

but yeah, you get the idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:40

Yeah, so moving on past that and again, we are moving through this fairly quickly. We're talking about 10 plus almost 20 years worth of content. We're not going to go into too deep detail on everything. Yeah, we're just kind of talking about this in general. Doctor Strange Did you like Doctor Strange? The first one, yeah, it was pretty good.

Speaker 2: 27:04

Yeah, dormammu, dormammuu, I liked it. Uh, real quick, real quick. Sorry, I'm looking at the cast here for age of ultron. It says that idris albo is a cast who's who did he play? He's heimdall oh yeah, I'm looking at this. I'm like I don't remember him in Age of Ultron. He is the gatekeeper in Thor. It's the all scene. Oh my gosh, all right, sorry, continue, yeah, so Doctor Strange, doctor Strange.

Speaker 1: 27:37

The story within Doctor Strange and a lot of these are pretty self-contained.

Speaker 2: 27:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:42

And they're just introducing characters. Yeah, Same way with Ant-Man. We talked about Guardians of the Galaxy. That was important because there was a power. The Power Stone was in that. Yep, Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2, same thing, Just introducing new characters.

Speaker 2: 27:57

And just another good movie with Introducing the reality of Star-Lord being an actual lord.

Speaker 1: 28:05

Yeah, that's right, kurt.

Speaker 2: 28:08

Russell Freaking. Kurt Russell man.

Speaker 1: 28:11

That movie's good.

Speaker 2: 28:12

Big trouble in little Chinatown. You know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:16

And he's the whole town. And he's the whole town, and then Spider-Man Homecoming. Talk about a movie that is great and sets up a lot of stuff that does not happen later on.

Speaker 2: 28:29

Yeah, I feel like everybody really liked Spider-Man Homecoming because Spider-Man actually was convincingly a high schooler.

Speaker 1: 28:40

I jumped forward so terribly bad. Oh, you did. Yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't even talk about Captain America. Civil War. We talked about it, but, like you said, age of Ultron led up to Civil War, Correct.

Speaker 1: 28:53

And what is to me the only? I mean the whole movie is great. Yes, right, but it's a Captain America movie and they try to kind of put an Avenger story within it. You know what I mean. It's truly about Captain America, steve Rogers trying to help his friend Bucky, who was the Winter Soldier spoiler and everybody's after him, because he blew up and killed Black Panther's father. But it wasn't really him. Oh, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, you know. But they all think Panther's father, but it wasn't really him. Spoiler alert, but they all think it's him. So it's like great movie, great. At the end, you know, you think there's going to be this huge fight between super soldiers and it's just like the villain just was looking for these super soldiers. You think he was looking for the serum and at the end's just like the villain just was looking for these super soldiers. He's you think you're looking for the serum and at the end, zemo, the villain just kills all these people who are crying, cryogenically frozen, because he doesn't want more super soldiers.

Speaker 1: 29:55

Yeah, and it was like a really great twist yeah and I just think that the big airport fight is really cool. It's earned, but it's like they just threw an Avengers movie in the middle of this movie. That was a Captain America movie, you know what I mean? Yeah, I get you. It's this bigger plot that deserved more time. Civil War was a major comic book event and it was kind of like nestled. The actual point of of like just kind of nestled. The actual like point of civil war was kind of nestled right there inside a captain america movie yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 2: 30:32

It did seem kind of like it works breezed over a little bit.

Speaker 1: 30:37

It works, but I just wish we had more of that happening, yeah, but, um, the reason why I jumped back is because Tony Stark recruits a young lad named Peter Parker, and that was another thing. Peter Parker, I love Spider-Man, yes, one of my favorite superheroes, and it's like the introduction to this character is let me go grab him out of his bedroom and go have him help me fight these people. Yeah, and then he ends up getting his own movie, which is wonderful, right, yeah, but I think part of the problem with a lot of this stuff, right, is that we've had we had three spider-man movies with toby mcguire, then two of them with andrew garfield. We've seen his into his. You know his uh, backstory, right, his origin story, yes, and so by this point, it's like I get why they didn't do another origin story, but it's like why didn't you kind of do an origin story, but different?

Speaker 1: 31:42

You know what I mean to introduce this character, yeah, a little bit differently. Besides them just being, yeah, I've been doing this for a minute and now I'm here which is also kind of an mcu issue is when you have these huge moments happening in these movies, like a robot trying to drop an entire city on the planet to blow it up, yeah. Or aliens attacking New York City, yeah. And it's like the further along you get into the MCU you find out how many superheroes are actually there, yeah, and it kind of has that MCU effect of like where are they at?

Speaker 1: 32:20

Where are they?

Speaker 2: 32:21

at though.

Speaker 1: 32:21

Yeah, where are they at? Yeah, and it's like where's Doctor Strange, where's ant-man and you know all that kind of stuff? Right, all these heroes that exist. And as you get further down it's like, oh, they exist, they're just not there. Yeah, on these world-threatening events, yeah, so it's, it's fine, it's entertaining. Yeah, I think, and this is where I think the the problem with it is is they cannot tell this story, this large story, in a single movie.

Speaker 2: 32:52

A lot of these things that are happening would warrant 10 movies yeah and they're putting it all into one movie well, I'm bit as far as, like, the heroes being not at these like massive events that are going on. I feel like there's a little bit of an explanation in their own timelines, you know what I mean. Like, yeah, ant man wasn't there for the sokovia event, but he wasn't connected to the avengers, true? So how could he have known about Ultron and leading up to it, unless someone had informed him, he would have been like everyone else, just they would have seen the event happening on TV Right. And then how does he get to the other side of the world in time? Okay, in enough time.

Speaker 1: 33:35

For.

Speaker 2: 33:36

Ant-Man sure, but what about-. Doctor Strange. It doesn't give us the timestamp of when he's fighting Dormammu, but he is kind of fighting a really big problem for the globe. Sure, you know.

Speaker 1: 33:51

But to argue that and counteract that, all of these sorcerers that are there, yeah, at where I can't remember where they're located the Sorcerer Mountain, fortress of Solitude, the Fortress of Sorceritude, sorceritude, I believe it's called Hogwarts located the um the sorcerer mountain fortress of silence, the fortress of sorceritude, sorceritude I believe it's called hogwarts, hogwarts, mcu hogwarts.

Speaker 1: 34:12

So they're all at mcu hogwarts, right, all of these sorcerers, yeah, and they show it happening later on where they all. So they're showing it where they're all later on. They all come to help, yeah, but it's like I don't think what happens later on is it is world threatening, but I feel like a planet blowing up versus a planetary takeover is worse well, but you gotta remember their.

