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Welcome to the Saints that Serve, podcast where, each week, your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith, culture and the unknown.

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Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now. We are the Saints that Serve.

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Welcome to the Saints that Serve, podcast.

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That is, the Saints that Serve podcast.

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Yeah, boy, where we come together each week and we talk about what we want to talk about. Whatever it is, we're going to talk about it.

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That's right, we tend to talk about pop culture, but not today, today, and we're coming straight from the Antarctic base with all the windows open. It is so cold down here. You're welcome, oh my gosh.

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I can't control the, because the thermostat's upstairs Uh-huh, and it's going to be hot upstairs. So it's going to be the temperature that the thermostat's at upstairs Mm-hmm, but the basement, just it keeps blowing.

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And it keeps, and it's going to keep it cooler down here because you know we're underground. Yeah, so that's right, we're coming straight from our underground bunker.

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Straight from the underground with.

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Mission failed. We'll get them next time. Why did we fail that was labeled Bill Nye. But it's not Bill Nye anymore. Somebody changed it. Uh-oh, just start pressing buttons.

Speaker 2: 1:46

Oh yeah, there-oh, Just start pressing buttons. Oh yeah, there we go. Yeah, all right, redemption Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:53

But yeah, because it's like the surface of the sun outside right now, you've got to have the cold air on. That's just a necessity.

Speaker 2: 2:01

I just want to say to that one lady who is in England who made that TikTok about how. England heat is like no other heat or whatever dude.

Speaker 1: 2:17

And she's like she says, yeah, it's 32 Celsius. And you look it up and it like 75 degrees, 75 degrees. It's like I'd love to have 75 degrees right now. That's fall weather here.

Speaker 2: 2:28

Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, it's been averaging 96, 98 in the middle of the day here in Georgia, and then the humidity is always 60 and above, so it has been quite scorching. Also by the way, just so y'all know, I know that 32 degrees Celsius is not 75.

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No, we're Americans, we don't care enough to know the exact yeah, we're wrong and we're not going to be right about it because we don't care about the Celsius.

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Yeah, we don't care about the metric Metric. What is that?

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Imperial all the way.

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But to all of our European friends, trick. What is that? Imperial? All the way. But to all of our European friends, thank you for listening. Yeah, we love you. Sorry we can't translate it over for you, but I'm sure you know. Just so you guys know, it is 7 o'clock at night here and it is 92 degrees outside Gosh. So actually this is for. I don't know why it's for Dallas, texas, it's probably even hotter.

Speaker 1: 3:27

Hold on, you think it's hotter here now than Texas?

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It's hotter here than it is in Honolulu.

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Hawaii. We are currently on the surface of the sun.

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It is insane Nope, never mind.

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Dallas, texas is hotter by how much? Five degrees Gotcha. It's 87 degrees right now, and what is that in Celsius?

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We don't care, got them, just take a high number yeah boy. Oh sorry.

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Oh, I got my own. Okay, we don't want to be copyrighted by my own. Okay, we don't want to be copyrighted by Soldier Boy.

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Ew, yeah, that wouldn't be good, anyways, but yeah, so it's hot, but that's okay, because we're going to keep on recording regardless.

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You know what else is hot? This podcast episode's topic, that's right, but before we get into that topic, what's the announcements for today?

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That's right. But before we get into that topic, what's the announcements for today? We're doing a live stream worship night the first Friday of August, which is August 1st. It will be at 630. You can tune in and we'll be in the live chat and then music will start at 7. So that's coming up and then every Friday we pray for you. So if you have any prayer requests, feel free to reach out to us through social media. You can reach out through a direct messaging link at the bottom of the show notes for this podcast episode and all the other episodes, and you can email us at saintsthatserve at gmailcom.

Speaker 1: 5:06

Also, I don't think we talk about it enough. Yeah, we have a website.

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Yeah, you can go at saintsthatservecom, the Saints that Serve Pod.

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No, saintsthatservepodcom or also saintsthatservecom will also work.

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There you go, check us out, because we are semi pro, semi pro.

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We have a website, oh yeah, yeah.

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So that's all I got for announcements. Are you ready to get into the topic for tonight? Heck yeah, all right, we are going to be talking about the Mormon church.

Speaker 1: 5:44

I love how you have Catholic sound.

Speaker 2: 5:46

I realize that's Gregorian chanting, but I didn't have enough time to try and find a Mormon.

Speaker 1: 5:52

Mormon chanting. Mormon chanting. Whatever that is, it is Catholic. No, geez, not Catholic. I don't even like in my mind the way it was going. It's Pause for effect.

Speaker 2: 6:05

I'm trying to remember what the word is.

Speaker 1: 6:06

I'd even felt like in my mind the way it was going. It's pause for effect. I'm trying to remember what the word is. It's not Christianity, but Mormonism, it's a cult. No, the word for Christianity that you get mad for me not using. Oh, protestant, thank you.

Speaker 2: 6:22

Christian Catholics are Christian too.

Speaker 1: 6:28

Through Christianity. Jeez, that's going in the bloopers.

Speaker 2: 6:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 6:32

No, the Protestants versus Mormonism, there we go.

Speaker 2: 6:37

Yeah. Or you could just say the true gospel versus the fake gospel, right Right Truth versus false Falsehoods. But yeah, we call them Mormons, but-.

Speaker 1: 6:49

We also call it a cult.

Speaker 2: 6:50

Yes, we also call it a cult, but they call themselves the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Speaker 1: 6:57

So until I did my research for this podcast, I didn't realize that Mormonism in the Church of the Latter-day Saints was the same thing. I thought that was something different. Ldsers LDSers.

Speaker 2: 7:10

Yeah, they are Mormons For a while there. I don't know if they're still really doing it, but for a while there they were trying to distance themselves from the term Mormon.

Speaker 1: 7:23

Oh yeah, Because they got a bad name for themselves. On it.

Speaker 2: 7:26

I guess, yeah, they wanted to refute because everyone was calling them a cult. I guess they were like, no, we're the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day.

Speaker 1: 7:33

Saints, even though you don't believe what Jesus represents.

Speaker 2: 7:38

They don't know, they don't believe in what Jesus says about himself truly at its essence, because they believe that everyone can become like Jesus for their own universe. That's the epitome of their doctrine We'll get into it.

Speaker 1: 7:52

Yeah, big brother, jesus, I believe, is what they call them. Yeah, all he'll miss is it's crazy.

Speaker 2: 7:58

Well, and I don't know if they, because, like Jehovah Witnesses, they make the distinction that Jesus is the Son of God, but Jesus is not God the Father.

Speaker 1: 8:12

Yeah, God the Son.

