Speaker 2: 0:02

Welcome to the Saints that Serve, podcast where, each week, your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith, culture and the unknown.

Speaker 1: 0:14

Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now. We are the Saints that Serve. Hey everybody, welcome to the Saints that Serve. Podcast.

Speaker 2: 0:45

Hey, welcome to Saints that Serve podcast.

Speaker 1: 0:48

Wow, way to bring down the energy there that I brought up. Oh yeah, sorry, sorry, hoop, my name's Johnny, I'm Jairus and this is episode 43. 43. 43?, 43?, 43?.

Speaker 2: 1:05

It's 43.

Speaker 1: 1:05

Yeah, hold on, let 43. It's 43.

Speaker 2: 1:07

Yeah, hold on, let me check, let's just pull it up 43 of the Saints to Serve podcast. We are kind of thrown for a loop, since we skipped a week.

Speaker 1: 1:21

Yeah, Sorry about that guys.

Speaker 2: 1:23

Yeah, no biggie. You know it happens to the best of us, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:27

But, we're here now in episode 43. That's right.

Speaker 2: 1:30

I guarantee you that what's his name is not doing it every single week.

Speaker 1: 1:37

Joe Rogan.

Speaker 2: 1:37

Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1: 1:41

We're going to have to talk about that at some point. I love those videos. Yeah, yeah, we're going to have to talk about that at some point. I love those videos. Yeah, we went. That's a good streak 42 weeks without missing a week.

Speaker 2: 1:56

Yeah, yeah, as far as posting yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to be doing that all night.

Speaker 1: 2:03

The whole episode, no one's going gonna have context for what that is if you want to know what we're talking about, go look up jay renshaw on youtube. No, he plays a. Yeah, he plays a character named chit, and I just showed it to johnny for the first time and we have not stopped going. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh-huh, yeah. Oh, my God, are you bluffing?

Speaker 2: 2:29

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:31

You're not bluffing, are you? Yeah, yeah, I'm all in.

Speaker 2: 2:37

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 2:40

It's for a good cause. No, stop what cause? Fun, fun. Anyways, do you have any announcements?

Speaker 2: 2:55

Yes, sir, we are not going to be doing a live stream worship night this month. That is the month of July, yep, so August, august, we will start it back up again. So first Friday of August, just tune in on a Friday night.

Speaker 1: 3:13

Hold on, I'll tell you exactly what night that is what the date is.

Speaker 2: 3:20

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:20

Friday night. Yeah, hold on.

Speaker 2: 3:22

Yeah, you're right, the date that is August 1st August, 1st Tune in around 630 Eastern Standard Time, est or Eastern Mountain Time, whichever you prefer, because we're pretty much the same thing. Why don't?

Speaker 1: 3:41

you pull up our current, all of our countries and just convert that time for each country. If you live in China, it is no American.

Speaker 2: 3:51

For those of you who don't have the internet you're still listening to this podcast.

Speaker 1: 3:57

Why don't you pause this episode, go to your internet browser on your phone and just type in my time zone, converted to Eastern Standard Time or EST 6.30. 6.30.

Speaker 2: 4:13

Yeah. So yeah, that's it. I mean, we're praying for you every Friday thing. Just reach out to us, either through the messaging link at the bottom of the show description, or you can email us at saintsthatserveatgmailcom. Saintsthatserveatgmailcom. Yeah, and we will pray for you, yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:36

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:38

That's all.

Speaker 1: 4:38

I've got for announcements Nice, so that means that we can, right this very second, get into our main topic, the first half of our main topic, the main topic.

Speaker 2: 4:50

Wait, the first, yes, the first half.

Speaker 1: 4:52

Because we are breaking this up into two different portions.

Speaker 2: 4:54

Correct the plan that we made when we planned this episode, the thing that we discussed earlier, before we did.

Speaker 1: 5:02

Yeah, you remember when I sat down I said, I said okay, what's the game plan for the episode? Yeah, and then we both agreed to it. Yeah, that got it there is.

Speaker 2: 5:13

I have a note. I can't remember now. I can't remember what it was, but I feel like I needed to clarify something from last episode. But now I can't think of what it was, so I'll just preemptively say I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 5:28

Just make it up right now.

Speaker 2: 5:29

A quick little. Let me apologize. I'm sorry that when we were talking about Mountain Dew, that people felt marginalized and belittled by my preferences to certain Mountain Dew flavors.

Speaker 1: 5:45

That sounds like something you would do, mountain Dew.

Speaker 2: 5:48

Yeah, also. Okay, this is what I do remember In that game that we played. All right, do the do or don't? Yeah, ethan definitely says Baja Blast and a couple of guests guesses later. Baja Blast is a flavor that is put up and he's like I don't know, I know, I know. I was like I was listening back to it. I was like wait a minute, you did know, yeah, because he said fake right? Yeah, he said it was fake and I was like don't do that.

Speaker 1: 6:23

Well, no, it's I really hope he was playing into the bit because you said because you turned over to like the nfl theme, you're like listen here, brother, I can tell you right now that's the realest of the real I I don't know.

Speaker 2: 6:35

It threw me for a loop when I was listening to it, because he he says it and then we get to that point. I'm like wait a minute. Earlier he said that that was a flavor that he knew. Uh, anyways board games board games. That's our main topic tonight board game.

Speaker 1: 6:50

So, tyler, this is your transition into the main topic.

Speaker 2: 6:52

We're talking about board games I've got, I've got a little okay. So I was looking at I know we're talking about like our favorites and then we're getting into our main one but I was looking at like top sellers, oh yeah, and according to this website, it's got to be Monopoly right? According to this website, Bitewing the top board games for 2024 are games that we no one has ever. Oh, I've seen that.

Speaker 1: 7:17

I've seen that when I was doing my research. Yeah, so I guess.

Speaker 2: 7:20

Number five is Agent Avenue. Number four is Ian Fats Genial 3D that sounds like a username, yeah, I know. Number three is Wilmot's Warehouse, number two is Marabunta and number one is Arx. So I don't know where they're getting their info, but if you go to Amazon, you can look at bestsellers. Number one is Candyland, which it always is, yeah. Number two yeah, number two is Trouble. Number three is Sorry. Number four is Monopoly and number five is Connect.

Speaker 1: 7:59

Go back in order again, starting with Candyland. Candyland Number two is Trouble, so they ate candy.

Speaker 2: 8:06

They got in trouble they apologized, they monopolized the candy and they connected the first four pieces of candy.

Speaker 1: 8:16

Nice.

Speaker 2: 8:16

Yep, so yeah, that was sorry, that was. Yeah, I was just like what. Here are two different websites, One is an opinion piece and one is just the data, and there's just no connection whatsoever, there's nothing.

Speaker 1: 8:33

It must be top five or whatever the top was of new board games in 2024.

Speaker 2: 8:40

Yeah, I don't know what the—let me go back to the top of the article, because it's like a top 20 deal and it just says top 20 games of 2024.

Speaker 1: 8:54

So yeah, It—I don't know. We should do a segment where we buy the number one game and play it on stream at some point. That would be fun.

Speaker 2: 9:04

Yeah, I would love to play Candy point.

Speaker 1: 9:06

That would be fun. Yeah, I would love to play Candyland. No of the new games, but Candyland sure, sure.

Speaker 2: 9:11

So let's just segue that into our favorite games Candyland. No, I'll just shoot mine out real quick. I'm a Catan guy, I love Catan.

Speaker 1: 9:26

It is a lot of fun, fun.

Speaker 2: 9:27

monopoly is always an enjoyable one hold on back up onto katan.

Speaker 1: 9:31

I enjoy playing katan, yes, but I feel like it's not a game that I can play back to back like, oh, we played around a katan, let's play it again, kind of thing like some other board games, like if you're playing cards or something like that you couldn't play katan like in a uh competition.

Speaker 2: 9:50

You couldn't play competitively. Is there competitive katan? Yeah, okay, they have regional tournaments and stuff.

Speaker 1: 9:56

We're going to regionals, yeah, exactly but yeah, it's just when I enjoy it. But I usually do poorly, so I don't feel the drive to play again.

Speaker 2: 10:06

Yeah, but that's because Catan falls into the realm of strategy game and you don't like strategy games. You don't, don't Just embrace it, it's okay. It depends on the game. No, I play so many different games from you, from board games to card games to video games.

Speaker 1: 10:25

There's always a strategy.

