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Welcome to the Saints that Serve, podcast where, each week, your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith, culture and the unknown.

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Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now. We are the Saints that Serve.

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Hey, welcome to the Saints that Serve. Podcast. That is, the Saints that Serve podcast, and this is our 37th episode, number three, seven, that's right, getting close to 40, which is nowhere near the end of this podcast's life.

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But if it was a human being it would be halfway, yeah, on average Statistically.

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Yeah.

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But anyways. Yeah, that's going to be a real downer for our 80-year-old listeners.

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Some would say equal host, equal co-owner in this company that we call a podcast.

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We're a non-profit company, but not legally. But not legally, we just don't make any money.

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Yeah. So we thought it would be fun to just dive into a couple of weeks of just looking at the different cults, and we decided to kick this week off and that's what we're going to do tonight into a couple of weeks of just looking at the different cults, and we decided to kick this week off, and that's what we're going to do tonight.

Speaker 1: 1:56

We're just going to talk about one of the probably the most cult cult that is part of a organized religion, not a cult where it's like a group of crazy people in a barn on a farm in Idaho.

Speaker 2: 2:04

Yeah, so we're going to dive into that, but before we do, if you need prayer for anything, reach out to us. Our email is saintsatserve at gmailcom. Or there is a link at the bottom of the description for this show and it will take you to a direct messaging and you can message us that way. Or you can reach out to us on social media. We're on Instagram, Threads, YouTube.

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Does MySpace even exist anymore?

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I think so Let me just do a quick little in the name of science.

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Speaking of things that don't exist anymore. They shut down Skype Really. Yeah, microsoft officially shut down Skype on May 5th. The answer is MySpace does still exist. Hmm, maybe we'll get on MySpace. Go check us out the Saints that Serve podcast on MySpace. If you can't tell by my laughter, we ain't doing that. No, we're not going to do that, unless you need us to. I mean, yeah, I guess if you're, if you're still on MySpace and you're looking for us on MySpace.

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There's an option to sign in with Facebook On MySpace. On to MySpace, there we go. We're not going to do that, just keep it on Facebook, anyways, yeah, so let's, I mean, that's everything, so keep it.

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We do have a worship night coming up next week, oh, is it next week?

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yeah, it is pulling by behind the curtain a little bit. I'm going out of the country on a trip, and so we have pre-recorded three episodes. Yes, so again, I think I said this last week, but also this week. If anything is out of date, it's because we recorded this three weeks prior to when you're listening to it. But Not to lose your attention. Not to lose your attention, but with that being said, yes, next week, june 6th, is our next Worship Night livestream.

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Yep, and we're on YouTube and Twitch for that. That's correct, because no one else wants to follow us on Facebook.

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Hey, if you want to hop on Facebook and give us some likes and follows, once we hit 100 followers on our Facebook page, we can also live stream to that.

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Yep, I don't think anybody's watching on Facebook anyway. So if we can't even get to 100 followers, oh man, anyways. So, yeah, those are our announcements Live worship coming up. If you need prayer or if you're not following us, do so. Yeah, we do pray for you on Fridays. Yes, every Friday. Pray for you Friday. So make sure you let us know how to pray for you on Friday. That's right, yeah, so are you ready to?

Speaker 1: 5:26

get into it. I can tell so much that you're ready to hop into this, because you've tried to start the episode, the main topic, several times. I'm excited too, yeah. So, tyler, this is your transition. We are now transitioning into the main topic, which is we're going to talk about Scientology. We hate it, we're gonna dive into the world of sci-fi. This is okay. Of all of the cults, this is the wackiest one, dude. It's so wacky. Looking into my research for this, I'm just like this can't be real.

Speaker 2: 6:02

This is parody, this can't be that's just you denying your inner thetan. Oh yeah, yeah, you're right. Right, you just need to allow the auditing to happen so that it can be released and I need to become what.

Speaker 1: 6:15

What is it? It's um operating thetan, right, I think ot. I got to become ot and clear. This is so stupid dude.

Speaker 2: 6:25

I think that that was the most outlandish thing to me was the auditing. That's what they decided to call it. Right, right, you're just like wait a minute, you can tell that it is very business oriented. Oh, we'll get into why. Yeah, so let's. Yeah, let's just get into it. So what is Scientology? So?