Speaker 2: 8:14

They are two separate beings, whereas you know, the rest of the church says that Jesus and the Father and the Spirit are all one being with three different persons. So Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in Trinitarianism, and I don't think that Mormons do either. I don't think that they hold to the Trinity.

Speaker 1: 8:40

So you want to get into this, let's get into it, all right, for the sake of my lack of being able to pronounce certain words for this particular episode, we will be referencing Protestants as Christianity Okay, and Mormonism as LDS no problem, even though I can say Mormonism.

Speaker 2: 9:00

I will say that if you go and type in the Mormonism in the Wikipediaorg, it's header for it. It's the theology and religious tradition of the Latter-day Saint movement of restorationist Christianity started by Joseph Smith Dum, dum, dum, dum dum. So Joseph Smith is the founder of the Church of Latter-day Saints and I think the argument is that he was trying to. I think one of the arguments he was trying to make was making the true church of Jesus Christ, because all the other churches are corrupt.

Speaker 1: 9:43

So I wouldn't normally recommend somebody go watch something from South Park on any other occasion but this, but search on YouTube Joseph Smith, south Park and watch that it's. It's pretty funny. Yeah, I showed it to John right before we started recording. It's pretty funny. But yeah, yeah, I showed it to John right before we started recording. Yeah, it's pretty funny. It's pretty funny. But yeah, christianity it began in the first century AD. You know why, I guess. Technically, when did Christianity really start? When you look at it from the point of view of Jesus, does it start when Jesus started his ministry, when he was born, after the death?

Speaker 2: 10:28

I mean, technically you'd have to say the resurrection, because that's when all things were completed. Okay, so you think that that's when it started. Well, the Holy Spirit didn't come until Pentecost, after Christ goes up into heaven. But the idea of Christ's atonement for sin because that's the big thing with Christianity, that's what sets us apart from Judaism is the Old Testament sacrificial law system is fulfilled in Christ's death, burial, resurrection. Okay. And so the idea of you are a sinner. No one is perfect, no one can come to the Father because they are all imperfect and in sin. So Christ pays the price for our sin, so that we can be forgiven, so that we can come before the Father. That doesn't happen until Christ dies as the atoning sacrifice and then is resurrected, and then he comes back.

Speaker 2: 11:26

And that's where Christianity hinges on. If Christ just died and did not come back to life, it means nothing. He would just be a moral teacher that passed away, right, but because he rose from the dead. That's what started the Christian movement. This man who claimed to be God is God. Christian movement is. This man who claimed to be God is God. And now he's calling all sinners to repentance through his perfect sacrifice. So that's when, I would say Christianity starts is when Christ fulfills what he needs to fulfill.

Speaker 1: 11:59

So, when we're talking about the founding of because we'll be comparing the two, this whole episode Yep. Christianity began in the first century AD, centered on the teachings, death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.

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Jesus of Nazareth no-transcript.

Speaker 1: 12:33

Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum. The key founders, of course Christianity, is Jesus, that's right, the divine founder, with early leadership from the apostles Peter Paul, you understand, correct? Then key founders for Mormonism is who? Joseph Smith? Joseph Smith who claimed divine visions, including one from God, the Father and Jesus, because apparently those are separate for some reason.

Speaker 2: 13:03

Yeah, that's where it's gray for me, brit, for some reason. Yeah, that's where. That's where it's gray for me is. Is it like jesus shows up in physical form and then later he has a vision from the father and he's just like he? He doesn't distinguish between the two, like he still acknowledges that they're the same. They're just different persons of this singular god. Or is he he saying that Jesus is a different person from the Father? That's where it's shady for me.

Speaker 1: 13:28

Right and I have it in my notes somewhere. So their views on Jesus right and we'll get, let's get into that. So for us right yes, jesus is fully God and fully man.

Speaker 2: 13:40

Yes.

Speaker 1: 13:41

The eternal second person of the Trinity. He is the savior of humanity, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died on the cross and rose from the dead. Yes, mormons believe LDS. Jesus is the first born spirit child of God, the Father, and a heavenly mother. Yeah, he is divine, but separate from the father. Dum dum dum, dum dum. He became the savior through obedience and example and he's referred to as our elder brother.

Speaker 1: 14:15

Yeah, ew, sorry, I bumped the mic. You're good, so it's just like it's. It's crazy, dude, because it's. It's the same thing that we talk about when we talk about scientology. It is a human person coming forth saying I saw these things great, where's your proof? It's in my head, just believe me, follow me. Yeah, and that he makes himself the figurehead of his newfound religion. You know, and I guess the problem with this is that Scientology is obviously based in science fiction. L Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer, and so none of this stuff is based in reality, correct? I see the a huge problem with mormonism is it's basing itself in truth but warping that truth. It's we, we believe in god, right, uh, but then it's and? And yeah, we believe in jesus. And then you have the weird thing like now they're separated and then God had a wife in heaven. You know what I mean, and it's ew.

Speaker 2: 15:30

So yeah, Joseph Smith claims to have visions and claims that an angel comes to him.

Speaker 1: 15:37

A Native American angel.

Speaker 2: 15:38

Yeah, and gives him an ancient text for him to interpret, and that's the Book of Mormon, which is a prophecy. And I would like to acknowledge that the Book of Mormon brings a different gospel than what you find in the Bible, and so, thankfully, god's Word is timeless and true and has everything that we need to be equipped for learning, for correction, for growth. So if you go to the book of Galatians, chapter 1, verse 8, it says but even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel writing to the Galatians, this is the first generation church, right Already having issues with different gospels being brought forth, and even gives that example. Even if an angel comes forth and tells it to you, he is wrong. If there's an altercation from the original gospel that you were given, that you believed in and you were saved under, if someone brings something different, even if it's us or an angel from heaven, let that individual be accursed.

Speaker 1: 17:08

It's crazy how specific that is opposing LDS.

Speaker 2: 17:13

Yeah, and that's the thing, dude is. There's like I know we're not talking about Jehovah's Witnesses yet, but like there's a verse that's in John and it explicitly says that Jesus is God. Right, maybe not explicitly, maybe I'm using that word wrong, but you don't have to read like, you don't have to read into it too hard. It's very clear that it's saying that Jesus is God, not the son of God, not a separate being. It's saying that Jesus is God. Every Bible translation translates it that way, except the Jehovah's Witness Bible. It says that Jesus is a God, not the God.

Speaker 1: 18:07

Not the God. Here it is. I'm sorry, I was looking through my notes. It's funny that you say that you're reading Scripture from the Bible and it's disproving immediately Mormonism. And it's disproving immediately Mormonism Because when we're talking about the scripture of Christianity or LDS, for Christianity it's the Bible.