Speaker 2: 10:27

when you're playing games, there's always a strategy, but strategy games tend to not be your favorite. Okay, all right, I'll go with that. All right, and then I, like, I'm looking at the board games, all your owned games.

Speaker 1: 10:43

All the games I have that I can see I do like that one, the one I bought you.

Speaker 2: 10:46

uh, yeah, iron gate, escape from iron gate. That's fun. That is fun. That is a fun game. I like uh, I'm looking right there, shadows over camelot.

Speaker 1: 10:55

That's a fun game that's another one that I enjoy playing once.

Speaker 2: 11:00

You can only yeah. You can't play it more than once. Like what? The game takes a solid hour, if not longer. Yeah, and uh, yeah, when you're done, it's like okay, I need to take a, I need to take a break that's one of those where you play it and you're like I think I'm gonna go home yeah, but it is a collector now because they they stopped making it.

Speaker 2: 11:21

Yeah, so you cannot buy a new copy of shadows over camelot. If you own a copy, just hold on to it and try and keep it in good shape, and they just don't open it. And yeah then never play it, never have any fun, never enjoy it. Uh, let's see. Uh, what's the charity? Yeah, and then I'll do number my, I like poker weer is any kind of card game is replayable.

Speaker 1: 11:48

Yeah, because they're always really short rounds. Correct, yes, so, and it's always a little bit different, I think, cards. I don't know if you can really fully say that it's a board game, no, but it is, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 12:05

Yeah, I would throw a card. I would, because I mean, yeah, I would say cards is I would throw into the genre of tabletop game. Yeah, because it is a tabletop game. And I like the reason I said poker specifically because, even if it's like you know, you do a $1 buy-in or a $2 buy-in or whatever, like you're putting some skin in the game when you play poker and there's enough no gain or loss aspect to it, it's not, it's boring, because people are like, oh, I'm gonna put in 70 chips on this one hand.

Speaker 1: 12:38

You're just like, yeah, so yeah, I enjoy that I will say the one game that you get out and I'll play it. I enjoy it, but probably out of all the games that you pull out for us to play, I really don't fully enjoy it and don't use this as an excuse to never play it again. Okay, it's Puerto Rico, Puerto.

Speaker 2: 12:59

Rico, yeah, dude.

Speaker 1: 13:03

It's fun and I'll get to kind of the point of this. Uh well, not this, but a point later on. Yeah, but it's like it really depends. The game is fun depending on who you play it with. Yeah, it all comes down to the crowd. Yeah, because you could be playing the dumbest, most unfun game. But if everybody around you is playing it the right way, then it becomes enjoyable. Like Apples to Apples, for example. You could play Apples to Apples with one group of people and if none of them are clever, it's not funny and fun. You know what I mean? I agree. I think Puerto Rico is definitely one of those games where it's like it's not funny and fun.

Speaker 2: 13:44

You know what I mean. I agree, yeah. So I think Puerto Rico is definitely one of those games where it's like it's not a casual play, so it's really only fun when the people you're playing with are like they're in it. They're really in it, they're like, yeah, I'm going to. I don't care if I upset you because I buy the thing that you were trying to get or whatever. You know what I mean. Some people they get weird about cutting people off or swiping something from somebody, which is huge for what we're going to talk about in a minute.

Speaker 1: 14:18

Yeah, but you have to play games with people, at least in, because I like, let me get to my list, okay, and so as and I say that because I like playing games that are trickery, manipulative and just backstabbing type games, don't read into that too much people in the sense of, like you know, it's part of the strategy that you can betray somebody or you mess with somebody.

Speaker 1: 14:43

Sleight of hand, sleight of hand, deception, yeah, deception, those are fun to me. Yeah, but it's really hard to get the right crowd of people who can separate game and From reality. From reality. It's like I'm not like this in person all the time. I'm not a manipulative jerk, but I do tend to embrace that persona when playing a game that is encouraged to do so.

Speaker 2: 15:12

Embody the trickster, yeah it's fun because I yeah, dude. I'm sitting here and I'm realizing every how many times I say yeah while we're doing the podcast. Why do I keep?

Speaker 1: 15:23

doing this. Whenever you see a character doing it in a funny YouTube video, you become more self-aware of how much you do it.

Speaker 2: 15:31

Correct. See, I was going to try and say it there several times, but I was like stop, stop.

Speaker 1: 15:37

So my first game I'm going to put out here Uno.

Speaker 2: 15:41

Uno, I enjoy it. I enjoy Uno.

Speaker 1: 15:44

Uno's fun. It's replayable. So much, so much replayability.

Speaker 2: 15:47

Especially when we do the specialty house rule. Yeah, I think that adds so much to the game. The way we play is if whoever wins a round of Uno, they get to incorporate a rule into the game and that rule plays moving forward for the rest of the night.

Speaker 1: 16:07

And it could be something like anytime a one is placed on the table, you have to like jump up and down real quick, or that's actually a good one?

Speaker 2: 16:16

Yeah, that would be a good one. A common one that people like to do is whenever the color is green, everyone has to speak in an Irish accent.

Speaker 1: 16:26

Or you can't say the color blue, and if you do, you have to draw one card, and so whoever wins that round comes up with a rule, and the rules just stack until everybody gets tired of the game and leaves.

Speaker 2: 16:35

Yeah, it is fun, but it is a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: 16:40

My next one, and this is where I'm going to start getting off the wall. A bit-ish Off the wall, bit-ish Not yet, but we're getting there. Clue, clue. I love me some Clue. We watched that movie. That movie is so good.

Speaker 2: 16:55

I'm going to go home and kiss my wife, kiss my wife. That's not yeah, I didn't, I totally forgot but that one where he reveals that he is an actual federal agent. He's not flamboyant, everyone's guilty. Yeah, I totally forgot that aspect of it is that everyone murdered someone that night, except Mr Green.

Speaker 1: 17:21

Yeah, spoilers to a movie that came out in the 1970s I think Was 70s, 70s or 80s or 80s. But it's just like. It's so funny because it's just like when that movie came out there was, depending on where the movie was released, the ending to clue was different. Yeah, there was a different ending for every person oh, I didn't realize.

Speaker 2: 17:44

I did it that way yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:45

So, like yo, this person did it in every single ending, and so that's why on the home release they kind of just did like an example oh, it could have ended like this. Well, that was one one ending. Oh, it could end like this, but it really ended like this and it was like the true ending, sure, which I think was just really mr green's ending, and it just the most likable ending to the movie.

Speaker 2: 18:08

Sure 1985 is when it came out. I was close. Yeah, I mean you said 70s or 80s, yep.

Speaker 1: 18:16

But Clue is so much fun to play and you have to be smart and somewhat manipulative.

Speaker 2: 18:22

That is correct. You don't want people to know what you're figuring out so they can't copy you. I do it all the time. Someone will go like they'll do something and then they'll get their notepad and they'll write something down, and then I'll automatically pick my notepad up exaggerating I'll like over-exaggerate picking my stuff up and writing something down, going, oh, just to mess with the other people because they're all almost.

Speaker 1: 18:51

Yeah, it is a bit of a mental game if you really want to, because they are in their head having to solve this murder, correct? So if you want to do, well, you have to be thinking all the time. But if you get in somebody's head and throw off their train of thought, they'll lose, correct? I remember playing one time with some people. You were there and I somebody's um, I don't remember how I did it exactly, but it was something like they asked me you know the so and so did it with this, this and this, right, and I showed them a card already. Like I showed them a card I already had shown them before, okay, and the person sitting next to them saw them mark something down, anyways.

Speaker 1: 19:38

And they got so thrown off from that and they thought I was cheating because they thought the rule was I had to show them something new. So they had it in their mind that I showed them something when I didn't actually have that object. But you don't have to show somebody something new in Clue, I could show them the same thing, sure? So they thought I did and they thought I was cheating. Like, no, just look. No, I didn't have to show them something new if they asked for it.

Speaker 2: 20:05

Yeah, that is funny because, yeah, you think like, oh, I've got to show another one of my cards.

Speaker 1: 20:12

Yeah, because she already had asked for the wrench. So I just showed her the wrench again and she made a mistake, or that the other person had seen the wrench. I can't remember exactly the situation, but it was like they got in their own head in that moment and it really messed them up where I was, like I didn't have to do that yeah, you're peruny, all right, what's uh, what's your, what's your other one?