Speaker 1: 6:48

L Ron Hubbard is the founder of Scientology.

Speaker 2: 6:54

Which can I just point out that that sounds very much so like a science fiction writer's name L Ron Hubbard. Yeah, because guess what, he is a science fiction writer's name L Ron Hubbard.

Speaker 1: 7:05

Yeah, because guess what? He is a science fiction writer.

Speaker 2: 7:09

But that's what I'm saying. It was almost like he was born for the part, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 7:14

My notes are a little oddly Everywhere. Just like this religion. Hey-o Got him no. So they have a book. It's their key text. It's called dianetics, the modern science of mental health. Oh, that is their quote-unquote bible. It was founded in 1954 as the Church of Scientology in Los Angeles. Los Angeles, the City of Fallen Angels, right City of the Angel, something like that. Oh, los Angeles, I think, is the City of Angels or something. I mean Los is plural for the. So the City of Angels, yeah, los Angeles. Anyways, sorry, when me and Ashley went to Los Angeles I saw the building I got a picture of it.

Speaker 2: 8:12

What's it called the gold? What's it called the gold something? What's that? The Scientology building?

Speaker 1: 8:18

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:19

It's called the gold something.

Speaker 1: 8:20

I don't know, I took a picture of them. Look at this cult, look at that. Funny enough, I've been seeing a lot of videos on tiktok of this one dude passing by and harassing or yelling at the people inside the scientology building. Like anytime he sees somebody in there he's like it's a cult, guys, guys, get out, get out. When you can kind of stuff attack, like just warning the people who are in there, yeah, every single time they have like a panic button and it just shuts the doors, all the doors, immediately, and then tents all the windows for the building what yeah that's crazy so it's.

Speaker 1: 8:54

It's really funny to watch this. Every time those come up I'm like I've seen that building, I've walked that street I'm trying to find the name of the building.

Speaker 2: 9:02

It is because when we were looking into doing all this, I was looking at it and they gave the names of some of the different buildings they have. But, yeah, this one, it was like gold something, the one in Los Angeles, but isn't it weird that it has a cross on the top of it?

Speaker 1: 9:19

Yeah, when bizarre right, especially when they don't believe in a God.

Speaker 2: 9:26

Yeah, they don't believe in a god. Yeah, they do n't.

Speaker 1: 9:27

They don't believe in a god, they don't believe in jesus no, this is so scientology, we're going to get into it, but it's strictly incredibly fake. So incredibly fake. Yes, uh, they expanded globally in the 1960s and 70s was their big boom. They've been involved in a lot of legal disputes, tax battles and accusations of abuse of their members. Yeah, a lot of them they tried. I remember watching a documentary about it this big one I think it was called Going clear or something like that and like. One of the big points in that story was them like having this huge, huge, like legal issues and legal battles to fight for the fat, for the right for them to be considered a official religion so they could become tax free.

Speaker 2: 10:25

Yeah, that was. Yeah, that's dude, it's a, it's a scam. It's such a scam Not to offend anybody.

Speaker 1: 10:36

Oh, if you're a Scientologist and you're listening to this, first off, get out. Second off, it's a scam. Third off find Jesus immediately. Yes, yes, yes. If you are a Scientologist stuck in the Church of Scientology, email us at saintsatsir at gmailcom and we will show you the way to Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2: 10:57

Yes, we will reveal the truth.

Speaker 1: 11:02

And it has nothing to do with being audited yes, so you're still trying to figure that out.

Speaker 2: 11:08

That building no, I gave up on that, but I do find it interesting that they have two, like I guess you could say they break it into two portions. It for like entering into the religion. There's processing and then training and it's the they call it the bridge to total freedom, right?

Speaker 1: 11:33

So in that it's like a structured path to spiritual enlightenment and freedom is how they put it. Yeah, Individuals advance from pre-clear to clear to advanced operating thetan levels. So that's what I was referencing earlier OT levels. Each step is designed to remove more spiritual barriers and bring the individual closer to a full self-realization as a thetan, Self-realization as a thetan. So if that sounds wacky, it is.