Speaker 2: 34:43

Their goal is to protect the time stone, so it doesn't matter what dimension they're in. If they need to move a dimension, they Well, but you got to remember their goal is to protect the Time Stone. So it doesn't matter what dimension they're in. If they need to move a dimension, they can, but they can't compromise the protection and safety of the Time Stone.

Speaker 1: 34:58

Sure, but they can spare some people.

Speaker 2: 34:59

Yeah, it sounds great, but they're not great.

Speaker 1: 35:04

That's the whole point of the sorcerers, no the thing is, we can end up, end up coming up with excuses after excuses to why it happened in the lore, and that's perfectly fine, but at the end of the day, it's because this movie doesn't have those characters.

Speaker 2: 35:15

Yeah, that's really what it is.

Speaker 1: 35:18

This Avengers team is here and that's all you're going to see happen.

Speaker 2: 35:29

Even though, if this was, realistically happening every single event would have every single hero there, like we get eventually. Yeah, but I mean like because, but seriously in the argument, like the sorcerers, they're so consumed with protecting the time stone and the essence of the time stone that they won't get involved in a lot of different things.

Speaker 2: 35:51

like like hulk had to debate with the sorcerer supreme yeah, like she didn't just get on board with like hey, you're traveling from the past to come and get the time stone to do, or whatever she's like. You can't interfere with the sacredness of the timeline. It's like dude, like you know but that's like one person like but that's what I'm saying is.

Speaker 2: 36:17

I think that that is the epitome of the ideology of the sorcerer of the sorcerers of the Fortress of Solitude is, the priorities are like human life and protecting the sacred time stone. It's like this, like it's out of whack, like protecting the time stone is a greater importance than human life.

Speaker 1: 36:41

True and so when there's an event, I feel like if the world blows up, that's not going to protect the time stone well that's what I'm saying, though, is it?

Speaker 2: 36:51

they can. They can move the time stone, they can take it away from the earth. There's other planets, there's other dimensions, and galaxies and universes when have you ever seen a sorcerer on another planet?

Speaker 1: 37:03

in the MCU.

Speaker 2: 37:06

Well, technically, uh-huh, uh-huh, sorcerer Supreme goes to Thanos' planet.

Speaker 1: 37:12

Yeah, but on a spaceship they don't teleport.

Speaker 2: 37:17

Oh well, yeah, I don't know where he goes when he fights Dormammu, but it's like a dimensional space thing. Yeah, it's a separate dimension?

Speaker 1: 37:24

I think that there are. Just because it's such a large franchise, you're going to have conflictions.

Speaker 2: 37:30

No, yeah, there's definitely. I think that it's just it's for things like this.

Speaker 1: 37:36

Yeah for debates.

Speaker 2: 37:37

We can debate about it, but we're not really going to have a good answer. I just want everyone to be clear where I'm coming from, my opinion of the sorcerers from the fortress of solitude, hogwarts, hog, yes, hogwarts. They do not care about human life. Until they do and come and help, until they're like oh uh, now we have to protect human life so that it protects the time stone, even though, at that point the time, stone is gone.

Speaker 2: 38:10

Yeah, it doesn't like. It's like. In order for us to truly get the time stone back and protected, we've got to give it up.

Speaker 1: 38:18

At that point, when they all come out, the time stone is gone. Yes, they have another one, but their time stone in their timeline has been destroyed, correct? So just so we're clear on that as well, they are not trying to protect the time stone at that moment well, but no, because they are, because think about it strange saw.

Speaker 2: 38:38

The only way for him to be able to fulfill the mission of keeping the or a time stone protected is by giving it to Thanos, so that he'll snap half of everybody out of existence, so that it'll motivate the remaining Avengers to go back in time to collect all the stones, to undo what he's doing, to get him to come back and fight at the final in-game battle so that they can kill thanos and all of his minions in one swoop. That's what dr strange sees, and he sees that it's so great. End of it, he'll have a time stone to protect time heist. Is that not stupid? Like he's like, oh, the only way for me to fulfill my mission is to kill countless people. Bring them all back, kill a bunch more and get rid of thanos so that I can protect the time stone. Yes, so that's what I'm saying. These, these hogwarts guys. They care less about human life and more about protecting the sacred stone.

Speaker 1: 39:43

Thor.

Speaker 2: 39:44

Ragnarok All right, thor Ragnarok, another sorcerer.

Speaker 1: 39:51

Loki, oh true, but not in the same sense.

Speaker 2: 39:56

I mean God of Mischief.

Speaker 1: 39:58

Sure, I think his magic's different from the magic in Hogwarts, because so is Scarlet Witch's magic is different. You know there's different types of magic, which is weird to me because it's all witchcraft well, yeah, but that's this like there.

Speaker 2: 40:15

I mean, that's kind of pulling from reality, though, because there is, when you get into the whole witchcraft stuff, like there's apparently light magic and dark magic, yeah, and so and they classify it that way, and there's different witches for different sects that do different things, it's all evil. But they're trying to masquerade it as like oh no, it's not evil, we're good, we're good witches, we do good stuff. It's like, yeah, but you're practicing.

Speaker 1: 40:44

I mean, you're calling upon demons to do magic literally later on in a movie they are doing just that yep, yep, but yeah, not even like like warping it to make it look like it's. Oh, we're doing magic, but it's good. In a movie later on, they are doing evil magic to benefit themselves and they don't pose it as being good. Yeah, so, thor ragnarok, ragnarok, do you what's? Is this your favorite thor movie?

Speaker 2: 41:16

no, no, really I actually like dark world better yeah it's.

Speaker 1: 41:21

It's a little goofy. I like ragnarok I like Ragnarok.

Speaker 2: 41:24

I like Ragnarok in the sense of that, Like it is a fun movie to watch.

Speaker 1: 41:30

Mm-hmm, but it's the starting of demeaning a highly beloved character for comedy, correct, where early on you had funny moments, but it wasn't at the expense of your own characters, correct? Yep, that's, but it didn't. It wasn't at the expense of your own characters, correct.

Speaker 2: 41:47

Yeah, and they did a lot of things to like build character development for certain characters in Thor Ragnarok and then they retconned it in the very next Thor movie. Yeah you're right, because they were like, okay, jane Porter's out of the scene.