Speaker 1: 20:35

do you remember a little old game called muffin time? We didn't play it much with in our group but I have played it a lot. Okay, and it's again. It's that manipulative, chaotic card game where you're trying to trick while playing the game. It's kind of like uno, but you're playing your cards, but the cards do the wackiest things, like if you place this card face down on the table and somebody touches it, they have to draw five cards. And it's like a cactus, correct, and it's stuff like that. Or like trick, like if somebody says the word baby, uh, they have to draw 10 cards. You know what I mean? And it's just it's cards that do card, you know, have effects always, but you're also still trying to play cards to get rid of them. I need to break that out and play it again I was gonna say when was the last time we?

Speaker 1: 21:23

I can't remember. I think it was at your brother's house with us A long time. We all came over just to play that, and that was like seven years ago. Jeez, I need to break it back out because it's such a mind-manipulated game. It's based off of the ASDF movies on YouTube. Didn't they do trial by trolley too? No, that was that's cyanide and happiness, Cyanide and happiness. And uh, moving on to my next game trial by trolley. Trial by trolley. That game is so much fun.

Speaker 2: 21:53

It is funny, but you definitely have to have the right group of people to play. Because again it's a you got to get up and kind of be, you have to have a personality within playing the game and you got to be able to take a joke. Yeah, you know, because there are some cards in there that it's like okay, we're just some cards that you put in the trash, yeah, but other cards, that's just like.

Speaker 1: 22:17

Yeah, so it's, have you? You've heard of the? You've played the game, but just I have played the game, but just I have played the game, so, but so help me to explain it to the viewers. Have you ever heard of what the trolley dilemma is? Or the train dilemma?

Speaker 2: 22:31

I have.

Speaker 1: 22:32

Yes, so it's thank you, you're welcome. It is where you know you have two different train tracks and it's like um one elderly person or three young people and it's like you you control which way the train goes and which which group of things.

Speaker 2: 22:52

Well, the philosophical argument is there's a train coming right, there's no stopping, it is blowing through, but you, the only thing you can do is, yeah, pull a crank to make it go to the left or to the right. Do is yeah, pull a crank to make it go to the left or to the right, right or left. One cart has a serial killer who targets whatever, or the other track has. I think it's like three to five orphans or something. Just name your thing. So it's like do you, do you save three to five orphans up front now, or do you save countless ones later?

Speaker 1: 23:29

Right, because the murderous person kills orphans, Correct. So it's like it's that.

Speaker 2: 23:39

I don't think I'm explaining it correctly.

Speaker 1: 23:40

Yeah, your example, I'm looking at it.

Speaker 2: 23:42

I'm like wait a minute. If you just run over the murder guy, you save more orphans and more orphans.

Speaker 1: 23:46

No, it's, I'm not saying it right, it's a, it's a orphan killer, but he knows the cure for cancer. Or correct, three orphans, something like that, you know, I mean it's stuff like that. So you have to, essentially it's, choose the lesser of two evils. Yeah, and the point of the card game is to build out, as a team, a side that is unkillable. So you want the other team to choose the, the trolley conductor to choose which side is the lesser of two evils, correct? So that the whole point of the game is to manipulate the situation into winning.

Speaker 2: 24:27

Yeah, so the game is one there's two teams and there's a conductor, so each team has a rail or a cart line and they're trying to make theirs the track that is not driven on, which survives, which anyone on it survives.

Speaker 2: 24:48

So there's like good cards and then bad cards, so it's like so you can play good cards on your trolley line and you can play bad cards on your opponent's trolley line and then you argue about you argue with to try and convince the conductor to not go on your track right but to go on the opponent's track right, it's a lot of fun, but the cards can be a little, I guess, inappropriate.

Speaker 2: 25:16

Yeah, but but only in the sense of conversating which one is killed yeah, because I mean you could make it like there's a way to make it like, hey, this, this, you don't want to go down this track because there's an orphan boy on the track. And then an opponent plays a card and says, yeah, but that orphan's actually Satan, right? And you're like, well, I guess I'm going down this card now. And he's like, no, because he's got the cure to cancer. Yeah, so no, because he's got the cure to cancer. Yeah, so yeah, it is funny.

Speaker 1: 25:47

And there are some that are like, oh it really depends on your humor and your group of people understanding. It's just a game Correct On what you can play.

Speaker 2: 25:56

But it is a fun game it is.

Speaker 1: 25:59

It's a lot of fun. So let me get into a couple that I don't fully classify as card games, but they have such a card game community feel to it. Sure, so, like you know, people around the table playing a board game and whatnot, but it's really not a board game.

Speaker 2: 26:22

So one of those is do you remember a little game called Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes? I've heard of it, but I don't think I. Oh, it's the bomb defusal game. Yes, yes, yes, I remember it. I remember. Oh, that game is so much fun. It is fun because it is an actual like. The way it's set up is there's a bomb and it's in one spot and the bomb is all like a on the computer a game software.

Speaker 1: 26:43

yeah, it's a game spot and the bomb is on the computer a game software.

Speaker 2: 26:46

Yeah, it's a game software so you can move around and stuff. But then there's another group of people that have the instructions printed out on paper and that's in person.

Speaker 1: 26:54

You actually have physical pieces of paper with the instructions on how to defuse the bomb, correct, and so you are having to communicate. So the one player is looking at the bomb and that's the only person who should be looking at the bomb, and the people with the manual should not see what the person is seeing, and they have to communicate and describe back and forth. So it's like, uh, I see five red wires. It's like, okay, five red wires means cut the third one. You know, it's that kind of thing. So you're having to communicate back and forth and it's some of the most fun just because you had you.

Speaker 2: 27:26

It really reinforces teamwork, yes, and communication I always wanted for one of when we were running youth group, for one of the lock-ins.

Speaker 2: 27:35

I wanted to do a nerf battle with that incorporated into yeah, so defending your location, so the bad guys will be trying to attack the good guy's base and kind of just randomly walking around. The good guys have to find the bomb. The moment that they find it, the timer starts Right and the good guy base is where the instructions are and the other guys are where the bomb is and they've got walkie-talkies and they've got to defuse the bomb before it explodes or before the good guy base gets taken out by.

Speaker 1: 28:11

It just so we came up with the craziest stuff for youth group, yeah, for youth nights.

Speaker 2: 28:15

It was so much fun doing that. If there was one thing we were good at, it was preaching the gospel and coming up with some games, the.

Speaker 1: 28:27

I have a story about that. I remember we did have that at one lock-in one year and so everybody could see like we had it set up so the people's backs were to the projector who had the manual so everybody could see the module, yeah, so everybody was kind of watching. But then you just had the one person on the bomb communicating it and they were on one of the toughest bombs, because each bomb has different modules and different things. So you have to be going through the booklet and you're like, okay, where's the, where's that at? Okay, let me start going in.

Speaker 1: 28:54

And some of that stuff is crazy difficult to start describing what you're looking at. You know what I mean. It's like morse code and all this other stuff. And there was one that was like you had to dial into a radio station and they would say like a code word and all this stuff, and they had like five seconds left. This is the last module and it's like they're obviously not going to win, correct, and so they were working so hard. And it's just like, again, I'm looking at they just started.

Speaker 1: 29:20

They had, like you know, 15 seconds left and it was counting down, they were trying to find the pages. Five seconds left and the guy just panics who was doing the bomb, he's like, uh, and he pressed some buttons, moved the dial, pressed a and it defused the bomb. Just luck, I was standing there and I lost it laughing, because of the pure luck in that moment. I have never seen it happen and I just could not believe that they had that kind of luck on one of the hardest bombs. Yeah, it just randomly pressed some buttons and it diffused the bomb. It's insane. I think they had one second left.

Speaker 2: 29:56

That's crazy oh my god, it was yeah, but that that is yeah. That game is a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: 30:02

Well, I'll probably have to break it out again. Yeah, All these games I'm going to have to find trial by trial I'm going to find we're sitting here talking about it and I'm like it's taking me back to the lock-in days.

Speaker 2: 30:12

I'm like, dude, why don't we do a lock-in again and we come up with some of these banger activities and games and stuff?

Speaker 1: 30:26

We just go out for a night rent like a community center place and just have everybody come out and play games. Yeah, I'm all about it.

Speaker 2: 30:30

All right, saints that sleep over no, but that would be fun to a saints that serve lock-in party yeah, I'd be all about that.

Speaker 1: 30:41

I would be 100 that.

Speaker 2: 30:43

It'd have to be for adults, though, because I don't want to have to figure out release forms.