Speaker 2: 12:06

I think that they use the term auditor. The higher up you get.

Speaker 1: 12:11

Oh, I see, so you start with Well, so what is a thetan?

Speaker 2: 12:16

Well, hold on. What does the OT mean again? Operating thetan, there we go, so yeah it is. There we go, so yeah it is. You go through the levels of operating Thetan and then you get into the class auditor, so whatever that means.

Speaker 1: 12:36

So again disclaimer we believe none of this.

Speaker 2: 12:39

Yeah, and we're actually still researching it to try to.

Speaker 1: 12:43

Because it's so wild and there's so much out there. You were telling me some wacky stuff before we got started.

Speaker 2: 12:52

Yeah, some of the history.

Speaker 1: 12:52

That goes into it. Some of the history and some of like you want to get in with their, but we'll get into that in a minute, yeah, yeah, but just kind of like to tell you what they believe is. They believe that humans are essentially Thetans. Thetans are immortal spiritual beings who have forgotten their divine nature. Thetans are trapped in a cycle of trauma and confusion due to painful memories across countless lifetimes. That's so weird dude.

Speaker 2: 13:23

Well, yeah, they, the way I understand it is, they believe that the physical body is the imprisonment of a thetan, which is this spiritual enlightened entity it's essentially not even you as a person yeah, you're trapping the Thetan. You're the villain right and you will have to in order for you to become enlightened, you need to release the inner Thetan within you.

Speaker 1: 13:54

But it's not you. You have to release the Thetan, though A term they use is engrams, engrams.

Speaker 2: 14:01

Okay.

Speaker 1: 14:02

And auditing. We've said that several times. Auditing Yep, so engrams okay. And auditing. We've said that several, several times. Auditing yep, so engrams are subconscious traumatic memories for them, right, and auditing is a counseling process using an e-meter to remove engrams I would like to point out, because here we are again scientology, obviously a cult.

Speaker 2: 14:24

Well, I couldn't even call it a cult because it's not branching off from a main religion. It is its totally own thing, it's totally fabricated in its own way, but it is using terminology that derives from every other worldly religion. I mean the ancient religions to modern day Hinduism and Buddhism. Where it's, there's endless life cycles and we're just. This is the one we're in right now.

Speaker 1: 14:59

Right.

Speaker 2: 15:00

And we're working to get a better one in the next one and we're working to get a better one in the next one. And it's just a poor understanding of the immortal, that we were designed to be immortal, like God when he created the all things and he created man in his image he created. Sin is what takes away our immortality and makes us mortal or with an end. But it also I mean, I guess you could say this is where Scientology takes some spiritual creativity from Christianity, because sin wants to lie to us and make us think that this is it. Once our physical body goes, we're done, there's nothing else. That's what the world teaches through science and atheism, and I mean even a lot of agnostic stuff. They don't really believe.

Speaker 2: 15:59

You pass on to something else, but the Bible teaches that we are immortal. We have an immortal soul or an immortal spirit that has the opportunity for eternity if we put our faith in Christ, because he is the only true eternity. And so if we live in Christ, then we live in eternity. If we separate ourselves from Christ, then we will live in the mortal world. That will end with the destruction of sin, when God brings down the final day and destroys sin, everything in sin will be destroyed with it. Sin will be destroyed with it. So you know, there's that concept and it seems like Scientology is latching onto that, like, oh, you've got an immortal soul trapped inside you, it's called a thetan and you need to release it.

Speaker 1: 16:54

Release the thetan. It's not you, it's not part of you and you have to let it go because that trauma, that trauma within the thetan, is bringing you down.

Speaker 2: 17:04

I could be totally wrong on this, but I think the idea is, once you can release the thetan within, or become an operating thetan, then you can start to develop and become like a thetan, an immortal, enlightened, transcendent being. I think that that's the idea. I could be wrong.

Speaker 1: 17:26

It's so nonsensical and it's not even the worst part which we're going to get into. So this knowledge, right yes, this stuff that we're talking about, right yeah. How do you learn this in this quote-unquote religion that's?

Speaker 2: 17:42

a good question.