Speaker 2: 42:02

Yeah out of the scene, yeah. And now we're gonna start doing maybe we're gonna allude to the idea of thor and valkyrie being king and queen, being exclusive, yeah, and and like this is the beginning of their story or whatever. And then they do, uh, infinity war and end game. And it's like, oh, she's just, she's in charge and she's babysitting him because he's lost it because he didn't show up in time, or whatever.

Speaker 1: 42:30

Yeah, and I get that. They built him up for him to lose and be broken down. Yeah, but they could have done it better. That's my one complaint about Endgame. Is Fat Thor, yeah, fat Thor, like he still, he ends up redeeming himself. But the problem is, is in or london thunder? He's then built up and broken down to build himself back up. They always are bringing down this character. Yeah, for him to bring himself back up, and it just every time. It's more demeaning every time yeah, yeah I.

Speaker 1: 43:01

I feel like at some point you gotta let the character develop yeah, you know a continuous development, not develop some and then break them down, to then have to develop them back to where he was at before he has to relearn. How many times has thor been cast out for him to then prove himself again?

Speaker 2: 43:18

yeah, every single movie every single movie.

Speaker 1: 43:22

So let's talk about black panther. Okay, I really like this movie. I think it is a great movie. There is only one complaint about it the last fight scene. If you watch it now, the cg is awful. It looks like you're watching a cut scene from an xbox 360 game. It's it's, it's at age, pretty poorly and it's such a shame for what is a great movie.

Speaker 2: 43:48

Otherwise, yeah, I feel like that's another character that they just kind of pulled in and then threw out Warmonger. Yeah, you know, like they used, did you?

Speaker 1: 44:00

see Wakanda Forever.

Speaker 2: 44:02

The second one, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw it.

Speaker 1: 44:05

They used him in the celestial plane what's crazy is that's one of only a few character villains that they've brought back yeah even for a little bit. I think they did it with ant-man's villain. Yes, uh, they did it with red skull, correct? And they did it with warmonger. Yeah, and I don't think there's too many others. Correct me if I'm wrong in the comments.

Speaker 2: 44:28

I mean thanos. You know, he pops up in several movies but they, after his defeat, after their character's done yeah, I guess technically not, unless you want to count the beginning of endgame and then the end of it but, yeah, that is a good movie in that.

Speaker 1: 44:49

Yeah, and it's.

Speaker 1: 44:50

It's a good, solid, secluded movie, but at the same time introducing more of this character yeah and then we get one of my favorite, mar one of my probably my second favorite Marvel movie because of the ending, and that is Avengers, infinity War, infinity War. So we are a little backstory, we are built up for the past nine years of these movies that we just talked about, yes, being hinted at something larger, something bigger, these things they call Infinity Stones, which are pieces of rock that have immense power and abilities associated with them. I like rocks, I like rocks.

Speaker 2: 45:32

I like trains.

Speaker 1: 45:36

So each one has something different. The time stone that allows you to travel through time, the power stone that just has immense power to it. Space stone that allows you to travel through time Sorry, through space. And then you know. Space stone that allows you to travel through time Sorry, through space. And then you know. The mind stone, which allows you to manipulate people mentally, sure. And then the soul stone, which I never understood what that actually really does.

Speaker 2: 45:59

Yeah, I don't feel like it's ever utilized for anything. It's just one of those things where it's like you need it.

Speaker 1: 46:04

I mean it created vision and it created Ultron? Yeah, no, it didn't create Ultron.

Speaker 2: 46:11

No, I thought the Soulstone was the one that he had to harvest on the planet.

Speaker 1: 46:17

No, the Soulstone was the one that was in the staff.

Speaker 2: 46:21

Which one was on the planet.

Speaker 1: 46:22

Which one was on the planet.

Speaker 2: 46:24

Where he had to sacrifice his daughter.

Speaker 1: 46:27

That was the soul stone.

Speaker 2: 46:29

That's what we were just talking about the soul stone.

Speaker 1: 46:31

I was talking about the mind stone.

Speaker 2: 46:33

Okay, well, you said soul stone.

Speaker 1: 46:34

I did. Then I transitioned into the soul stone. Hey, charlie, okay, mind stone, all right. But then the reality stone, reality stone. So, anyways, these stones of immense power, and it's found out that a lot of the things happening in the background were all being orchestrated by what is essentially the series' main villain, the Infinity Saga's main villain. We are talking about Thanos Thanos. We are talking about Thanos Thanos. He wants all of the stones so that he can utilize their power to what he claims to be save the universe. Yes, so he, throughout this movie, is slowly collecting all the stones, finally getting them all together. And we are getting all of these characters. This had, like how many characters in it? Like 40 superheroes throughout all these movies. Yeah, something ridiculous, number a lot, and so they are all just kind of like trying to stop thanos from collecting the stones throughout this movie. Yeah, and at the very end, he gets the stones, he snaps his finger and kills half of everybody.

Speaker 2: 47:50

And then we have to walk out of the theater.

Speaker 1: 47:53

That is one of my favorite moments because everybody oh dark. Seriously bear with me At this point after watching Marvel movies for so long. Right, yeah, it was the same old. Same old In the sense that you're going to have the hero fight the villain and the villain's going to lose and we're going to wait to the end credits to watch the next thing. And at this moment we had Thanos winning, everybody losing. We're watching all of these superheroes literally blow away in the wind, turning to dust. Yeah, I don't feel so good.

Speaker 1: 48:29

I don't feel so good, mr stark, and just the sadness in the room was such a different tone, yeah, and it's gonna I'm gonna sound awful, but I laughed because it was so seriously in the movie theater when we watched that movie and everybody was just usually you walk out of an Avengers movie and you're cheering and clapping yeah, it was like walking out of a funeral, dang, it was so somber, yeah, and the emotion of the room got to me so much and my only reaction was laughing because it was insane that this movie franchise that I've been predicting for years and it's been the same old, same old surprised me again. Mission failed, we'll get them next time. So I was. I love that ending, that song that they play, with Thanos walking out onto the porch of his little planet house thing and sitting down and just like nodding his head like I did it, and it cuts to the credits. Yeah, yes, we get another movie.

Speaker 1: 49:33

What was that song? It was like just like a. Was it part of the score? Yeah, it was part of the score. It's called porch porch, yeah, so, yes, we, the avengers, lost, yeah, and then we had to wait two movies another year, right, and they came out with a lot of people's least favorite movie, ant-man and wasp. And ant-man and wasp was really good, yeah, and that post-credit scene tied into why Ant-Man is still alive.

Speaker 2: 50:02

Yes.