Speaker 1: 30:48

I know. Right, that was some of the worst for the youth was the— Background checks, release forms, all the stuff that's necessary. But just like you know who I am, you know what I mean. Trust me, if I did commit some crime from the last time I submitted a background check, three weeks ago Three weeks ago you would have known. You know what I mean. Correct, so Correct. So I got one last one here.

Speaker 1: 31:16

It's an honorable mention, but it's not a board game, okay, but it feels like one every time you play it, and that is the jack box party pack. I was gonna ask if that was one of them. Yeah, it's, it's a video game. It is fun, but the way that you sit around and the way that you play those games, it's very reminiscent of just sitting around the table and spending time with your family playing a game at the table, correct? So Jackbox Party Pack is just a bunch of random different little mini games, mm-hmm, and they have like 40 or 50 now like different games.

Speaker 1: 31:54

Yeah, but they have 10 packs. They'll have an 11th. They come out with one every year. Wow, I think they come out with new material. They're always really great but Interesting, and they come up with new material. They're always really great but interesting. I never have like the opportunity to have all of them come around enough people, except for thanksgiving and christmas for my side of the family and waffle fest, so it's like for everybody to get together to play it, and not all we don't always play. It is around holidays. Yeah, so like, and what's funny too is is every year they have a new pack come out and my people, on my like, on my family, always, always just want to play drawful drawful they all, but they don't want to call it drawful.

Speaker 1: 32:39

They always say I want to play the drawing game, I want to play that drawing game. So we always play Drawful when there's a billion other choices of fun things. And I always try to be like let's try this new one, let's try this new one. And it's always difficult to get people convinced of it, because Jackbox also gets kind of complicated. Sure, because there's multiple aspects of things going around.

Speaker 1: 33:01

So like, for example, with Drawful, it's like you draw a picture, like you're given a prompt and you're supposed to draw this picture. Then you're then, one at a time, shown each person's picture. No, you're showing somebody else's picture. Yeah, each one at a time. Somebody else's picture. Everybody sees one picture. You then have to come up with a guess of what that picture was. No, come up with a guess of what that picture was, no. So then the third aspect of is, at that point, while, while trying to trick other people into the same, thinking that that is the correct answer, you then have to find the correct answer.

Speaker 1: 33:36

So it's three tiers of how that game works, and then you know you get points based off how well you do. Yeah, so it's a lot of fun. But if that didn't make sense the way I described it, it's that confusing when you first play it. But when you play it and go through it, it like after one round, immediately clicked. You're like, oh, this is really simple. Yeah, every single. It's so difficult to get everybody together because every Jackbox game, pack game, it's like that when it's. They explain it and you're like what am I doing?

Speaker 2: 34:10

Yeah, it's confusing at the get-go, but as you play it, it works itself out and you understand what's going on.

Speaker 1: 34:16

Yeah, that's always like we're just going to play around, but there's some Jackbox games that are just like we've never played because like it's kind of inappropriate Sure, games, that is just like we've never played because like it's kind of inappropriate, sure. So, like what is it? It's um, the monster meets monster. Yeah, the monster seeking monster seeking monster. It's a lot of fun to play, but you're trying to hit on family members through this texting yeah, but it's like that's again you got to take your mind out of.

Speaker 1: 34:43

You're just playing. You got to. You know your mind is I'm just playing this game. Otherwise, it's weird when you might be hitting on your. You know your sister or whatever.

Speaker 2: 34:51

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 34:52

It is weird.

Speaker 2: 34:54

I'm trying to think of what we play whenever we were playing it. What was that?

Speaker 1: 34:58

Drawful. We played man, there's so many. Yeah, Trivia Murder Party. I, man, there's so many. Yeah, trivia murder party. I take your word for it. I can't remember that one, but it was the one that was staged like a horror movie, but it was like just a trivia game, maybe. Okay, there's so many. There's one that's like called gaspionage, where you have to. It's just a over complicated looking version of the brands one, the marketing one we're like oh, that was the brand.

Speaker 1: 35:25

That's right, you have to come up with an item and then pitch your like, uh, what was that? Shoot, I can't remember what that was called, but yeah, you had to come up, you draw again. It's a lot of it's drawing yep but you draw a picture and then you have to pitch your invention idea yeah, and there was something about it like being on a t-shirt or something that's different.

Speaker 1: 35:44

That's called tko oh, where you have to draw a um t-shirt, a t-shirt, t-shirt. And what was funny about that was that if you, you could, at the end of the game, buy your t-shirt and they'd send it to you. Yeah, I still have your, the one that you made. And you end up buying like four shirts and just gave them to everybody. It was a picture of a baby and it said is it love or poop?

Speaker 2: 36:06

Yeah, I only bought one. They sent me like three. Oh, that's right, it was weird. But yeah, is it love or poop? That's funny.

Speaker 1: 36:18

All right, cool. Yeah, let's move on, because I could keep talking about all these board games, these jackpots. It's so much fun. We're going to have to have like a stream night or something to play those games. Yeah, get a big crowd.

Speaker 2: 36:31

Make it happen. I'm all about it. All right, you want to get?

Speaker 1: 36:35

into the. Do you have any honorable mentions before we get into the main topic? Or the second part of the main topic.

Speaker 2: 36:43

I did not prepare for honorable mentions. I should have, but I did not. I mean a good one. That's an easy game to play that there's a little bit of strategy and a little bit of aggression, but it's pretty fun. Is Ticket to Ride? That's an honorable mention. It's a fun game to play, but I mean it's limited. Only five people can play.

Speaker 1: 37:04

Yeah, I tried playing like the virtual version of ticket to ride. Yeah, and I play like like maybe five minutes of it and I'm like I can't do this I turned it off.

Speaker 2: 37:17

I um, that's the hardest thing about board games is the limitation of how many people can play. Yeah, you know, like when it comes to board games, a lot of them, it's like four to five people.

Speaker 1: 37:33

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:34

That's it. And then there are some that will go up to like eight, six or eight.

Speaker 1: 37:38

Well, I've got here. So it's like I talked about Jackbox Party Pack and it's like it says two to eight plus, because there's one game that has you can have up to 100 players.

Speaker 2: 37:48

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:49

Uno says two to 10. Keep talking, nobody explodes. It's two plus, but really it's multiple people working at the paperwork side of things. Yeah, yeah, so it's like board games it's hard to get that many, or it's hard to have a lot of people there playing one board game.

Speaker 2: 38:12

Yep, yeah, so when you got a big crowd, it's one of those things where it's just you just gotta divvy them up and have multiple games going at the same time, unfortunately. But uh, yeah, all right, I uh, I'm ready for our main event let's get ready to rumble.

Speaker 1: 38:29

yeah, I'm gonna jacked up on mountain dew. That was last week, that was last week and maybe this week. Oh, we're talking about Munchkin, munchkin, it's a.

Speaker 2: 38:41

For those who don't know, it's a game.

Speaker 1: 38:42

Yeah, we're still talking about board games people. It's a board game. Munchkin is so much fun. It comes together with all these other games that I talked about into one package.

Speaker 2: 38:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 38:56

So I talked about Uno into one package. Yeah, so I talked about Uno. It's a card game the manipulativeness, the backstabbing, the fun arguing of things and the improv of Munchkin. You know what I mean? That's just.

Speaker 2: 39:08

It's Munchkin dude, yeah. So the game is played where you're all going it's kind of inspiration slash making fun of Dungeons, dragons, mm-hmm going. It's. It's kind of inspiration slash making fun of dungeons and dragons, and you're all in a dungeon and there's 10 levels. You're all competing to get to level 10 and there's everything is based on cards, so you draw cards and you can build out your character and so you have, there's monster cards and armor cards and weapon cards and curses, potions and potions and items.

Speaker 1: 39:41

It's all cards.

Speaker 2: 39:42

It's all cards, so you can use it to build out your character. You can use it to curse other characters. You can fight monsters. You can put other monsters into someone else's fight to make them lose.

Speaker 1: 39:54

You can negotiate and become a team helping another person fight, and then you can negotiate what you win from that fight, and it's so much fun.

Speaker 2: 40:06

So yeah, the main thing in the game is the dialogue between players.

Speaker 1: 40:11

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:12

Because that's what makes the game go around. And then there's just a bunch of different cards that add to the game go around. And then there's just a bunch of different cards that add to the game, be it items or changes of game mode or what have you.