Speaker 1: 17:43

You have to pay money. You have to pay a lot of money. Yeah, so you have the different levels, right? Yes, in the cult, and to get to each level, it is not you proving yourself spiritually in some way, shape or form, it is not like proving your knowledge in certain topics or whatever. It is paywalls you have to pay a certain amount of money, a ridiculous amount of money, to get the knowledge from this quote-unquote church.

Speaker 2: 18:18

Yeah, so can I just read the very first step in the progression of the bridge.

Speaker 1: 18:26

Yeah, so again, so you called it. The bridge to total freedom is there, it's their steps program. Which is their different levels, and you gain this knowledge through levels.

Speaker 2: 18:37

Yep. So the very first one on this schematic, if you will, is called purification rundown. On this schematic, if you will, it's called Purification Rundown and what you get when you complete it is freedom from the restimulative effects of drug residuals and other toxins. What, yeah? So, and then you move on to the TRs and objectives, which is I don't know what TRs stands for Training routines, training routines. And then it goes into Scientology drug rundown, happiness rundown, arc, straight wire, grade one, grade zero grade. It goes grade zero up to grade four, and then you go into new era dianatics, or ned, expanded diagnatics what um?

Speaker 1: 19:39

what are you looking at? This is in it. It's too much information, so I'm gonna stop looking at it, I've got my, I've got a very like brief summary and I'm trying to follow along with yours this is I mean because it's even breaking down, like the levels of yeah, it's so.

Speaker 2: 19:53

It's so detailed, it looks like on your side I mean when you become a level 15 ot ability gained confidential until released. I don't even know. Oh, oh, oh. This, this sheet will not tell you what it means Like it won't tell you what your ability is oh, I bet you, because that is probably something more official it's behind the paywall.

Speaker 1: 20:19

It's behind the paywall, so that's something official, so. So that makes more sense. So their stuff is very generic information because you have to again, you have to pay to earn it, to learn it Correct, to prove yourself worthy of this knowledge. So do you want to know what they learned? Let's do it. So this is free of charge for you, on the Saints that Serve podcast. Free of charge, free of charge. But I'm going to read this to you and then I'm going to let you know how much it would have cost if you were a Scientologist, to learn this knowledge. Hit me. So this is for the OT, level three operating thetan level three. It's the Xenu myth. This is what Scientologists believe the, the xenomyth, the xenomyth that wasn't a xenomorph, so this is this is a very brief summary of it.

Speaker 1: 21:18

Yeah, but they believe that 75 million years ago, a galactic named Xenu teleported billions of beings to Earth, killed them with a hydrogen bomb and released their spirits. Wow, these spirits, called body thetans, attached to human bodies or are they are attached to humans today got it at ot levels. Scientologists attempt to remove these spirits through solo auditing. Solo auditing you have to be in the church for many years yeah, to and donate money and get to OT level three to learn what you're supposed to believe in this church. This is their base foundation on their religion, and you have to be there for this certain amount of time. And you have to be. You have to be OT level three. Yes, ot level three costs somewhere between two to $15,000. Per level. Jeez, that's so from OT to one through three, keep in mind. So there's steps before this, there are steps before this.

Speaker 2: 22:45

So we talked about Can I tell you real quick according to this chart, there are 22 other levels before you get to OT level three.

Speaker 1: 22:53

Mine is very brief. That's even crazier than mine, jeez. So so that, like, you go in and it's free to go into the building yeah, of course, free to get in and then you have an intro course and you take a personality test. That's free, and the personality test is $50. Then they'll do life repair. Oh boy, that's $2,000 to $4,000 single payment. Then you have to do your purification rundown, which is $25,000 to $5,000. Then objective and grades, which is $7,000 to $15,000 each Jeez. Then, when you become clear, to become clear, that's $50,000 to $100,000 plus. Then you become OT. Okay, and there's 15 levels of OT. This is insanity.

Speaker 2: 23:46

There are 13 levels before you get to level clear. So just so you guys know.

Speaker 1: 23:55

So all of your religion Scientologists are behind a paywall, don't people? Don't get mad at people for buying skins and dlc on fortnite.