Speaker 1: 18:40

It's composed of the Old Testament. The New Testament is considered complete and inspired by God Testament. The New Testament is considered complete and inspired by God, and Protestants, catholics and Orthodox Christians differ slightly on canon but agree on its central authority Correct. When I read this for LDS it kind of surprised me and it's going to pose a question in a second. But as LDS members revere four scriptures, they revere the Bible, king James Version, the Book of Mormon, doctrine and Covenants, modern Revelations and something called Pearl of Great Price, which apparently accrues writings of Abraham, moses and Joseph Smith. So they have all these different scriptures but one of them, the King James Version of the Bible, which is just a different translation of the Bible compared to NIV or whatever, has writings that oppose what they believe.

Speaker 1: 19:43

Yeah, so I find it interesting that this is saying that they read the Bible, but what do they just write? That cross that out when they go through it. You know what I mean. Yeah, I know a lot of people do that nowadays within Christianity, like where they pick and choose. But that's just somebody picking and choosing not to acknowledge that, to ignore that. But when you base your whole religion, I mean it's a whole religion. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 20:15

Yeah, I would even make the outlandish, or maybe not. No, it's not outlandish. I would make the radical statement that if you pick and choose scripture and you don't hold to all of it, that you're not truly following Christ. Right, because Christ makes the point that this is God's word and it's there for us to know what we believe and to hold to what we believe and so to say, like, well, I like what this says, but I don't like what this says. So I'm going to hold to the stuff I like and just not ignore the stuff I don't like. That's humanism. That's what's crept into different denominations in America and in Europe. And now they're doing very, very outlandish things that are anti what Christ taught and anti what God taught about repentance of sin and abiding in the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of the world. Because you've got now you've got LGBTQ pastors and they're like no, you're not in sin if you practice the LGBTQ stuff. Jesus loves you, regardless of who you are or what you've done or what you're doing, and he's going to love you and just receive that free love. And it's like yes, you're speaking a truth, god loves humanity but you're withholding the full truth, so you're giving a half truth.

Speaker 2: 21:45

Who did that? First, satan, in the garden. He comes to Eve and he says why don't you eat the fruit? And she's like, well, god said not to eat or even touch it or we would die. And then he's like, well, I ate the fruit and I'm not dead, look at me. And so she saw it was good to eat and she ate. And then she gave it to her husband and he ate. And now here they are and we're all naked. And now we're all naked and ashamed. But you see, that's what I'm saying, is the dialogue it goes into. Satan appears and he gives her half truths.

Speaker 2: 22:22

And he does that again in the New Testament when he comes into the wilderness to tempt Christ. He speaks scripture to Jesus and he gives half-truth and Jesus rebukes that with scripture Right.

Speaker 1: 22:38

And I guess that goes back to kind of my statement I made when we first started talking was it is, it's based within reality. But then they change things slightly. So you know, if I came up and lied to you, you would be more likely to believe something if I sprinkled in truth within that lie.

Speaker 2: 23:00

Yes.

Speaker 1: 23:02

I suppose so. Yes, I suppose so. Not Jesus in the wilderness, because he's Jesus and he immediately rebuttals with the truth. Yeah, but you know, it's just an ancient tactic of if you're going to lie to somebody, you're going to sprinkle truth into it to make your lie believable.

Speaker 2: 23:27

Well, I think that Satan gives half-truths and he lies. He is the father of lies, he's the great deceiver. But the idea is, if I can convince these people that this is truth, then they're going to operate in that ignorance, and so it's not even that someone's like. Well, I know that this is a lie, but I'm going to say it anyways. You know, that's not necessarily the case. We can't always take that stance. I think that a lot of people that are in the Mormon church, they're coming from a place of ignorance, like they believe that this is truth, but it's not the truth. But where they're coming from is it is Mm-hmm, so they stand by it. But the problem is they, if you refute them with Scripture, which is very easy to do they don't have a good rebuttal and they're trained to just come back to the church and then seek answers there, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:32

They're not like. So people get. They get into Mormons, will get in debates with like good, god-fearing Christians and then their entire paradigm will break down and then they'll start questioning and then they'll leave the church sometimes I'm not saying that or they'll shut down the debate and just walk away from it, or just walk away. Yeah, so I'm sure that maybe there are some Mormons out there who are able to win debates. I haven't seen it yet, but I I'm sure it's there. But let's get into some of the stuff they believe. So I've got an article, well, just a little snippet that talks about what they believe when it comes to the divinity or the god. You know god. So it's basically they believe in what they call the council of the three distinct divine persons. So there's God the Father, god the Son, god the Holy Ghost. God the Father and God the Son have perfected physical holy bodies, and God the Holy Ghost is a spirit who does not have a perfect body.

Speaker 1: 25:44

And again, let's be clear this is what mormonism, this is what we mormons believe.

Speaker 2: 25:49

They believe in three distinct beings but they don't believe that they're the divine council of three, and they also believe in lower gods, lowercase g gods, such as the, what we already talked about, the. What do they call her? The Heavenly.

Speaker 1: 26:18

Mother.

Speaker 2: 26:18

Heavenly Mother, heavenly Mother who married God, the Father, and then all of the Latter-day Saints who attained godhood in their afterlife.

Speaker 1: 26:29

So we're already getting a good old-fashioned pantheon here.

Speaker 2: 26:33

Yeah, it really is kind of. In a sense it's polytheism, but at the same time, it's not because they're not worshiping the other gods, they just exist. They're saying that if you're a part of the latter-day saints, this is the path to godhood. So if you want to become a god, you've got to go through, you've got to become holy in the lds church, yeah, and then when you die, you will let's, let's take it from Scientologists you will awaken the God within you.

Speaker 1: 27:05

So another thing about not how do I humble myself, but how do I make myself greater.

Speaker 2: 27:14

Well, it's a earning system just like in Islam. Right, it's what you do in this life determines your outcome in the next life.

Speaker 2: 27:24

Not your acceptance of Christ, but your action, yeah, not your repentance and humility before Christ, Because Christ's already done all the work. It's on us to receive the grace that's already there and to just and then. And this is okay. So I think some people in Christianity they do a little bit of grace abuse where it's like, well, if Christ has already done all the work, why do I need to change anything? Why don't I need to do anything? Good, the price is already paid. Yeah, if the price is already paid, why can't I just continue to receive that grace and just be in it and do whatever I want and do whatever I want, Right?

Speaker 2: 28:06

But what Christ teaches is you are forgiven and the only way to the Father is through me. So you have to be a part of me. So to do that, we receive the grace that's only found in Jesus. We repent of our sins and we come before him. And now that we are saved, it motivates us to do good, acts of good. Not we have to do acts of good to be saved, Because we are saved, we are motivated to do acts of good. So that's the big thing with Christianity If you're not motivated to do good, then I would question your salvation, because the Holy Spirit will work through you and on you and make you, and because of that working of the Holy Spirit, for what we in Christianity call sanctification.