Speaker 1: 50:04

And then we had Captain Marvel. Yeah, captain Marvel is an okay movie, and that's all I'll say about that. It's just introduced to this. The character itself is just way overpowered, and she proves that even in, like in endgame, yeah, where she is way overpowered. That's true. She is.

Speaker 1: 50:28

She is quite tremendously overpowered, powerful, so endgame and let's, we'll stop and talk about in-game for a minute. So everybody, half the world, half the universe, is dead. They're gone. Yeah, so everybody in this world. It's like what is it? Five, six years after the, they call it the snap, the snap or the blip. Later on, they call it the blip, yeah uh, I guess I need to go back well, they call it the blip after Endgame.

Speaker 1: 50:56

But five years have passed and people are still alive. So Thanos' idea was if he were like, instead of stupidly, it shows why he's so crazy, right, yeah, is that he thinks that the world is overpopulated I mean the universe is overpopulated. So to solve for world hunger he's just going to eliminate randomly half the universe.

Speaker 2: 51:18

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 51:19

So that there'll be enough to feed everybody, which is arguable. Why didn't you use the stones to feed everybody instead of killing everybody? And people say that as a loophole, and I see it as how insane. He is. Yeah, well, but really in the comic it's he he's trying to impress a lady. He's trying to impress a lady, which is essentially the Grim Reaper, and he's like I'll get her attention by killing as many people as possible, isn't it Hela, though no, it's a different character. That kind of is like Hela.

Speaker 2: 51:52

Okay, because that was my thing, and, like with Thor Ragnarok, they introduce Hela as the villain. But it's like she's been trapped and now she's been released because the power of her father is fading and so she's able to get out of her imprisonment, and now she's trying to go back on a global or a galactic conquest. You know now that she's freed, but like I think it's at least in the MCU.

Speaker 1: 52:18

It's a different character because Lady Death has been introduced at this point. Gotcha In the stories, wait, who was she introduced Agatha all along, I believe. I never watched it, so that is full of witchcraft, so I kind of skipped that one. I just have heard that Lady Death is in that one. I'm trying to pull up Thanos' girlfriend death is in that one I'm trying to pull up thanos girlfriend, thanos girlfriend, what?

Speaker 2: 52:43

if you came up as a picture on that, we just search it. And it was you. It kept on. The top search was thanos girlfriend squid game. What?

Speaker 1: 52:50

yeah, oh, because there's a, uh, there's a character in that who called. He's a rapper who calls himself thanos okay, there we we go.

Speaker 2: 52:57

Okay, yeah, love interest is Lady Death, the cosmic entity and personification of death itself. Thanos' infatuation with Lady Death drives many of his actions in the comics, including his goal of assembling the Infinity Gauntlet and wiping out half of all life in the universe in an attempt to impress and win her favor.

Speaker 1: 53:20

There you go.

Speaker 2: 53:21

I feel like that would have been a better thing. That would have been a better thing.

Speaker 1: 53:24

for sure, it would have made so much more sense. But they went with a loophole, like something that has a loophole.

Speaker 2: 53:33

But at the same time, it's almost like it's, you know, when you get into the Hollywood's actually just giving you the information of what the world order is trying to do, like it's the propaganda that's putting out the hints of, like this is what's going to happen. It feels that way. Like Thanos, he's the bad guy, but they're trying to, you know, humanize him by saying like he's coming at it from it may be wrong, but he's coming at it from a good angle, where he's trying to promote life rather than so instead of having this all encompassing evil person, they tried to make him relatable to some degree trying to say like, hey, he's not bad, it's just the decision he made was bad and and so you know.

Speaker 2: 54:25

But then you look at, like some of the stuff that we get into as a society, where it's like wars that don't make any sense, but it's like it's in the name of freedom, protecting people and freedom and stuff, and then like everything with the with 2020 that went down, yeah, with the global pandemic, all the stuff that went on.

Speaker 2: 54:47

I'm not going to say too much because I don't want to lose another episode, which here's the thing that's crazy that we cannot have public discourse five years removed about something without getting censored, like what. We should be able to talk freely about it. But for some reason, this has become so politicized and they've tried to chalk it up to like how, how we view it, yeah, how bad, like it was so bad. It was like, well, as far as viruses go, it wasn't that bad, but everything around it made it really bad, you know? So I don't know, man, and ever since then, year after year after year, there's just been a lot of bad things that are happening, and they're happening in the name of good things, yeah, and it's like what the heck are we doing? So that's my opinion. Got a little political there, but it almost feels like, because, I mean, endgame came out in 2019.

Speaker 1: 55:48

18, 19. 19. Same year, kingdom Hearts 3 came out.

Speaker 2: 55:53

Yeah, there you go, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:54

But, that's my point is. And then what happens the following year? That's when the kickoff of all the insanity that's been happening the past five years. 2020 is the starting point, you know, like we go into this crazy event and then in 2022, people start slowly getting back into the normal things and they're like what happened the past two years? I feel like I don't know. I feel like the world stopped or a bunch of stuff happened that we like it was just weird. And then you know, every year since then it's been crazy thing after crazy thing that in the past we would have just chalked it up to coincidence. But now we're getting all the info and saying like, oh my gosh, what that? Like? Okay, when we talked about the hurricane yeah that swept through.

Speaker 2: 56:41

It was supposed to be a hundred year storm, but it was chaotic. And coincidentally, there's cobalt right in the area that that hurricane went through and decimated everybody. Coincidentally, there's a government contract to a private company that's trying to mine all that crap and, and you know so, it's like now, every single storm there's like a conspiracy theory behind it, ever since 2020. So, anyways, that's my rant and rave.

Speaker 1: 57:09

That is your mini corner of this episode.

Speaker 2: 57:12

Yeah, we could get into it, but we're not going to.

Speaker 1: 57:15

So end game, End game. I love this movie.

Speaker 2: 57:22

It's a good movie, good, pretty good, and the wizards finally help out the wizards, finally help out.

Speaker 1: 57:24

So a quick summary uh, thanos in in game. Uh, infinity war one. So now all the heroes decide to get together yeah, to go back in time, because ant-man accidentally discovered time travel, time heist, and so they go. Decide to go back in time because Ant-Man accidentally discovered time travel, time heist, and so they decide to go back in time to steal all the Infinity Stones from corresponding past events of the Marvel Universe, to come back there to snap their fingers, snap, do the snap again, bring everybody back and then go bring the stones back. Correct, at this point, they had found Thanos.