Speaker 1: 40:26

And what's great, too, is there's a vagueness on the cards that allows for negotiating and communication and debating on what that means in the situation how to interpret the card for it to be played.

Speaker 2: 40:40

Yeah, there are some that it's like hard lines, it's very clear, like a wandering monster card.

Speaker 1: 40:47

This is what the card does. Nothing else can do this with this card. Yeah, but then there's like okay. So, for an example, there is a card called brick wall. Yes, and that card is so argued, argued about every time we play because of the situation that it arises in to use that card. Yes, it says on the card this card stops the fight. And you can interpret it what this fight, another fight, your fight. Can I play this card on another fight? You know?

Speaker 1: 41:19

I mean it's yeah and so it's caused so many arguments and it's so funny because, depending on when we play and who we play with it, it's different.

Speaker 2: 41:29

Yeah, and we, and a lot of times I allow it to be different, I'll allow the interpretation to be different every single time we play yeah, because I think that's like some of the arguments are like the brick walls dropped and this fight is over, and it's like is it the whole fight or?

Speaker 1: 41:44

the original monster because you can wait.

Speaker 2: 41:47

Lay down another monster if you have a wandering monster card and so it's like people will argue and debate it until you know. It's just like let's just move on, right then. Whatever the last interpretation was is what we do.

Speaker 1: 41:59

There is a set rule in the rule book that says whoever owns the game has final say in an argument, correct? You used to own the game and then you got rid of it. I, for that reason, bought the game so I could have. I don't say every time we ever play it yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:21

So and that that is one thing that I had to. I had the game and I had a bunch of add-ons for it and everything, and then I got super convicted about like how much it was dictating my emotions. Yeah, to the point where I couldn't walk away from the table and leave the game at the table.

Speaker 1: 42:44

And you know, I was struggling like with because there is magic stuff in it, but a lot of it, and this isn't defending it, it's a lot of parody.

Speaker 2: 42:55

It's a lot of parody and it's very light-hearted stuff. But I was going through this phase of my life like really hashing out, okay, when it comes to magic, like where do I stand, like what do I do, how do I operate? And so while I was figuring all that out, I kind of just moved all my magic stuff or stuff that had anything if it had the word magic in it. I was just like, all right, I'm just going to get rid of it and you know. So I've worked through all that and I'm fine with playing Munchkin. Yeah, you know I've worked through all that stuff, but yeah, I had it and we mean we played what like every friday we got together and played every friday and I talked about how I don't like playing games back to back.

Speaker 1: 43:43

Long games, munchkin can last anywhere from 60 minutes to two hours, sometimes correct, and we would play it back to back correct.

Speaker 2: 43:51

I mean, it got to the point to where it didn't matter what we were doing on friday. We brought munchkin with us so that, wherever we were at, we could break it out and play. Yeah, oh, I got in my car, let's go weekend, yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:04

So uh, I think we freaked some people out, like just they would sit and listen to us play the game because it would be me, you, your wife, yep and ezra, and then a bunch of new people, because that was our kind of four people who are always playing it, and we always got so into it. Yeah, I think daryl played a lot too with us yeah, daryl, yeah daryl would play with us brendan, brendan loved it yeah, and uh, who else?

Speaker 1: 44:35

yeah, there's a handful of people, but yeah yeah, but it was always me, you, your wife, usually Ezra, and then anybody else who happened to be around Correct, and it was always so much, it was so funny.

Speaker 2: 44:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:50

Because anybody around us never seeing us play before we were all into it Deeply. We would be. It would be shouting magic, yeah, and people were like you guys are friends your friend. No, we would be. I like you said you probably didn't you let it affect you outside the game. Yeah, but I'm just sitting there in the same way I play all these other games and this is my me personally. Yeah, I would come and I would purposely annoy the heck out of you and everybody else, but, but only in Munchkin, correct? I would be such a jerk in Munchkin. Yeah, and it was so much fun. It was a way to really, if you have a stressful week, friday night you are allowed to yell at each other. Yeah, it probably wasn't the most healthy way to get out your grievances of the week, especially on people who didn't deserve it. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 45:41

But it was fun. Yeah, it was fun. And still I mean, we don't nearly play it nearly as much as we used to, but we still do.

Speaker 1: 45:50

Yeah, occasionally it'll be broken out.

Speaker 2: 45:53

Yeah, we used to play. We used to have board game nights a lot and we would all get together and play a game. Most of the times it'd end up being munchkin, yeah, but we would do other stuff too, yeah. So, yeah, board games happened a lot and then the crowds kind of changed, like the social group kind of changed.

Speaker 1: 46:20

A lot of people had something happen or moved away or whatever, we also got older and then realized we shouldn't be shouting at each other.

Speaker 2: 46:30

Well, yeah, but I'm just saying as far as game nights in general, where it was like that was the social thing that we would do. We'd all get together and we would play board games. And now it's kind of one of those things where you got to work really hard to get enough people. Yeah, have a game night, and people are really comfortable with just saying no, now, yeah, you know, because it's just their. Their. Their social outlet is not in that getting together with this group of people to play board games, that's just their social outlet is not in that getting together with this group of people to play board games, that's not their social outlet anymore.

Speaker 2: 47:03

Yeah, and so you know, for me, I think that that was something I had to cope with and struggle with a little bit, because it was like I love getting together with people and playing games, because that's where you get to have, that's where you get to joke with each other and just decompress and socialize with people that you love and have a good time. And then, you know, people started like bowing out, being like no, I'm not gonna play tonight or no, I can't really do it this time, and and then that was the excuse every single time and it got to the point where I was like, okay, so you don't want to be my friend anymore. You know that was the excuse every single time and it got to the point where I was like, okay, so you don't want to be my friend anymore. You know that was the-.

Speaker 1: 47:39

No, I just don't want to play board games with you because you yell at me Exactly. No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2: 47:44

No, but you know it is a little bit of that, like some people move on from that, yeah, or feel or grow out or get bored of doing that all the time or whatever and if that's you know where you've put your stock in like this is my social life, and then all your friends don't want to do it anymore.

Speaker 1: 48:01

You're like, oh dang, I don't have any friends it's funny too because, uh, I, that's part of that's my personality. This game sums up my. I have a very I'm calm on the on the mic on the podcast and I've calmed down as I've grown older. I've always been mischievous and I've been loud playing board games and Munchkins brought all of those traits out of me when playing. Yes, Because all that Do you remember playing? I think it was Catan, and for me, when I was losing a game when I was younger, I thought it'd be funny to I wouldn't cheat, but I would do things like mix cards up and stuff like that. Just I I shouldn't have, but in my mind I was. I wasn't cheating cause I was already going to lose. In my mind I was throwing chaos into the game. Yep, and I did that to your wife playing Catan, Mm, Mm, and I wasn't allowed back to your house for like a month after that because she lost because of it, you weren't allowed to come back to the next Catan game.

Speaker 2: 49:02

That's what it was. That's what it was. That was like 10 years ago. That was a long time ago. But yeah, she got real mad, but it's because there was a wager on the line. I forgot about that. That's what it was. Her and I had a personal bet between each other.

Speaker 1: 49:18

And it was funny. I didn't see what card I took, but it ended up being a major card that caused her to lose the game, correct. So yeah, and for that, johnny's wife, I apologize. Ten years later, finally getting your apologize.

Speaker 2: 49:34

There you go Love it, yeah but, dude, 10 years later finally getting your apologize, there you go, love it, yeah, but dude, that was, yeah. Board games, especially when we were doing Munchkin all the time, it was a big deal because that was the social outlet, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 49:48

And now, Because we would go to in-person worship night, yep, and then after that everybody would hang out after the worship night and play board games or play games or watch a movie or whatever. And it turned into for a good two months straight of munchkin every night and somebody new would come to that worship night and they wouldn't come back because we'd be yelling at each other.

Speaker 2: 50:13

yeah, or if we didn't play that night, we would play Sunday after youth band practice. Or there'd be like a random Saturday where we had to get together for a meeting, for something, and we'd play.

Speaker 1: 50:28

Or remember for that stint of like two times when we tried playing it at work, when me and you and everybody from the worship night all worked at the same place, yeah, and we tried to bust it out and play and that didn't last long because we got in trouble because of the way we played in the break room.

Speaker 2: 50:46

Yeah, I've totally forgot about that.

Speaker 1: 50:48

Oh man, I think we were like we played it twice and an hour is not long enough first off to play this Correct and second off it happened twice and we were asked not to play again. Yeah, kind of stupid.