Speaker 2: 29:01

It will give you a desire, a new heart, and it will give you a desire to want to serve others and love others and do good things. And it's not from a place of I have to do this so that I can be saved. It's a. Because I am saved, I get to do this kind of mentality, Whereas in the LDS church I have to do these things in order for me to be saved. If you had to do it in the most simplest way, that's how I would label it. Lds believe that you have to do these things in order to become a God in the afterlife.

Speaker 1: 29:39

Actions gain your salvation versus your salvation brings better actions Correct.

Speaker 2: 29:46

So, yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:50

So let's get into Joseph Smith. I was going to say how do we do it? What all do we want to get into? I mean, we can do a quick little. So this guy, joseph Smith, what is it? He's walking in the woods and he claims to have had a vision from a Native American angel, and this angel showed him the location of these tablets that had prophecy on them.

Speaker 2: 30:25

But only he can read them. It's though there was a chest that had several holy relics in it, and, yeah, one of them was golden tablets that had a prophecy on it, and he was the only one who could translate it, and he translated. What we have is the book of mormon from those tablets but only he can read it, Only he can read.

Speaker 2: 30:44

And nobody found the tablets and he never passed them on to anyone because they had to get. I think that the idea is that they had to go back up to heaven or something like that. I could be wrong on that, but Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum. Yeah, but I mean when you look at it.

Speaker 1: 30:59

Essentially, it's like had any excuse to not be able to give proof.

Speaker 2: 31:05

Yeah, it really comes across as like I'm starting this religion for my own purposes and I'm coming from a place of authority and you can't really challenge it, because you can't prove that I'm wrong.

Speaker 1: 31:21

You can't access that.

Speaker 2: 31:22

I'm wrong, can't access the evidence. Yeah, so it's one of those things where it's like I can't prove that I'm right, but you can't prove that I'm wrong, right Kind of deal, even though you could. Because it's like, well, they're not here. It's like, oh well, that's because they went back to heaven.

Speaker 1: 31:35

Right. Oh, there's always an answer to not provide proof.

Speaker 2: 31:40

So, yeah, one thing I did want to bring up. Okay, so you know he's known to write the Book of Mormon, right, it's the divine prophecy given to him. There's this book. I personally have not read it, so I can't say one way or the other how great it is. But I'm just going to read to you, like an overview of the book Was the Book of Mormon given to Joseph Smith by an angel or created from a work of fiction? The second one who was Solomon Spalding and did he have a connection with Joseph Smith? Who was Solomon Spalding and did he have a connection with Joseph Smith? This book critically examines key historical documents, personal testimonies and records of 19th century Mormon history, concluding that the Book of Mormon is an adaptation of an obscure historical novel written by Revolutionary War veteran Solomon Spalding during the War of 1812.

Speaker 1: 32:51

The book is called. Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon?

Speaker 2: 33:04

So this book came out before Joseph Smith wrote a book and it's like a historical novel. And what they're alleging is that Joseph Smith pretty much stole this book and made it the Book of Mormon and used it as the Book of Mormon, as the prophecy that God gave him.

Speaker 1: 33:20

So not only is he a liar, he's a thief.

Speaker 2: 33:25

There's one more little bit about this, but it says in 12 chapters, the authors lay out the evidence for the assertion that Sidney Rigdon, oliver Cottery and Joseph Smith Jr adapted and embellished the Spalding manuscript to create the Book of Mormon. Although based on public records and solid research, the book reads like investigative history, demonstrating that Mormon claims to the supernatural revelation and transcription of the Book of Mormon are fraudulent. So, like I said, I have not read this book. However, it is out there and I found this on Amazon. There's only one left for this particular seller, but I was told about this book a decade ago. No, even longer than that, probably, but I was sitting on an book a decade ago. No, even longer than that probably, but I was sitting on an airplane flight with a guy and he was giving me his testimony. Awesome, this guy wasn't a believer. He basically like was something was going on in his life. He was down by a river or something and it was in a van. One thing after another happened.

Speaker 1: 34:42

No, One thing after another happened.

Speaker 2: 34:46

He basically broke his back and he was in a really isolated place and there's only one or two other people with him and it was one of those things where it's like I'm going to die here on the side of this riverbank unless God shows up.

Speaker 2: 35:02

And so I can't remember if he prayed or the person with him prayed and he was healed on the spot. So his broken back was healed and came back into alignment and he got saved and he dedicated his life to serving the Lord and loving Christ. But in that he got into research on how to combat Mormonism and everything and he found this book called the, who really wrote the book of Mormon, the Spalding Enigma, and he was telling me about this book and he was like listen, the LDS church hates this book. They've been buying up copies and trying to get them off the bookshelves so that people can't find it. So it's only a matter of time before you can't find this book anymore. So I mean, here we are, a decade later and I was able to find it, but it's not a new print. This is definitely a resell. Someone had this and is reselling it.

Speaker 1: 36:00

Hey, quick Marketplace Madness. How much is that book?

Speaker 2: 36:04

It is on Amazon for $15.36.

Speaker 1: 36:09

Oh, that's not bad, not too bad. Don't let the Mormons know.

Speaker 2: 36:12

Like I said, it says for this particular seller, there's only one left in stock.

Speaker 1: 36:18

Sure, there you go. Sure, there you go. So I want to cue you up for a nice home run. Okay, so bear with me as I try to get this question out properly In the proper sense. In the proper sense, oh yeah. So we're looking at Christianity, we're looking at Mormonism, right, yes, and we're comparing the two, correct? So you have things that are common ground between the two.

Speaker 2: 36:50

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 36:51

What is the true problem with Mormonism and why shouldn't somebody be a part of the Mormon church? When you have, you know, because within, looking at it, it's their viewpoints, you know? Oh, they're good people. You know what I mean. Like they both teach you know proper how to be decent people. You know just normal moral common sense lessons. They kind of go through the same stuff, right, moral common sense lessons. They kind of go through the same stuff. Right, they do teach out of the Bible, the King James Version, but they don't give you the full truth, obviously. So what is the problem with it?

Speaker 2: 37:34

One thing it's not the main issue, like at the core of it, the essence of it, but one thing is every couple of years the leadership of the LDS church has to change the fundamental doctrines of the church. Either things get outdated and they don't make sense anymore for what they claim, or they're just not acceptable anymore and so it's pushed off, kind of deal. So that's one thing is that basically the goalpost keeps on getting moved in their core doctrine, their theology. But the biggest thing is that they take a different stance on salvation. What it is to be saved is, you know, part of it is Christ, but part of it's you, and what you do in this life determines if you unlock your true self in the afterlife, in the afterlife.