Speaker 1: 58:00

They killed Thanos, yes, and now, while they're traveling back in time a past Thanos— Finds out about it, finds out about it, gets saucy about it, gets saucy about it and comes back with them to the future, to the present Well, to the present. And now there's a huge fight that happens, one of the coolest fight scenes in movies, definitely a great one and they fight thanos, they win, they, and spoiler again, we're gonna be spoilers and the person who has to do the snap is Tony Stark, iron man, and he dies. It felt good because we finally lost something and again, it wasn't just another cookie cutter Marvel movie.

Speaker 2: 58:53

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 58:54

There was actual real consequences in this movie. Sure, there was actual real consequences in this movie. And we end with Captain America deciding to bring all the stones back and he decides to stay in the past. Essentially yes, because he was a time traveler, like he was frozen cryogenically.

Speaker 2: 59:14

He didn't like any of the modern women he wants his lady.

Speaker 1: 59:19

So he had to go back in time, but it's such a great, neat bow on the top of this Marvel present. Yeah, like this movie is not the best Marvel movie, but they pay off so much that it's worth it.

Speaker 2: 59:35

Yeah yeah, it's not no Winter Soldier, am I right?

Speaker 1: 59:39

You are right about that, sir. So after that we get again another not incredible movie.

Speaker 2: 59:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 59:49

But one that pays off so much that it hits you good in nostalgic feels and it builds up and pays off, and that's Spider-Man no Way Home. Yeah, I'm sorry. No, I apologize, it's not no way home, it's uh far from home, yeah I just realized this.

Speaker 2: 1:00:06

The reason that the wizards weren't helping out until infinity war and end game is because why would wizards help muggles?

Speaker 1: 1:00:18

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2: 1:00:19

There's definitely a stigma there, so I guess it wasn't until the wizard way of life was being infringed on that they decided to jump in and help. There you go.

Speaker 1: 1:00:28

That's what it is. So, yeah, and I'm going to kind of go through these quickly, because after Infinity War there was not that many good movies, so we had Spider-Man, far from home. Okay, that was good, but I just feel like all I remember is the great climactic moment of peter fighting all the robots and all that stuff you know, and then him catching the gun.

Speaker 2: 1:00:55

Oh yeah, yeah, and it's like the sunglasses he's pointing at him, but it's really a gun and far from home was frustrating because it was like you're dealing with a like an actual magician, not like a sorcerer supreme right somebody using illusion yeah illusionist and it's like hey, you're, I'm making you punch yourself in the face and you're like stop it.

Speaker 1: 1:01:20

Some of the best visuals of like that mind trickery and loopiness that's like is this real, is it not?

Speaker 2: 1:01:26

I liked that in that movie have you seen the real, where it's uh peter kissing um? Mary jane mary jane and then, it's Mysterio cutting like gotcha, Sick. Yeah, Mysterio like changes his appearance back from. He was pretending to be Mary Jane, so he looked like Mary Jane and then they kiss and then Mysterio's like gotcha.

Speaker 1: 1:01:53

So anyways, that's a good movie. And then this is where we start getting hit and miss, hits and misses and eventually a lot of misses, and that is starting with black widow. Black widow story was okay mid it was mid, thank you, but it was just so demeaning. There was not a single male character in that movie that was portrayed in any positive light. It was like one of those. It started that it was very much a feminist movie.

Speaker 2: 1:02:30

That's probably why it was mid.

Speaker 1: 1:02:33

Probably why it was mid.

Speaker 2: 1:02:35

When you make those distinctions and say like, hey, you're lesser or you're bad just because of your gender, then you cut out an entire-.

Speaker 1: 1:02:44

It didn't blatantly flat out say it, but you can kind of tell that's what the message was.

Speaker 2: 1:02:50

I mean, yeah, it was pretty obvious, like guys are either dumb or bad.

Speaker 1: 1:02:55

Yeah. So yeah either dumb or bad. Yeah and so yeah. And when you do that again, I like the character ulana and I like the character red guardian. Yeah, they're good characters and they do fix them later on but, in this particular movie.

Speaker 1: 1:03:10

it's not great, and it's also another MCU problem. Of these characters were introduced in this movie, right yeah, and they might be good in another movie, but you have to watch this new movie or know what happens in this movie to watch the next movie. Sure, it's like one giant story you have to watch everything for or you're going to miss something important.

Speaker 2: 1:03:36

Yeah, yeah. I guess what I was getting at is like I don't know if the movie is necessarily awful, but when you're targeting a demographic in a negative light, the demographic just tunes out. I know that's what happened to me. I'm not trying to throw shade on the movie, I just tuned out because I can only take so much of being like, hey, because you're this, you're awful sinner, but I've been saved by grace, by the Lord Jesus Christ, and now my new identity is in Christ, and Christ is perfect and Christ is holy. So that makes me holy because Christ is in me, amen. And so, yeah, I mean I'll put it that way I am without Christ, I'm a wretched sinner and I need help. But I've got Christ. So I I feel the value of Christ rushing through my veins. So, yeah, it's like why would I watch something that's just going to tell you that you're awful? Yeah, bring me down. It's like I don't care what you think about me, I've been made new. I'm a new man in Jesus.

Speaker 1: 1:04:52

So, and that's it's subtle in this movie, where later on it's very blatant in its bashing of specific, mostly men, a lot of times. Yeah, but Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.

Speaker 2: 1:05:08

What did you think of that?

Speaker 1: 1:05:08

movie. I liked it. I liked that movie too. It is, I mean, besides Awkwafina you know, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm just tired she's one of those actresses that is showing up in everything right now and I feel like she's not a really different in any of it.

Speaker 2: 1:05:24

Yeah, she is one of those characters.

Speaker 1: 1:05:25

She's a character yeah, she's the one. She doesn't change how she acts. Yeah, it's a good kung fu movie, but it doesn't really fully tie into too much, besides hinting at a past villain in it for three seconds, which was the abomination. Uh, another movie that's awful the eternals. Yeah, yeah, some alphabet like alphabet community a lot in this movie, so skip it. But the only thing you need to know about this movie is that at the end, a giant is living in the earth like us, a egg, and it tries to hatch out and they turn it to a metal which ends up being vibranium oh yeah, yep, forgot about that now let's talk about the what I think is the best spider-man movie, which is no way home, that's just because it's got uh

Speaker 1: 1:06:16

because of deep nostalgia. Yeah, so, like I talked about earlier, there was two different actors who played spider-man in different, uh, film franchises, franchises. So spider-man with toby mcguire, then the amazing spider-man with andrew garfield to toby mcguire the mcguire yeah so. So in this movie, peter Parker teams up with Spider-Man, teams up with Doctor Strange, and accidentally opens up a rift to other universes. Correct, because he was trying to fix the fact that everybody found out he was Peter Parker.