Speaker 2: 24:04

Yeah, so basically, what you're saying is, once you've paid the thousands of dollars to get to tens of thousands of tens of thousands of dollars to get to ot, level three is when you can finally find out what's going on.

Speaker 1: 24:18

Yes, and now our feature presentation. That's essentially what it is. Yeah, you just saw the trailers.

Speaker 2: 24:26

You paid tens of millions of dollars to watch the trailers.

Speaker 1: 24:31

I'm sorry, tens of thousands To watch the trailers. Then you get to the main show and then it's just like a mad—no wonder, by the time you get to OT3, that you believe it because you're so invested at that point, yeah yeah, you know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:46

You know the good and well that there are TV shows that you were heavily invested in and they did some stupid nonsense and you pushed through it and believed in it. Yeah, because you were so invested you know what I mean like something like the tv show lost, you go through it and you're just like when they start doing stupid nonsense. I'm just using an example. I don't know if lost had stupid nonsense or not, but I mean maybe.

Speaker 1: 25:11

But like you watch through all of lost, it's just like you're just trying to work it out in your mind Like, no, it's not that bad. It's not that bad. Yeah, you know what I mean. And it's like, well, yeah, because you're so invested in it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:26

Yeah, I'm looking at this chart and for the highest level, class 11. Class 11. Auditor. Jeez, it looks like it says the end result is flubless, class 11 auditor. So it explains what a flubless auditor is. What does that even mean flubless? All right, I'm going to Google, search it and see what it is. What is flubless? What?

Speaker 1: 25:53

is flubless. So while you look that up, you're going to probably sit in there asking like, okay, if this is how much this costs to become part of this religion and gain this knowledge? How do people know this? And it's because people have been trapped in this cult. Literally, they trap people right. They trap people right, they put them in these camps and they like, essentially break them down into making them almost like mindless slaves so that they can keep gaining money from these people. And people have, they use the phrase escaped. They escape Scientology and they have been telling people of the world what they have been through and this is what they were taught to believe. Yeah, so this knowledge is out here now for free, for you to decline, hopefully, please, people decline this knowledge, not this podcast, the knowledge of psycho religion.

Speaker 2: 26:47

Just a quick Google search doesn't give me anything on flubless.

Speaker 1: 26:54

Isn't a flub like you messing up something like talking. You flubbed your line.

Speaker 2: 26:58

Maybe I don't know. A flubless class auditor refers to an auditor who has completed the class and become flubless Internship auditor course and is considered a proficient in performing auditing without mistakes. So I was right, so you're right. Mistakeless, yeah, yeah, no mistakes in performing auditing without mistakes.

Speaker 1: 27:16

So I was right.

Speaker 2: 27:17

So you're right, mistakeless, yeah, yeah, no mistakes in performing an audit which is releasing of a thetan, making somebody an operating thetan Right.

Speaker 1: 27:28

They've gone clear, yeah, and clear is a milestone in which the individual is said to have eradicated their reactive mind, which is the source of irrational fears and behaviors. Claims include improved memory, emotional stability and physical health. People, if you need just mental health, just go see a psychiatrist or something. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:55

This is crazy. A psychiatrist or something like yeah, this is. This is crazy. I feel like I'm doing research for a dungeons and dragons campaign, figuring out what class I'm gonna be right.

Speaker 1: 28:06

That's what this feels like looking at all this so much data, so much information. So essentially, what's going on here is L Ron Hubbard.

Speaker 2: 28:16

That guy.

Speaker 1: 28:16

That guy is a science fiction writer and he decided that he wanted to create a religion so that he could make money. That is baseline, exactly what happened, where this man said I want to be able to make more money through donations, because being a science fiction writer is not cutting it, so he makes a religion, comes up with this awful plan to entrap people, and people believe this, yeah, and it's so crazy that all he knows is science fiction, so he works in the science fiction into his religion.

Speaker 2: 28:56

Yeah, this AI search says that his most popular books include Dianatics, the modern science of mental health, which is quote unquote their Bible, and Battlefield Earth, battlefield Earth, jeez, which I don't know if that is just a straight up, that's just a separate thing that he wrote, or if that plays into the lore behind the religion. Right With the Xena character or Xeno character.