Speaker 1: 38:39

So, essentially, if they don't see Jesus as God the Son and, like you said, he did not rise up, like we previously talked about after he was crucified, and if they say that he did not actually resurrect, then there's no point in what we do.

Speaker 2: 39:06

Well, I think that they do believe that Jesus resurrected from the grave. Okay, the issue is this is that Jesus says multiple times I and the Father are one? The LDS Church says that that's not the case. They make a distinction between Jesus and God the Father, and they also incorporate something that's not in the Bible at all the Holy Mother, god, doesn't have a wife, right. So the gospel? I don't even know what the Mormon gospel pitch would be. I've never gotten it before. I don't know why it happened. It never works out this way, but I never get to have a gospel conversation with Mormons. They just ride their bikes past me.

Speaker 1: 40:00

Because it's just like what's the end goal? You know what I mean. It's like for us. It's you know, we accept jesus, we are saved, we get to go to heaven and we try to convince others to accept jesus so they can also go to heaven and not hell. Yeah, there's a very rudimentary explanation of it, and just for me, with mormonism, what is that goal? Is it the same, but the way that they try to go about it is wrong. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2: 40:34

yeah, um, I will say that they. So. They believe that all other Christians, even though they put themselves in the world, they put themselves in the Christian camp or Christianity camp. They believe that all other denominations are apostasy. They believe that they've deviated from the original plan. Yeah, the teachings, and plan what God was establishing.

Speaker 2: 41:07

And that's what Joseph Smith is claiming is that what he received was the prophecy that would help get everybody back on track yeah, the idea is that Joseph Smith is given the revelation of what the church is supposed to look like by God and other angels, and so his mission is to reestablish the church, to operate the way that the first century church operated. First century church operated.

Speaker 1: 41:49

So, but that's the claim, but they're not necessarily operating in that way. So dum-dum-dum-dum-dum.

Speaker 2: 41:54

But here's the other thing is they have a priesthood. So, like you know, there's different levels of authority within the church. But you know, the New Testament teaches that Jesus is the great high priest and he is the one who sits and intercedes for us at the right hand of the Father, and I think that there's terminology in the New Testament about how all Christians are priests, because we minister to the Lord when we're practicing our faith. I know Catholics probably got super cringy right there when I just said that. Good, but yeah, basically, mormonism is saying that all other forms of Christianity are an apostasy and they're wrong, and the only true way to Christ is through the Mormon church, and so you have to become a Mormon to be able to receive the revelation, the proper revelation.

Speaker 1: 42:55

And I guess that for me kind of goes back to let's sprinkle enough truth to get people in and then get them going our way.

Speaker 2: 43:03

Yeah, and so and I would point that out is that the Mormons teach that it's through the Mormon church that you can find, you know, salvation or whatever, but the Bible teaches it's through Christ it has. The church is an afterthought, like the church is a after you are saved. Now you're a part of the church. It's not a. In order to be saved, you have to become a part of this church. It's the work of Christ in you, then regenerates you and now you are a part of the church.

Speaker 1: 43:38

So, yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:39

So with Scientology, it's very clear that the goal for them was money, right, yeah, and that was the influence there. Do you believe that that was the case with Joseph Smith? This is all speculation, by the way Do you believe that that was? You know, let me make something up. Do you believe that that was? You know, let me make something up, let me, you know, take something, take, um, let me plagiarize this book, right, make it into the book of mormon. Yeah, create a religion and, you know, get money. Or do you think that he really believed this? And what was the name of this angel, this Native American angel? I don't know. It started with an M. I don't remember Mowgli, okay, it was Mowgli, mowgli, mowgli, an Indian, it was an.

Speaker 1: 44:32

Indian, oh my gosh, but Mowgli came forth and inspired him. Do you think that that was demonic influence and he actually truly believed it? Or do you think that that was demonic influence and he actually truly believed it? Or do you think that there was. He knew what he was doing was wrong and fake, but he was trying to gain monetary value from that, or a third option I couldn't present.

Speaker 2: 44:58

I honestly I don't know where I would go with it. There would have to be a deep dive into the character of Joseph Smith. Like who is he before during? And after Mormonism right, right, and that will kind of. If you can look at somebody's character, you can get a pretty good idea of what their motives are. So either he is being deceived by a demonic presence or, yeah, like you're saying, he's just trying to make money.

Speaker 1: 45:28

Or that third option we can't think of, yeah, or maybe he was just crazy or maybe he's just crazy.

Speaker 2: 45:35

I think that the big issues that come out of Mormonism is when you get into the doctrines, so like they do kind of give a gospel pitch or message about the atonement that's found in Jesus Christ as a way to be saved. But when you get into it it's like, yeah, and you've got to do these good works and you've got to refrain from doing these things and you've got to practice these things within the. And you've got to refrain from doing these things and you've got to practice these things within the Mormon church in order for you to pass on and embody your true God-like ability in the afterlife. And this is the issue is that they believe you can become a God, whereas God teaches in Scripture there is no other God but, God, yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:25

And so that's where the Mormon, that's where the theology of the Mormon church or LES church, that's where it becomes heresy, is their idea of what you're working towards, which is your own Godhood, which is your own godhood, and God's saying no, you are my children. Like I am going to forgive you of sin by grace through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. You have to believe in faith that you're saved in order for you to be able to enter into eternity in my presence, because we're eternal beings. But he doesn't promise us godhood. He doesn't promise us our own universe to rule. He doesn't promise us any of that. He promises us everlasting life in perfection and unity with him, the only God.

Speaker 2: 47:15

So them adding things like a holy mother in heaven who's married to God, the Father, the idea that you can become a god in the afterlife and you can have your own world to govern over those things, they take away from God's divinity and they set you in equal playing with God, and that's just not what it is. It's not true. So you know? I think that's where the big issue is. Is that? That's why it's so difficult from the outside, looking in, it's like how are the Mormons any different than all the other Christians, because when they go out on their missionary journeys they'll talk about Jesus, they'll bring up the atonement in Christ. They won't talk about the divine three in heaven. They won't talk about the you become your own God in your afterlife, stuff. So you know. So there's certain things that it's like you have to get into the church and be a part of the church for a while to really find these things out. Just like Scientology, just like Scientology.

Speaker 1: 48:27

So is it hidden truth or is like in the sense of like Scientology, where you have to be there before you get that, or do you just need to be in the church, if that makes sense?

Speaker 2: 48:37

I think it's as you Progress, yeah, as you progress in the church It'll give you more and more information.