Speaker 2: 1:06:52

Correct.

Speaker 1: 1:06:53

And so he wants everybody to forget it. And then, somehow or another, the magic that Doctor Strange does opens up a rift and pulls in all of these past movie villains for the Tobey Maguire movies and the Andrew Garfield movies. And then, in some of the best moments revealed, so does Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield show up in this movie. Yep.

Speaker 2: 1:07:18

So does Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield show up in this movie. Yep, I'm not going to dog this movie too much, but the whole like what Peter Parker tries to do in the movie it really comes across as like freaky Friday magic, you know what I mean. Like it's like I want everyone to forget who I am and then he just wakes up and then there's just a bunch of random people that know who he is and they're all here Right From other universes, other universes. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:07:44

So this is really the start of the multiverse.

Speaker 2: 1:07:47

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:07:47

Stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:07:48

So Correct and we can all blame yet again the wizard.

Speaker 1: 1:07:52

The wizard. Speaking of the wizard, why is Jim being so mean to the wizard? Or why is Jim treating the magician?

Speaker 2: 1:08:00

so poorly.

Speaker 1: 1:08:03

Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Do not watch this movie. Yeah, it is not a bad movie. We watched it so that you don't have to Correct. It is not a bad movie. I think the movie is good. It executes its story very well, but it is heavily satanic.

Speaker 2: 1:08:24

It is demonic. It has a lot of blatant demonic witchcraft magic in it.

Speaker 1: 1:08:30

This is the one we were referencing earlier, where he is using blatant demons and corpses and all these awful things to his advantage in a yeah, in a conjuring way.

Speaker 2: 1:08:42

He yeah, he's using a book of dark magic to be able to fix the issue that he has, which is a wanda who's trying to get the same dark magic to get her hypothetical children into her reality. She's seen them in other realities so she knows they exist in other realities, but she wants them to exist in her reality so at this point, by the way, marvel is now putting out tv shows.

Speaker 1: 1:09:14

Yes, so we didn't talk about it, but she lost vision, her husband, who is a robot her, well, not her husband, her lover her lover. You're this true, yep? And so she has gone and taken over a whole city and created like this fantasy world for herself let's be, let's not be too generous. It's a township, it's small yeah, but she's created this whole reality for herself with her magic.

Speaker 2: 1:09:40

She's used her magic to imprison the people that live there, to create her perfect little world, to create a little 90s sitcom.

Speaker 1: 1:09:50

It was different sitcoms from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s.

Speaker 2: 1:09:53

Throughout the ages, I guess. But yeah, she's trying to create a sitcom environment where she still has vision and her and Vision have kids in this reality.

Speaker 1: 1:10:02

So she goes through all that, and this is again the beginning of belittling characters. I think more they do it a lot in the TV shows, yeah, where she builds this out, they stop her, but she's all doing it just to have her perfect little life, yeah. And you find out that there's another witch in this bubble trying to siphon off and kind of live in this reality and benefit from it, and that's Agatha.

Speaker 2: 1:10:30

All along, all along, and so she is using this evil book to help her with this and Wanda ends up beating her and getting this dark book. Well, the reason that she's there is because she believes that Wanda is the red phoenix or something like that I think they never call Wanda the Scarlet Witch.

Speaker 1: 1:10:55

That is what she thinks she is is the Scarlet Witch.

Speaker 2: 1:10:57

Yeah, agatha thinks that W is is the scarlet witch. Yeah, agatha thinks that wanda is the scarlet witch, which is like a lore. Um, essentially it's a witch, messiah. Yeah, that's what it's portrayed as, and so she's trying to get the power that's inside wanda and extract it, and then wanda ends up defeating agatha, getting then embracing the scarlet witch identity.

Speaker 1: 1:11:21

And then, where wanda was kind of neutral correct, closer to good, but kind of neutral she now has this evil book. So in dr strange in the multiverse of madness, she is now, uh, utilizing that book to try to go to another multiverse so she can have her children again, and so the whole movie is this girl from another universe who can travel from multiverse to multiverse. That's her power. Wanda is after her to utilize her power to go to another universe and I've talked about several times. The biggest issue to me with this movie is that they should have had that a creature chasing them. And then the twist is Wanda was the villain, yeah, but they reveal immediately at the beginning of the movie that Wanda is the villain, correct, and so that was my biggest problem with that movie.

Speaker 2: 1:12:13

Outside of the satanicness, yeah, and I mean the show was pretty good, my wife loved it, but then they came out with the movie and it ruins the character and it almost takes away from all the development that happened in the show again.

Speaker 1: 1:12:30

It's a marvel problem recently that they build up and develop a character just to tear them back down.

Speaker 2: 1:12:36

Well it it feels more like and develop a character just to tear them back down. Well, it feels more like they're not getting directors who are on board with the overall vision of the story and they want to do their creative whatever. And so because I mean we talked about this they were going to have one director do Doctor Strange and then, out of nowhere, they had another guy and he's known for his horror stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:13:02

I can't even Sam Raimi Raimi, which is the same director who directed the three Topi McGuire Spider-Man movies yeah, oh, sam. Raimi Sam Raimi, but he also directed the Evil Dead. Yeah, yeah, and some other horror stuff. So it's, the movie is very horror. Yeah, it, and some other horror stuff. So the movie is very horror. Yeah, it's very deeply horror and really disturbing imagery in it.

Speaker 2: 1:13:22

Yeah, and they kind of I feel like they wasted some good cameos because they pulled some really great like I mean Professor from X-Men yeah, he's in it.

Speaker 1: 1:13:36

Patrick Stewart's in it, a lot of John Krasinski as Mr he's in it. Uh, patrick stewart's in it. Um, a lot of john krasinski as mr fantastic is in it. Yeah, which he's in that, because that was a fan favorite, what everybody wanted him to play that character.

Speaker 2: 1:13:48

But I'm just saying like they, they could have utilized that cameo elsewhere yeah, in a better way.

Speaker 1: 1:13:54

Yeah, because it's so short of a moment and I think all these characters should have been in it more. Yeah, so let's get off of the satanic movie. Yeah. Moving on Into the in my opinion, the worst Marvel movie, oh, thor, love and Thunder.

Speaker 2: 1:14:13

Oh man, but it's about love at the end.