Speaker 2: 51:03

But you know, whatever it was, but it was like we, we were playing that and then it was like, okay, you can't play anymore. So then everyone just started bringing their switch in yeah, and playing, playing that on break and it was like okay, I guess we can hang out and do this, but the camaraderie just you know I will say something.

Speaker 1: 51:22

So we played the digital version of this. We both own it on Steam, munchkin on On the phone. It's an app. I think it's cross-play. I have it on Steam, you have it on the phone. No-transcript. Oh, okay, I think I bought it on the phone too. Anyways, because it limits what you can do with it, because it takes away that it's still there, but so limited the negotiations between one another and how you play.

Speaker 2: 51:51

You don't. That's the thing is, you don't really get to negotiate.

Speaker 1: 51:54

No, you can technically do it, but at the end of the day, it's like you're limited to like, where we can negotiate whatever Like. I'll give you this curse card, this monster card, this card. I'll give you 20 bucks. I'll give you this cheeseburger. It was limited to any items that had a value on it, so anything that had a gold value, yeah, you couldn't trade anything and you didn't get to negotiate the interpretation. Right, there was one set rule on the card and that was good to know that.

Speaker 2: 52:26

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:27

So when you play, you could use that to your advantage in the argument.

Speaker 2: 52:31

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:32

But it's so much more fun when there's multiple ways to say this is what this card means. Yeah, and let's get back into it. I think we started on the rules and how the game works, but we got so sidetracked on our great fun memories of it. But, like you said, the goal is to get through the dungeon and get to the level 10. The dungeon and get to the level 10 to get to a level you have to defeat a monster and it will give you. It'll say on the card how many levels you go up for beating the monster and how many treasure you get for that monster. Yeah, treasures build up your strength, items, swords, armor, uh, buff, item buffs, potions and levels and levels and levels. Your level is whatever room. Your base level is whatever room you're in. So if you're in room one, you're level one Plus your stats of your cards and you just will.

Speaker 1: 53:28

Essentially, it's called kicking down the door. Kicking down the door and you flip down over a card and if it's a monster, you fight it. It has a level. You have a level over a car and if it's a monster, you fight it. It has a, it has a level, you have a level and if you beat it, you beat it, you go up the level. It's fairly basic, but you're building out your cards, you have your items. It's like playing a parody of dungeons and dragons, correct. But the fun comes in where you have the curse cards that you, as other players, try to mess up other people. Uh, you can help, it's so interpretable. But once you get to level 10, you win.

Speaker 2: 54:04

Dude.

Speaker 1: 54:05

And it takes so much time.

Speaker 2: 54:08

Munchkin Disney card game.

Speaker 1: 54:10

Oh, and that's another great. Okay, let me get into that. Okay, hold on. So there, there's your baseline Munchkin game card game, correct? There are so many expansions on munchkin that changes the rules, like where it's like you now have mounts, or it adds a new race, or in another and it adds a class, because you have races like orcs, wizards and sorry, uh, orcs, dwarfs, elves, and then classes like archers and wizards and stuff like that. You can have a combination and so it. These expansions add so much to it and the expansions are interchangeable with one another. So, like you can have like, uh, there's the base munchkins, and then super munchkins, which is superhero themed cards, yep, which takes it completely out of the fantasy theme. You know what I mean. That is under. Then there's like a star wars esque theme, it's like munchkin star. There's scoobyoo, munchkin, zombies, munchkin Cthulhu.

Speaker 2: 55:19

Mm-hmm Munchkin Warhammer 40,000. Yes.

Speaker 1: 55:24

Munchkin Apocalypse and all these cards are interchangeable with how you're playing the game and it's really cool how it does that. That means there are tens of thousands of cards that does stuff in Munchkin Because there's so many different expansions and you know they have your. So you have your baseline game and then you have your mainline fantasy card that have expansions. It's not really enough to play the game but you could technically play with any Munchkin set you could buy. You can play by itself.

Speaker 2: 55:59

Yeah, you can mix them in together yeah.

Speaker 1: 56:01

But also, if say you buy expansion 10, it only comes with like 40 new cards. It's not really enough to play. But in theory you could buy all the expansions and not the base game, sure, and have your own amount of munchkin, sure yeah, the uh.

Speaker 2: 56:17

They came out with a big box this year. It's called munchkin big box and it has 650 cards.

Speaker 1: 56:23

Oh, is it enough to hold 650 cards?

Speaker 2: 56:25

no, no, no the box comes with 650 cards I wonder if that's just all the expansions together.

Speaker 1: 56:31

I think it is. That's what it looks like. That's what I bought. I bought all the at the time. I bought all the, the baseline and all the expansions that were out at that time, which I think was 10, and it doesn't even scratch the surface of how many cards munchkin has total.

Speaker 2: 56:47

Yeah, it really yeah it, it, it doesn't, and there's not really a good way to see. It looks like it has the portals, the base cards.

Speaker 1: 57:00

Oh, portals was fun because that added literally portals. That added effects to the game. It gets so complicated. I a lot of times say let's not play with portals.

Speaker 2: 57:10

Yeah, it does, because it kind of messes with the overall. You get portaled into another dimension, so it's like, and the way the game plays is now different.

Speaker 1: 57:19

It's like now all zombies are triple powered. Because you were transported to a world in the middle of apocalypse, you know.

Speaker 2: 57:28

Yeah, dude, I'm just scrolling through their products on their website and there's there's a lot, there's a lot. There's Munchkin's Batman, nice.

Speaker 1: 57:39

That's funny. I need to get all the munchkin cards that have the fantasy back of it that they all like. Where our baseline? Because not all of them have the same back of the card. Yeah, so I want to get all of the I think that's the fantasy themed back. I guess in theory, you could sit there and put them all in card sleeves and they all have the same back. You know, munchkin, harry Potter, really.

Speaker 2: 58:01

Yep, and SpongeBob, I'll get that SpongeBob one Munchkin, spongebob, squarepants, that's funny. Munchkin Russia They've got a Munchkin Russia, russia-themed Munchkin. What the.

Speaker 1: 58:17

This item is a sickle.

Speaker 2: 58:19

Yeah, yeah, for real, there's a pirate brand version. Oh, they did one for Critical Role. Hmm, interesting, I didn't know that. Well, now you do, and now you know.

Speaker 1: 58:34

So I have. Speaking of munchkins and the cards, I have a little game. Okay, it's called Munchkin or Malarkey.

Speaker 2: 58:47

Munchkin or Malarkey Okay.

Speaker 1: 58:51

So here we go. It's time for a game we call Munchkin or Malarkey, where I read a totally absurd Munchkin card and John has to decide Is it real, an official card from the twisted minds behind the Munchkin franchise, or something I just made up in the shower? Let's see if you've got the brains to spot the bluff or if you're about to be cursed with the Duck of Doom. This is Munchkin or Malarkey. So the rules are simple I'm going to read you a Munchkin card and you got to tell me if it's real or not. All right, so your phrasing is Munchkin or Malarkey, okay, and so I kind of gave you a little hint on that first one. But your first card is the duck of Doom. That is Munchkin. You are correct, level up. And number two is Banana of Mass Distraction. That is a monster card, and it makes you slip up with potassium-powered chaos. Is that munchkin or malarkey?

Speaker 2: 59:59

I'm going to say malarkey.

Speaker 1: 1:00:02

That is correct, yeah baby. Now we have, for number three, the invisible pink unicorn. It is an ally. So like a? What do you call it? Yeah, like a steed, a hireling, a hireling. Yeah, like a steve, a hireling or hireling. Okay, it's a hireling. It offers moral support and a plus one bonus.

Speaker 2: 1:00:23

She's very real um, I want to say yes, but I think that that is malarkey that is munchkin.

Speaker 1: 1:00:42

The next card is the therapist of doom. It's a monster and you must discard all negative emotional baggage. And two cards if you lose, I'm gonna say that, that is munchkin that is malarkey. Come on next. I have potion of idiotic bravery. It's a one-shot motion. Do you remember that card? I?

Speaker 2: 1:00:59

I hope so, otherwise I'm making stuff up, it's real.

Speaker 1: 1:01:03

Let me finish now. We have for number six, blessed fanny pack of holding. It's an armor.

Speaker 2: 1:01:09

It lets you hold one extra card, because it's divine trying to think if I can remember that in play or not, because it very much sounds like something that would be in an expansion pack, but I don't know. I'm going to say Malarkey, it's.