Speaker 1: 48:42

You get more insight.

Speaker 2: 48:43

Yep. So, and that brings us to a point I wanted to talk about with that one guy I was telling you about earlier, mm-hmm. So there's a guy I got to look up his name. Hold on, it was Bill Nye. Yeah, no, bill Bo Ba-do I.

Speaker 1: 49:02

Yeah, no, bill bow, but oh no, no bill, but oh no, no tree bill, but oh, no, no tree. That's a king of the hill character anyways, it's this guy.

Speaker 2: 49:15

He has a very interesting story. He is basically started out kind of in the catholic church and then moved on to other things bill, snow, snow villain, snow villain. So he started out in the catholic church and then he moved into Luciferianism and the secret agencies like Freemasonry, illuminati, and he became a practicing warlock within Satanism and he practiced white magic.

Speaker 2: 49:57

Not like in the way of casting Harry Potter spells just like in the way of casting harry potter spells, just so in in reality, right in our, in our reality, there, in true reality, there is magic and it's practiced. And there's two variants there's dark magic and there's light magic. And so there are people that practice the dark magic, which is, you know, like this, the really dark pouring out of blood, seances, cursing people, things. And then there's light magic, which I don't really know a whole lot about.

Speaker 1: 50:29

Is it kind of like flowers and potions and stuff, like it's not really like where dark magic is like kind of death related. This is more life related.

Speaker 2: 50:44

It's all witchcraft, but I would say and this is coming from a place of ignorance, so take it with a grain of salt but I would say that dark magic is just very complacent, like, yes, satan, satan's real Hail, satan. We believe in him and we are subservient to him.

Speaker 1: 51:04

Disclaimer the Saints that Serve podcast does not. No, we don't, we don't. I'm saying that. That's what that was a quote Johnny was making. Yeah, that's a quote. Just do not quote Johnny on that quote.

Speaker 2: 51:14

Yeah, yeah, but the and then light magic is more. It's more of like we practice magic, but we do it for the betterment of humanity, but it's still witchcraft. Yeah, it's still witchcraft. It's still trying to have your own power. Right, right.

Speaker 1: 51:37

And you're taking it from a spiritual realm and you're projecting it into the physical, which is usually, I mean, which is 100% coming from something demonic or God, and in this case it's not God.

Speaker 2: 51:45

When we're talking about magic and witchcraft, it's not coming from God. So yeah, you're right, but anyways, so he got into all that stuff. He even brought up in the podcast I was listening to. He brought up that he got into vampirism Just in his pursuit of power. He got into vampirism and he was doing that stuff. His pursuit of power, he got into vampirism and he was doing that stuff. But he basically got to a point where he had an out-of-body experience and had a vision where basically he was going to be killed by this spiritual entity because it had control over him. Was it Mowgli? No, but he was so afraid that he was trying to find a way to escape this spiritual presence. And he was referred to the Mormon church and basically they said, like it's not a well-known secret, or it's a secret and it's not well-known, but basically any practicers of white magic can find sanctuary in the Mormon church. It's a sanctuary for white magic users.

Speaker 2: 52:45

And so he went to the Mormon church and they're like yes you can go to this place and be there, but obviously you know you don't get to talk about the fact that you're a warlock, right, you know. So he joined the Mormon church and started, I guess, elevating himself within a local body. And then he got into a debate with a true Christian and got floored and as you do, as you do, and and God got a hold of his heart and he was forgiven of his sins and he was delivered from all the demonic that, all the demonic forces in his life. And now he's a minister and he's living for Christ and he's trying to shine the light on the darkness. And now he's a minister and he's living for Christ and he's trying to shine the light on the darkness. That is a thing to consider. There is at least one person testifying that the Mormon church has secrets, and one of those secrets is it is an agency that will protect witches and warlocks who practice white magic. So is that true? Is it not true?

Speaker 1: 53:42

You know what it's alleged, but just for the fun of it. It happened 100%, because that story isn't cool if it didn't happen.

Speaker 2: 53:51

Yeah, but it is a pretty crazy story. But yeah, so that's all I've got as far as our main topic. Do you have anything else to?

Speaker 1: 54:02

add yeah, mormonism, dum, dum, dum, dum dum. Don't do it, don't Don't hey.

Speaker 2: 54:13

Stop, because if you practice Mormonism and you die, but you won't get them next time, but if you practice Christianity, the true faith, where you follow Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

Speaker 1: 54:33

You'll be busting down all those walls with some Kool-Aid, that's right, baby. Kool-aid in heaven, where the whole thing is just sugar.

Speaker 2: 54:44

So do you want to get into our corner?

Speaker 1: 54:46

No, oh, because I have a surprise game. Oh yeah, sorry. So I have a little game Because I've been on a roll, like you know, boastful a little bit. Don't do that in real life, don't be boastful.

Speaker 2: 55:00

You've been on a roll.

Speaker 1: 55:02

Yeah, was it warm. Yeah, bless this Room temperature. Herk was on a roll.

Speaker 2: 55:08

Did you have butter on it? Yeah, it was delicious.

Speaker 1: 55:11

It was the butter biscuits from Texas Roadhouse Butter, my biscuit Butter, myuit with that cinnamon butter. It's so good, oh man. So we made a little bit of a joke a couple episodes ago. Yeah, we did, episode 42. 42, where we talked about you having a fake podcast. Yes, which comes up every couple episodes and I took inspiration by that. So everybody, welcome to Holistic Holiness.

Speaker 2: 55:46

Oh man.

Speaker 1: 55:48

Wait, wait, wait. Say it again. Now it's time for Hol, a little game we call holistic holiness. In this game I present my co-host, johnny that's me with a completely made up health issue. I want to. I want to clarify this with everybody, because we got in trouble with giving quote-unquote health advice in episode 11, and we got our whole episode taken down for it. We did.

Speaker 1: 56:22

Yeah, that episode 11, where I made a comment about a specific disease, uh-huh, and the algorithm didn't like that and it took down our episode. That's why our episode got taken down From YouTube. Yeah, oh. So we are clear. This is a game. A game, even though these prompts are completely silly. We are not medical physicians. We are not medical physicians. This advice should not be followed. This is fake, 100% fabricated. Thank you, I just want to get that out of the way. So I present my co-host with a completely made-up health issue and they, johnny, have to come up with a fake but righteously creative solution, all right. So, yeah, I'm going to present you with a, with a situation, okay, and you have to come up with the. Sorry, I present you with a problem. You have to come up with a health advice solution. Okay, how many rounds of this would you like to do? I have five.

Speaker 2: 57:21

Let's do three because we got to get to the corner.