Speaker 1: 1:14:15

Yeah, and it's literally a character. It's so stupid. All right, what I'm going to say about this movie is that they take Thor again, build them up from the previous movie, after he is, you know, had another revelation about himself and broke them back down. Yes, and it's just such poor writing. I'm sorry, but they have his weapon, which is a hammer, yes, and, uh, his in an axe, right, they're sentient now. They have feelings and emotions in this movie and it's just like the whole movie is them just. The only good thing about this movie is that one awesome dialogue from christian bell playing gore gorn I've only seen this movie once and I, christian Bale playing gore Gorn I've only seen this movie once. Yeah, gore.

Speaker 2: 1:15:01

Gore.

Speaker 1: 1:15:03

And he is having his dialogue in the black and white world. It's just Christian Bale acting good, and so, besides that, it's just so demeaning to all the characters. The final fight is not even really Thor. He gives his power to a bunch of kids and they fight for him.

Speaker 2: 1:15:21

Yeah, almost promoting child slavery Kind of Now. Yeah, there were some problems with Thor, love and Thunder that I do like the ending in the sense that, like the reason that the villain is doing what he's doing is because he loses his only child due to the vanity of these, this class of entities that have deified themselves.

Speaker 1: 1:15:52

And so he. Everything about this movie that concerns Christian Bale is good.

Speaker 2: 1:15:57

Yeah, so he's on a quest to try and destroy all the gods of the universe and at the end, like Thor and company, realize where he's coming from and realize the way to defeat him is to bring love back into his life. Yeah, and love is his only daughter yeah literally named love. Yeah, literally name up, but they're able to. I can't remember how they do it, but they are able to bring her back, because isn't it like an entity that can make a wish?

Speaker 2: 1:16:28

yeah, what he was after yeah, it's kind of what it is, and so they they make the wish to bring her back and gore christian bill's character is like he gives up and is at peace with it, and natalie portman's character also ends up dying from it. But you're left with the little girl, love and four, and he's essentially finally has single father, yeah, something to take care of, who something to take care of, who has something to take care of, and he relinquishes the identity of being the deity Thor and being the dad Thor. He goes throughout the universe helping people, because that's what love wants to do. Love wants to help people. Yeah, you know so.

Speaker 1: 1:17:13

Yeah, it's just, it's a decent story in there, but it's just so wrapped in this demeaning, really goofy comedy. Yeah, that just really takes you out of what they're trying to show in this movie. Agreed, so let's talk about black panther for a second. Black panther, wakanda, forever. I don't want to talk about it for too long, sure, but just I want to talk about these next two because they're okay. One I enjoy Marvel movies. I'll watch them and I enjoy most of them Thor and Love and Thunder. I hated because it didn't feel like a real Marvel movie. Yeah, it didn't have the heart of Marvel movies, but Black Panther and Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumanium they're both okay movies. Yeah, they're not great. Marvel hasn't been great in a while. It's just like they're making them for essentially the lowest tier of their fans at this point.

Speaker 2: 1:18:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:18:10

So just both those movies again. Movies guardians of the galaxy, volume three, was good. I did like that movie.

Speaker 2: 1:18:19

The first swear word in all marvel the first f word, the first f word in all of marvel, and that was like the big deal about the movie.

Speaker 1: 1:18:30

They made a huge deal and it's done in the stupidest way. Like I'm not. Like, I'm not saying cussing is okay, but there was so many other ways they could have used that in that movie. If that's what they were going to do, yeah, and it would have been a better moment Like a hype moment, right, but no, it's used as a very quick, witty joke. Yeah. So, james Gunn, there you go.

Speaker 2: 1:18:57

Watch your profanity. Watch your profanity, yeah, I want. I do want to say about the black panther movie though that was a legitimate retcon because the bozeman died in real life like it's not really a retcon, because they killed him off in that movie but I mean, like, as far as the character black panther, chadwick bosman dies from cancer, but they're still trying, they're still scheduled to like so a wreck do this, and so they're, they're having.

Speaker 1: 1:19:22

You're right, they didn't wreck on it, but I'm just saying like they had to redesign and shift everything sure to make a second black panther movie, yeah, which really honestly, in reality, they just shouldn't have made a second Black Panther movie. They introduced Riri Williams in this, which is Ironheart, which her show just came out. It's not good Again. It introduces a major Marvel villain in that movie. I mean in that show, like at the last minute. Who was it? Mephisto? Oh Spoilers, yeah. Show late like at the last minute. Who wasn't mephisto?

Speaker 2: 1:19:59

oh spoilers, yeah, that is technically 2025, so whoops, but whatever. Wait, ironheart, who's that supposed to be? That's the one who also has an iron man suit, but it's a chick oh, I thought you were saying that the that, uh, the black panther's sister became ironheart.

Speaker 1: 1:20:12

No, riri williri Williams is in Wakanda, Forever that character, and then she just got her own show.

Speaker 2: 1:20:18

Who is she in Wakanda Forever?

Speaker 1: 1:20:19

She's the girl with the Iron man suit.

Speaker 2: 1:20:22

I'll have to go back and watch it. I don't remember the Iron man suit popping up, so talking. Did you see, though, that the actress who plays the Black Panther sister, shiri Shiri, she became a Christian Really, she got saved and she walked away from Hollywood Really. Yeah, she was like I got saved, I believe in Jesus and I love Jesus, and so I'm stepping away from my career to focus on my faith. Nice, and I was like.

Speaker 1: 1:20:54

So they're going to have to retcon again.

Speaker 2: 1:20:55

Yeah, so I don't know what they're going to do, but yeah, so she was like she did an interview and that's what she said in the interview. So she might be back on the screen again in the future, but right now she's focusing on the Lord, good good, you know who wasn't focusing on the Lord.

Speaker 1: 1:21:14

Doctor Strange, no, Deadpool and Wolverine oh yeah, they weren't either. That is a Marvel MCU movie.

Speaker 2: 1:21:21

A very naughty nasty one.

Speaker 1: 1:21:23

So there is that one curse in one F-bomb, as they say in Guardians of the Galaxy, volume 3. As they say, the other 700-something F-bombs. 700? It's a ridiculous number, it is a lot, as in Deadpool and Wolverine.

Speaker 2: 1:21:38

Yeah, all in one movie.

Speaker 1: 1:21:40

Yeah, and then let's quickly talk about this year's movies.

Speaker 2: 1:21:44

Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:21:45

And all I'll say is that Captain America, brave New World, thunderbolts and Fantastic Four are all good movies. Okay, they have progressively gotten better in my opinion. Yeah, on, you know, with that like where Brave New World was mid but entertaining.