Speaker 1: 1:01:31

Malarkey, baby, let's go. Number seven, the IRS Wrath. Baby, let's go. Number seven, the IRS Wrath. It's a monster card and it demands you give up 10% of your gold in taxes. If you are defeated by it, I'm going to say malarkey, that is malarkey.

Speaker 2: 1:01:48

Number eight IRS is going to take more than 10%. Let's be honest.

Speaker 1: 1:01:51

Do what?

Speaker 2: 1:01:52

IRS is going to take more than 10%. I know right.

Speaker 1: 1:01:55

Number eight the Chainsawaw of bloody dismemberment. It's a weapon. It's plus three bonus in his two hands. I'm gonna say munchkin, that is munchkin. It is the weapon he holds on the cover of the box.

Speaker 2: 1:02:08

Yep yep, yep, I was trying to think of the name. If that checks out, or if it's named something different and it just does the same thing, it just does the same thing yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:02:19

Next we have Sharktopus. It's a monster. It's half shark, half octopus. All pain. Is it Munchkin or Malarkey? Malarkey, that is Munchkin, my friend, all right. Number 10, boots of Buttkicking it's armor, a classic. Plus two bonus Munchkin. Yeah, it is Heck, yeah, baby. Next is Gnome with a death ray. It's a monster, tiny but dangerous, especially with tech.

Speaker 2: 1:02:49

I want to say Malarkey, because I think Gnome is a race that you can be in one of the expansions.

Speaker 1: 1:02:54

That's incorrect. That is Munchkin. It's from the Star Munchkin expansion Dang. Next is Elder Karen. Elder Karen. Yes, it's a monster. She wants to speak to the dungeon manager. Plus two if you're male Like she does, plus two to damage.

Speaker 2: 1:03:11

Yeah, I'm going to say Munchkin.

Speaker 1: 1:03:14

That is Malarkey. Come on, man, so real. The next one is the Dunwich Snorer. She is a monster. She is a sleeping beast. If you snore while playing the game, it wakes up and attacks.

Speaker 2: 1:03:32

Malarkey.

Speaker 1: 1:03:33

That is from Munchkin, cthulhu. That is from Munchkin Cthulhu.

Speaker 2: 1:03:38

This is the problem, because Munchkin has 38 pages of products on their website man, it's great and each page has like 20 to 30 items on it.

Speaker 1: 1:03:52

One day, one day, I'm going to you know what, If we ever start to get a budget on the show, it'll all go towards Munchkin merch.

Speaker 2: 1:04:05

It'll all go towards buying Munchkin stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:04:07

Oh my gosh. So we have as the next one, laser Mazer, gazer Blazer. It's a weapon, it's plus five bonus four words infinite power Munchkin. That is from Star Munchkin. The next card is Sassy Rainbow Pegacorn. It's a monster, looks adorable but hits like a truck.

Speaker 2: 1:04:40

I'm going to say munchkin it is. It's from munchkin unicorns did you know there's a munchkin duck tails? I didn't interesting. Yeah, it came out in 2019 nice.

Speaker 1: 1:04:54

Next card is Monologue of Villainy. It's a one-shot item. It stalls combat while you deliver your evil speech.

Speaker 2: 1:05:06

Malarkey.

Speaker 1: 1:05:07

That is Malarkey, let's go. Next card Unnatural Axe. It's a weapon, an axe.

Speaker 2: 1:05:15

Munchkin.

Speaker 1: 1:05:16

Yeah, it's from Munchkin too. I remember a weapon, an axe, munchkin. Yeah, it's from Munchkin too. I remember that card yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:05:21

I remember me some unnatural axe.

Speaker 1: 1:05:25

The next one is Captain Ursatz. Captain Ursatz, it's a monster, a superhero, who's definitely not from any known universe.

Speaker 2: 1:05:41

Uh, definitely not from any known universe. It's a monster card, captain Ersatz. Definitely not known from any universe. Yes man, that just sounds Munchkin-y. I will risk it, I will say Munchkin.

Speaker 1: 1:05:54

That is from Super Munchkin. Come on, baby. Next, next card the four horsemen. It's a monster. Yes, all four. If one escapes, it still counts. Malarkey, that is from munchkin apocalypse. And the last card okay, board game night. Game night, it's a monster. You're attacked by a horde of overly competitive gamers.

Speaker 2: 1:06:25

Oh man, that sounds All right. I'm going to try it, munchkin.

Speaker 1: 1:06:33

It's Munchkin from Munchkin Zombie, let's go. So thank you everybody for listening in for this episode of Munchkin or Malarkey. Would you like to know how you did, john? Give it to me, regis. All right, you've got out of 20, 15, correct? Yay, that makes you in the game of Munchkin and Malarkey, a level 8, chaotic. Good enough, that is your ranking, congratulations, yay.

Speaker 2: 1:07:07

Awesome, well, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:07:12

Yeah, we did it.

Speaker 2: 1:07:13

We did it.

Speaker 1: 1:07:14

Do you like that game? You like that, that was fun, I'm glad. That was very themed and very good. Thank you, we did it. You like that game? You like that? That was fun, I'm glad.

Speaker 2: 1:07:18

That was very themed and very good. Thank you, you're welcome.

Speaker 1: 1:07:22

Great, you know, that's Munchkin. We have a lot of fun with it, you know, and I hope that we can kind of pick it up and start playing it a lot more.

Speaker 2: 1:07:33

Yes maybe one day, one day, yeah. So that's munchkin, do we wanna do?

Speaker 1: 1:07:40

we have enough time to do a corner. Yes, we do so, tyler. This is your transition into the corner. Step inside if you dare. Shadows move, mysteries whisper and the unknown awaits. Welcome to the Corner.

Speaker 2: 1:08:19

So this is the Corner what you got for us this week, john. We promised, we promised, uh, do spiracy. So we're. We're going to be talking about the mountain dew conspiracy, or mountain dew gate. We'll call it mountain dew mountain dew gate.

Speaker 1: 1:08:27

Yeah, yeah, so we talked about this last week a little bit. Well, not last week.

Speaker 2: 1:08:34

We played a game. Yeah called Do or Do Not Do, or Do Not Do the Do or Don't. There we go Do the Do or Don't. Sorry, and in that we kind of brought up the conspiracy theory about Mountain Dew flavors.

Speaker 1: 1:08:52

So that's what we're going to be talking about. Yeah, and you showed me the video that you're kind of started off with this and I'm like that's, that's crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:09:04

Well, that's the thing is. It was brought up originally on a podcast episode by a guy named Maverick and it has since then spread in the internet verse and people are talking about it, because now people are going back and looking and realizing like, uh, he's not wrong, right? So you know and this is the big thing is he brought up that it's not every single Mountain Dew flavor? No, it tends to be the ones that they make a really big deal about in promoting Then, shortly after, something happens. So start at the beginning. Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:09:44

So the idea is that Mountain Dew will come out with a flavor. They'll heavily promote it and then later on that year, a catastrophe of some kind happens and it seems to line up with the name of that flavor. So the most on the nose is Maui Blast. It came out in 2023. A couple of months later, the Mauui wildfires happen, right that sweep across the island of maui in hawaii. So that's a big one, right? The? There was the one that they talked about, the star spangled. What did they call? The spanger spangled something? Star spangled, cherry berry or something.

Speaker 2: 1:10:32

Yeah, it's a mountain dew flavor that has to do with like red, white and blue, but it it correlated to the star spangled banner, and a couple of months after that, the bridge which is named after the man who wrote the star spangled banner uh collapsed from a boat running into it, and so it was a big natural disaster deal and that happened. I don't remember when that happened, actually, but one of the craziest ones was Code Red. Code Red yeah, mountain Dew Code Red came out and then afterwards, 9-11 happened, which is a Code Red, like the Twin Towers being attacked and falling.

Speaker 1: 1:11:20

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 1:11:21

So that one I mean that one plays into all the conspiracy guys that are like 9-11 was an inside job.

Speaker 1: 1:11:26

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:11:28

And they're communicating with the Mountain Dew.

Speaker 1: 1:11:31

Pepsi company. Yeah, exactly To give you hints. Oh yeah, the one I thought was crazy is this new flavor that's about to come out, like Baja Midnight, baja Midnight. No, I don't really care about the theory, I just kind of want to try the drink.