Speaker 1: 57:24

Yep Sounds good, wrap it up, okay, okay. So your first issue you've developed a gluten intolerance to communion wafers.

Speaker 2: 57:32

So the reason that this happens is because in the day-to-day people are eating unholy bread, and it is compromising.

Speaker 1: 57:52

When the holy bread enters into their system, their system is overwhelmed Because most of their system is unholy, unholy, because mostly most of their system is unholy, unholy.

Speaker 2: 57:57

So it's the same as like when Aaron's sons offer up unholy fire before the Lord they're consumed in it. So that's the idea is that we're dealing with a holy God the body of Jesus Christ, the holy God and you're filling your body with unholy bread, and then the holy bread enters into your system and your system is just consumed by holy fire. So basically, cut out the unholy gluten in your life and rely on the holy bread of Christ, which is his body.

Speaker 1: 58:33

So what you're saying is just keep eating those wafers. Eventually it'll clear out your system.

Speaker 2: 58:38

I'm saying stop eating all the other bread.

Speaker 1: 58:40

Right, but keep eating the, unless it's sourdough, unless it's sourdough Because it's fermented.

Speaker 2: 58:48

All right, you just turn water into wine and through his body he is turning bread into sourdough bread.

Speaker 1: 58:57

All right, great advice, thank advice. Thank you, john, you're welcome. Number two okay. Every time someone says amen, your eyelids slam shut. That is the medical condition.

Speaker 2: 59:09

Every time you hear the word amen your eyelids, just they slam shut yeah, I would say that, uh, if your eyelids are uncontrollably slamming shut whenever you hear, so be it, because that's what I amen means, so be it right. You are lacking in faith. You don't believe that god will do it. You have to. Basically, your eyes are shutting down. You're like what? I close my eyes to this.

Speaker 2: 59:40

Yeah, I can't believe this is happening. So it is somewhat of a, you know, like a I guess you could say opposition to the Lord's will be done. But to overcome that, you know, more Jesus, more Jesus. Some cayenne pepper Get your eyes watery so they start blinking a lot. So if your eyes blink a lot if you, if you get the blinking going and it gets watery, they'll be lubricated and then they can't lock shut. So pray over your cayenne pepper and then sprinkle it out underneath your eyes or maybe even in your eyes a little bit, so they get real watery, and then sprinkle it out underneath your eyes or maybe even in your eyes a little bit so they get real watery. And then every time you hear amen, you may blink.

Speaker 1: 1:00:20

To start out with your eyes will slam shut, but they are loosened by the holy power of God's word and the stinging power of that cayenne pepper.

Speaker 2: 1:00:30

Of that anointed cayenne pepper, remember, it's got to be anointed, that's right. So yeah, go to our website. You can find some anointed cayenne pepper for $30.

Speaker 1: 1:00:41

And what website is that that's? I don't know Holisticholinessgov.

Speaker 2: 1:00:49

Dot gov. A little bit of a humor there for you.

Speaker 1: 1:00:52

There you go, and our last issue is you've got a praise break rash. So what happens is it flares up every time the worship team hits that bridge.

Speaker 2: 1:01:06

What's your fix?

Speaker 1: 1:01:11

Your rash, you have a rash that flares up every time. Bridge rash, as they call it, bridge rash, bridge rash, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:01:15

Worship bridge rash. Worship bridge rash. Yeah, I mean rash. Worship bridge rash. Yeah, I mean this one's pretty straightforward Holy anointing oil. So before you go into worship, make sure you're anointing wherever your rash is with holy anointing oil Again, and you can buy this at holisticholinessgov.

Speaker 2: 1:01:36

But you also want to anoint your head and your heart Anointing oil Again, and you can buy this at holisticholinessgov. But you also want to anoint your head and your heart and then wherever the rash is, and you know, whenever the bridge comes, the anointing oil will get you through it. Because that's really what it is is. Whenever there's a bridge in the song, it's just saying like hey, we love god, we're worshiping god, but we need to take a quick little break and have an interlude to get back to the main stuff. Uh, that connecting segue, that connecting segue to finish it out. And it's like well, but do we? Can we not just be, be in it the entire time?

Speaker 1: 1:02:15

So you're saying the solution is of course the oil at holisticholinessgov. Yeah, but also just sing songs without bridges.

Speaker 2: 1:02:24

Well, because think about it this way, always be in God. Think about it this way Jesus is the bridge, right, right. He's the one who makes the way for us to enter into the holiness of God, so for us to think that we can, through music, create a bridge where there's already a bridge.

Speaker 1: 1:02:43

You know, create Christ within the songs when Christ already exists.

Speaker 2: 1:02:45

Yeah, christ is already there. He's in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. He was there in the beginning with God. All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made. That was made. That is John. The Gospel of John, chapter 1, verses 1 through 3. So God's here. Jesus has been here always and he is the only way to the Father, not your instrumental interludes. So no engine oil, it'll get you through those bridges.

Speaker 1: 1:03:14

Thank you so much, and thank you everybody for joining us on this episode of Holistic Holiness. I've been Jairus, and our advice today was given by our co-host here, john, and this was a joke. This was a joke, everybody 100% a joke. Don't believe a word of it. Yeah, Except the part of that. You need Jesus.

Speaker 2: 1:03:34

Yeah, that's what we're getting at. You need Jesus, you don't need cayenne pepper.

Speaker 1: 1:03:38

I mean, if you want to go ahead. But you didn't hear that from us. But I was serious about the sourdough bread.

Speaker 2: 1:03:45

It is way better for you than regular bread. You should get it.

Speaker 1: 1:03:47

Anyways, yeah, that was great. I love how all of your advice was literally just the same thing.

Speaker 2: 1:03:53

Yeah, just just worded differently.

Speaker 1: 1:03:55

Jesus, yeah, you just need more.

Speaker 2: 1:03:56

Jesus, More Jesus. Well, I don't want to be sacrilegious, Of course I'd be like well you know, you need to do something other than Christ.

Speaker 1: 1:04:05

Maybe we'll come up with a segment again, but it'd be like holistic honesty or something like that, so that you can be a little bit less yeah, be a little bit more sacrilegious because religious.

Speaker 2: 1:04:15

Whoa, whoa, whoa. No, I'm not going to be more sacrilegious.

Speaker 1: 1:04:17

I'm talking about don't have one that's themed around Christianity. Okay, I was going to say, so that you can be more silly and not be sacrilegious in that moment.

Speaker 2: 1:04:26

Yeah, I think that's what we need. We need to look at, like what are some actual, like what's a Google is saying, like what nutritionists are saying, and then be like, well, this is, as a Christian, this is what you should do, and then do it that way. That would be funny.