Speaker 2: 1:22:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:22:09

It's just like. It's almost like something happened, that they had to redo the movie because a lot of the visuals were pretty bad. But at the end of the day the story was good and the execution was decent. Thunderbolts was good. It was above mid in my opinion. Mm-hmm, really. And as of recording this, fantastic Four just came out last weekend.

Speaker 2: 1:22:29

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:22:31

Incredible movie. Yeah, it looks pretty good, it was really really good. So a lot of and then kind of getting off topic. Superman came out this year, totally different color. I know, but what I'm saying is when we're talking about superhero movies, when you have four superhero movies come out in the same year and they're all good. I'm kind of excited for MCU's future right now. Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:22:56

Yeah, I want to believe that Disney has hemorrhaged so much money because of the bad decisions they've made in production.

Speaker 1: 1:23:06

Mm-hmm that they are finally getting their act together.

Speaker 2: 1:23:10

They're actually realizing like, hey, we've lost so much money and it's not because of anything out of our control, it's 100% in our control, and so we need to figure out how to get back on track.

Speaker 1: 1:23:24

To my understanding they had gone. The reason why visually, brave New Captain America, brave New World visually looks weird and it's kind of odd of a movie, yeah, is that starting last year, they started going back and taking out a lot of the alphabet, community and wokeness that they had in these movies, yeah, uh, they were seeing that these things were not bringing the crowds in like they thought it was going to. Yeah, so they went in and took out a lot of plot points and storylines that they had in this movie, right, true, and it cost them visuals. At the end, the last fight in that movie goes back to looking like a video game instead of realistic, to looking like a video game instead of realistic, yeah, and so I guess they started that and didn't have time to finish the visuals in some parts of the movie, yeah, and then you look at Thunderbolts and it's again. It feels a little, just disjointed a little bit, but not as bad as Captain America.

Speaker 2: 1:24:31

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:24:33

And then you get Fantastic Four and there is nothing. Captain America, yeah. And then you get Fantastic Four, and there is nothing wrong with that movie yeah, At all. And it makes me think that they did a heavy pivot and change on a lot of their content and we were seeing the effects of it and it progressively got better throughout the year.

Speaker 2: 1:24:51

Yeah, yeah, because I mean here's an example the live-action Snow White, mm-hmm. Originally like they should have cast dwarves throughout the year. Yeah, yeah, because I mean, here's an example the live action snow white originally like they should have cast dwarves to be the dwarves and they didn't. They were trying to be inclusive. So they said they made seven magical beings and everyone got super upset about it and so they CGI dwarves. Yeah, back to the original character, back to the characters, when it's like you should have just done dwarves all along and the problem is is for that movie the fix wasn't enough.

Speaker 1: 1:25:27

That movie is still bad.

Speaker 2: 1:25:28

Well, yeah, because it was like you didn't want to do dwarves, because you didn't want to be against the political correctness, and then nobody wants to watch a movie that is owned solely about political correctness.

Speaker 1: 1:25:43

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:25:44

And then, rather than correcting the issue, you just try to salvage what's left, and nobody cares.

Speaker 1: 1:25:51

They didn't have time to fix Snow White and I think that they had enough time to do enough to fix Captain America. Yeah, and that's kind of, in my opinion, how it is. Yeah, right, I think that I'm hopeful because I think that movie that just come out, elio, is the same way. They took out a lot of alphabet related things in that as well.

Speaker 2: 1:26:11

I would not go see Elio. Is it still bad? Well, I was looking at a review of it and there's a lot of stuff that he's doing to try and get aliens to come and abduct him is a lot of conjuring magic. Gotcha alluded alluded to conjuring magic. He's not explicitly casting spells, but like he sets up the different things that he sets up the different things that he's doing, it's witchcraft related.

Speaker 2: 1:26:40

It's witchcraft related Gotcha, and so it's once again. It's Hollywood putting subliminal messaging in the movie to condition kids to say this is okay because it's in a movie that I like. Yeah, so I would. I'm, as a father, I would not, really I would not be keen on letting my kids go and watch leo for the blatant witchcraft, subliminal messaging that's in the movie that's understandable.

Speaker 1: 1:27:08

So, yeah, I think that there's still stuff we're gonna have in movies. Yeah, that is bad, but they are attempting to take out stuff that they are seeing. That's not making them money, and I'm all for that. Improve yourself, because I'd like to get back to a point where I feel comfortable taking a child to a disney movie without having to look up whether or not you should be able to do it or not.

Speaker 2: 1:27:33

Yeah, yeah. They just need to get back to making what everybody wants to watch, not what they think 5% of the population cares about.

Speaker 1: 1:27:43

And I will say again Fantastic Four you can pretty much let your kid watch. It's still a little violent of a movie, is all yeah?

Speaker 2: 1:27:54

I'll make that decision myself. I'm speaking in a general sense, not your child, I'm just kidding Anyways that's the MCU. There you go.

Speaker 1: 1:28:02

That's our very brief, but what felt like for you forever us ranting about sorcerers. Yeah we did get into that a lot, didn't we? But?

Speaker 2: 1:28:13

we. I mean, there was no deep diving going on today.

Speaker 1: 1:28:16

No, that's what's crazy. And how deep and how massive this franchise is. Yeah, it might sound like we got on tangents and deep dives into this. This was all incredibly surface level.

Speaker 2: 1:28:29

Yeah, yeah, there's so much more we could have gotten into, but we just wanted to give a highlight and just give a general talk on it and I enjoyed this talk and it was a good talk. Yeah, you know what? I'm glad that we got to reveal the true darkness of the wizards that's right and make everybody realize that. You know what, if they're not for Gondor, then they're not good, that's right. I don't know out for.

Speaker 1: 1:28:55

Gondor, then they're not good, that's right, I don't know. So anyways, thank you so much everybody for joining us on this episode 46. 46, baby Of the Saints that Serve podcast. Yeah boy, yeah boy. What is that?

Speaker 2: 1:29:10

What is that from? I don't know. It's a snippet of some like dude. He's just like looking dude. He's just like looking back. He's going yeah, boy. So yeah, that's all we've got. So Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now.

Speaker 1: 1:29:27

We are the saints that serve what are you feeling so stupid?

Speaker 2: 1:29:53

that wasn't the sound bite, that was me. What are you feeling so stupid? That wasn't the sound bite, that was me. Oh, no, yeah, boy. No, that's gross.