Speaker 2: 1:11:45

I do, yeah, I'm kidding, I don't care, I do want to try it out, though. No, they announced it. I don't think that it's out yet. At Taco Bell Maybe it is, but yeah, so it came out with. They announced at the beginning of 22 and 5 at Taco Bell Live yeah, which was weird, like everyone acknowledged. Like this is weird that they're doing like a fast food restaurant announcement, almost like what. Dragon con is yeah where the, or like when they do the different game releases.

Speaker 2: 1:12:20

Yeah, like a huge convention with announcements and stuff. Yeah, they did it for taco bell, for the taco bell menu everybody get excited.

Speaker 1: 1:12:27

We got another taco coming out. Yeah, new mountain dew flavor.

Speaker 2: 1:12:31

So weird, but anyway. So they did that and they announced that they were coming out with an exclusive taco bell mountain dew flavor and it was called baja midnight mountain dew, baja midnight, and so that was okay, that's cool. We're getting a new Baja Mountain Dew flavor. And then, most recently, the bombing the American bombing of the Iran nuclear sites occurred. The name of that operation, that last minute surprise operation no one knew it was coming.

Speaker 1: 1:13:10

And it just happened. Did it be called Operation Baja Midnight? No, it was called Midnight Hammer, midnight Hammer.

Speaker 2: 1:13:18

And so that was a big turning point for everything that was going on over there. But it's just crazy Midnight Midnight Baja, midnight Midnight Hammer.

Speaker 1: 1:13:27

I would say the closest thing and it doesn't line up. But if it was orchestrated, that they are actually naming it after the event happened. But that's not the case.

Speaker 2: 1:13:39

Correct. They're not naming it after the names come out, before the. Whatever the name comes out and then something happens that lines up with the name. Like it's never really hard to connect the two. It's very easy to connect them right.

Speaker 1: 1:14:00

So I will say my only argument, like a legitimate, real argument on this, is that I would give more validity to it if it happened for every single flavor. But there's such huge gaps that, though it is odd, it's enough to be a coincidence in my book. It's still crazy, don't get me wrong. Yeah, but it's like, okay, what is gaps between the this midnight one and the one before?

Speaker 2: 1:14:35

I don't remember the some of the dates on the ones, but I mean, the maui fires happened in 2023, okay, so that would be that. Code red came out in 2001. Yeah, I don't remember when the star spangled do came out. I'm still trying to find that on the list the the star spangled bannered one. I will say that, um, there was when I was first looking into this baja. Midnight wasn't on the radar for me, yeah, so I was looking at the dew mountain dew releases for, like the summer or whatever, and the one that was happening this year was mountain dew summer freeze summer, for oh no, I was like no, oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:15:22

I kind of would like to nice to have, it would be kind of nice to have some cold weather right now, because it is a hot outside.

Speaker 2: 1:15:28

It is hot but dude's like no side and there's just an ice my livelihood. Oh man, dude, it would be messed up.

Speaker 1: 1:15:40

But yeah, that one would be crazy if we got snow in July. Yeah, that's true. Have we ever gotten snow in Georgia in July?

Speaker 2: 1:15:53

Not that I'm aware of, there you go. I we ever gotten snow in Georgia in July. Never. Not that I'm aware of there you go. I've never had it in July Mountain Dew Voodoo. I feel like there was something behind that one.

Speaker 1: 1:16:05

I could be wrong, though. You went to Universal Studios recently, right Last year. Yeah, don't be turned off by the name, but did you get stopped by voodoo donuts and get one of their donuts there?

Speaker 2: 1:16:18

no, we went to uh the, the simpsons themed one oh, and got the big boy donut. Yeah what lard, lard lad. Yeah, we went to lard lad and we got. We didn't get the big one, we got the four-pack of donuts Gotcha Different flavors.

Speaker 1: 1:16:36

Voodoo Donuts. I know it's a little off-topic, but they have like the craziest flavors, like when I went they had like a Butterfinger-flavored donut. It's inside the park, it's in City Walk. It's in City Walk, okay park.

Speaker 2: 1:16:53

It's in city walk. It's in city walk, okay, so you pass by on the way to the park. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I know, okay, this is weird. Exclusives mountain dew flavors. Okay, okay, meaning it's exclusive to one location right what location do you think the Mountain Dew Maui Burst, what store or restaurant do you think it is exclusively sold in?

Speaker 1: 1:17:20

Is it Walmart, dollar General, dollar General? So we could go to Dollar General right now and get a Maui blast.

Speaker 2: 1:17:30

Yep, okay, and how about this one Mountain Dew Sweet Lightning?

Speaker 1: 1:17:34

Heat Lightning. That was KFC, wasn't it? That's right, KFC. We talked about that last week.

Speaker 2: 1:17:39

Okay, mountain Dew Berry, monsoon Berry, oh no.

Speaker 1: 1:17:44

Monsoon.

Speaker 2: 1:17:45

It's not out anymore. It was 2018 to 2023.

Speaker 1: 1:17:47

And that's exclusive to a store, mm-hmm, like Circle K or something like that. Sam's Club, sam's Club Jeez.

Speaker 2: 1:17:54

And then, okay, the Mountain Dew Frostbite I guess that was the one I was talking about, Frostbite and Mountain Dew Dragonfruit. They're both exclusive to Walmart Mountain Dew Southern Shock.

Speaker 1: 1:18:10

Oh, no Bojangles. Why are these names like actual? They sound like actual threats now.

Speaker 2: 1:18:16

Yeah, dugarita, dugarita, a pun on margarita Dugarita. Oh, this is a mess, this is weird, this doesn't even play well. Dugarita, kind of a play on word for margarita sold exclusively at Red Lobster.

Speaker 1: 1:18:33

Ugh, why would you want like, yeah, let me get a cup of caviar, some Cheddar Bay biscuits and let me get that Nougarita, Nougarita, real quick. This is a picture of the Voodoo Donuts.

Speaker 2: 1:18:49

Yeah, those look good, dude. Yeah, they were good. Yeah, I mean I didn. Yeah, they were good. Yeah, I mean I didn't have any problem with the Lard Lad donuts. They were pretty good, mm-hmm. But when we went, there was we did all of our park days and then we had an extra day for Universal, and so me, my wife and our two youngers, dash and park ranger, went and did a universal day. Nobody else, everyone else wanted to stay at the house, but we went back and so we went a little slower and kind of just hit the things that we really wanted to do and just hung out for the day. But uh, yeah, that's when we got the donuts and, like we went and did the animal show. I don't know if you've ever done that before the animal actors.

Speaker 1: 1:19:39

Yeah, I don't know if they still do that or not, but I think I did it a long.

Speaker 2: 1:19:42

They did it last year when we were there at the end of the year we need to do another universal episode because I'm going in September.

Speaker 1: 1:19:51

Ooh, no, I'm saying so I can come back. Oh yeah, yeah, we're going to the new park.

Speaker 2: 1:19:55

That's there, epic Universe.

Speaker 1: 1:19:56

Okay, all right, so we can do a little episode on Universal again. All right, I'm for it. Cool. Do you have anything else to say about the Dutastrophes.

Speaker 2: 1:20:08

No other than we'll just keep an eye on it. You know there, no other than we'll just keep an eye on it. You know there's nothing else to say to keep on listening for your update on the dootastrophes. Yeah, if it. I mean we're we. We're doing it in a casual, joking way, but some people are taking it like serious. They're like mountain dew is tapped in somehow and they're, they're, they're leaving the info out there for us.

Speaker 1: 1:20:31

Yeah, and so it's like it is Again. It sounds silly, but it is an interesting. You gave enough that you piqued my interest.

Speaker 2: 1:20:41

Yeah, yeah, it is interesting how many correlate. Yeah, and to me this is the selling point is that it's not every single flavor, it's every single flavor that is heavily promoted. So that's the other big thing, but all right. Well, that's all I got on this episode of the Saints to Serve, podcast episode 43. We love you guys. Thank you so much for joining us and you know what Everyone in India listening we love you, that's right.

Speaker 1: 1:21:21

And China, and China. And a little question to pose to you as we close out this episode what was your favorite childhood board game? Yeah, let us know in the comments. So there you go.

Speaker 2: 1:21:33

There you go, christ is Lord.

Speaker 1: 1:21:38

And the kingdom is now. We are the saints that serve. Can you plug that in for me?

Speaker 2: 1:22:04

yeah, oh, yeah, yeah yeah, that's for a good cause. What cause fun, it's just fun yeah.