Speaker 1: 1:04:43

All right, I'll workshop it. There we go, but anyways, now we can go into our final segment of this episode. So, tyler, this is your transition into the Corner. Step inside, if you dare. Shadows move, mysteries whisper and the unknown awaits. Welcome to the Corner.

Speaker 2: 1:05:26

We've talked about Bigfoot before right, that's right.

Speaker 1: 1:05:29

We have, like episode six or something like that, episode two, whoa.

Speaker 2: 1:05:34

And I think he's come up multiple times, I mean that's like the big bad, you know.

Speaker 1: 1:05:38

Yeah, that is the Thanos of this.

Speaker 2: 1:05:40

He's the main guy.

Speaker 1: 1:05:41

This is the Thanos of the podcast.

Speaker 2: 1:05:43

Bigfoot is the Thanos to the cryptic community. Now do you want to know what the Mormon perspective on Bigfoot is?

Speaker 1: 1:05:53

Please tell me Okay, even though we talked about it briefly. Still, this is great, so go ahead, all right. So the LDS church in certain streams or, if you're from the south, certain creeks, certain creeks, creeks.

Speaker 2: 1:06:13

They have a doctrine it's not an official doctrine of the church, but it is accepted within the church that Bigfoot, he's the biblical figure, cain, from the beginning of the Bible, cain and Abel, the two sons of Adam and Eve. Cain kills Abel out of jealousy, murders him. Cable, out of jealousy, murders him. God curses Cain to wander the earth. He will never be able to settle down or grow things in the earth and he will be marked with the curse of Cain. Yeah, so there's a Mormon named Paul Patton who encountered a large, dark, hairy creature, cain, in the woods, and he asked the creature who are you? And he said I'm one who's cursed to wander the earth. And so he brought that story to the church and people were like well, we don't know what to make of this, but David Patton is a reliable source within our church, so I guess we maybe believe that Cain is Bigfoot and Bigfoot is Cain.

Speaker 1: 1:07:30

That's so crazy, dude. Imagine not even being that guy, but being the person that that guy goes to. Right, he goes to and says I just saw Bigfoot. He was out in my backyard and he talked to me and he told me he was the son of Adam and the goat said amen, you got too Southern, you got too Southern, got a little too Southern for them goats Anyways, yeah, so they so.

Speaker 2: 1:08:06

And then the argument spread up. Well, what about when people have stumbled across families of Sasquatch?

Speaker 1: 1:08:12

Uh-huh.

Speaker 2: 1:08:13

Bigfoot and the rebuttal is well, they're the children of Cain and they're also immortal. Yeah, so it's very interesting, but that's an argument to be had about, like that's why no one's ever killed a Bigfoot or found their bodies, because it's Cain who has the mark of God that basically makes him immortal. No one can kill Cain, even though the scripture says anyone who harms Cain double will be done unto them, kind of a deal. It doesn't say that he can't be killed, it just says that what it is is they're harming Bigfoot, which was Cain.

Speaker 1: 1:08:54

Yeah, but the people who see Bigfoot are dying, yeah, because they're harming Cain. Yeah, but the people who see Bigfoot are dying, yeah, because they're harming.

Speaker 2: 1:08:58

Cain, maybe I just think that it goes into, if anything it contributes to, the idea of maybe Sasquatch are not just physical creatures. There might be a spiritual element to them. Now I'm not going to hold to anything else in the Mormon church, so why would I hold to their interpretation of Bigfoot? Because it makes so much sense? Yeah, but that is something I would like to point out is that this is an entire religion or cult that's been led astray from the truth and are preaching a false truth. And wouldn't it make more sense for the enemy to continue to bring forth false truths to further them away from?

Speaker 2: 1:09:49

the truth of the gospel. So that's what I would say is, whether or not he actually saw, encountered a Bigfoot, whether or not it actually spoke to him, whether or not this, that or the other, the reality is is the enemy will always deceive even those that he has in his clutches, that he is Lord over. He's still going to continue to deceive them and distract them. He's still going to continue to deceive them and distract them, because the last thing Satan wants is for us, as people, to find the light of Christ and repent and be forgiven of our sins and walk in the light of Christ.

Speaker 1: 1:10:26

So how many people can I drag to hell with me? Correct, or the lake of fire, or the lake of fire.

Speaker 2: 1:10:33

Yes, so yeah, that's Bigfoot for you. There you go. He is Cain Yep According. Yeah, that's Bigfoot for you. There you go, bigfoot. He is Cain Yep According to the LDS Church.

Speaker 1: 1:10:42

Bigfoot 2.0. He'll come back up again in another corner, I'm sure.

Speaker 2: 1:10:47

Most definitely. There's a lot of Bigfoot stories and some of them are pretty entertaining, but this one was themed because we were talking about Mormons. There you go had to talk about the curse of Cain. The curse of Cain, yeah. So that's it for us tonight, for episode 44. Of the Saints that Serve podcast. Of the Saints that Serve podcast. So all I have left to say is Christ is Lord.

Speaker 1: 1:11:12

I have one more thing to say. If you are playing Pokemon Go, oh no, I have one more thing to say. If you are playing Pokemon Go I love you're, just like.

Speaker 2: 1:11:24

I can't believe you're doing this right now, lds Church is a cult and it worships Satan.

Speaker 1: 1:11:32

So, demons, if you got them in your pocket, I've picked up playing Pokemon Go again, okay, so if anybody wants to friend me on that I am regal man. That's r-e-e-g-l-e-m-a-n on the pokemon go app send me a friend request. I need those gifts.

Speaker 2: 1:11:48

if you play pokemon go, you know what I mean and we'll post a picture of like a friend invite thing on the instagram. So if you guys want to find him there, you can.

Speaker 1: 1:11:57

And if we get Okay, how many comments or likes or whatever on this episode will it take for you to start playing Pokemon Go 2?

Speaker 2: 1:12:07

If we, can get on this episode 25 likes and 5 comments. I will play Pokemon Go.

Speaker 1: 1:12:20

There you go, folks. You've heard it here John will play Pokemon Go if we get five comments and 25 likes.

Speaker 2: 1:12:28

And that's for everything If it's on Instagram, if it's on Spotify, YouTube, all those things.

Speaker 1: 1:12:37

All right, so you heard it here. Folks, it doesn't have to be anything meaningful in the comments, just you got to comment. There you go.

Speaker 2: 1:12:45

All right. Well, yeah, Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now.

Speaker 1: 1:12:50

We are the saints that serve now we can go into our final segment of this episode. So let's go over to I forgot his name for a second. I blanked on tyler. Oh, like an idiot. Dang sorry I know what is wrong with me? All right, tyler, just I know. No, we got to start that over. That was.