Speaker 1: 29:25

Yeah, I'm going to let you be wrong, because it doesn't deserve being said out loud, correctly.

Speaker 2: 29:30

What Xenu oh Xenu Xenu.

Speaker 1: 29:35

Don't say it three times, it'll show up like Beetlejuice.

Speaker 2: 29:39

Well, and so then we get into that, like how much of it is fabrication and how much of it is demonic deception?

Speaker 1: 29:48

Mm, you know like is All of it?

Speaker 2: 29:50

I believe is demonic deception, deception well, yes, but I mean like, because sometimes I think that satan allows, if he's like, hey, if they're operating in in darkness and and just being ridiculous, I don't even need to get involved.

Speaker 2: 30:09

I don't need to, I don't need to stoke that fire right but if they're, you know, kind of working towards getting if, if the light's going to expose in their life, I need to figure out some creative deceptions to throw their way, because I think that's the sole purpose or sole goal of the fallen angels is they've already lost the war, so all they have left is destructive deception.

Speaker 1: 30:36

How many people can we drag down with us?

Speaker 2: 30:39

Yes, or even how can we make life harder for the faithful who are a part of this covenant of God, even though they may not be able to steal them from God? Because that's what the Bible says. It says that none can steal the saved from God. Right, your salvation can't be taken from you, but how much pain and distraction can they put into a believer's life? It's almost like I know I'm not going to win the fight, but how much damage can I do?

Speaker 1: 31:12

Because if that damage being done to you could also affect a nonbeliever how you react to a nonbeliever, they might attempt to use you to cause somebody else to lose.

Speaker 2: 31:25

Sure, yeah, that's a good point too, these cults and these mystery religions and things. It's how much of it is demonic script and how much of it is just creative liberties of darkness. You know like? I mean is, is L Ron Hubbard being spoon fed the deceptions that he's supposed to give others from a demonic presence, or is it kind of he was pointed in the right direction and then his creative liberties of darkness just took force? Are you saying maybe Xenu is an actual demon? I'm saying, yeah, what if Xenu is an actual demonic presence? Or what if Thetans are the actual demonic presence? Right, right, because I mean, in the Bible we see when Jesus casts out a demonic presence in a man, he has what's called legion, a legion of demons, which, yeah, a legion for the Roman Empire is a thousand men. So if you take it literally, it's a thousand demons and one guy and they all operate together and that's why they call themselves Legion.

Speaker 1: 32:39

Man, what kind of life were you living that allowed you to have a thousand demons be possessing you and controlling you?

Speaker 2: 32:47

Well, okay, getting into that. Think about where we're at today. We're in the same world, like the same rules apply. The only thing that has changed is the cultural preferences or the cultural dynamics that has changed over time. But outside of that, the spiritual realm is still the same. There's still a lot of darkness playing in this world because this is the kingdom of Satan right now. Right, he is the prince of the world. Still, he's been defeated by Christ's victory over death, but he's still given time to reign until that final day.

Speaker 1: 33:30

How many people can he bring with him when he is finally drawn down? Yeah, beaten down.

Speaker 2: 33:34

Yeah, so it's. You know, like we see that I mean that guy, he was manifesting crazy demonic presences, so much for that he was cast out of society because they were like we don't want anything to do with you, you've got so many demons in you that you're a harm to everyone. But I mean, what about the person that has one demon in them? And they just kind of skits every now and then and it's like, well, that's kind of weird, but whatever, like it can hide well, but when you've got so many demons, it shows. That happens today. Like there are people that they can't even. They have so much demonic presence around and in them that it can't even hide well, because there's just no room, you know, and so, and to be honest, like that's why it's so important for us, as Christians, to operate in the light.

Speaker 1: 34:33

Right and bring light to things that want to be hidden behind paywalls.

Speaker 2: 34:40

Well, and Behind paywalls, yeah, Like Scientology.

Speaker 1: 34:43

I mean Behind the paywalls. I mean it's like I'm the science guy, but you know what I mean? It's just like, yeah, that's part of their structure.

Speaker 2: 34:58

It's to wait till you're in too deep before you are revealed. How stupid this is. Well, and it's like every I mean, the more that we get into the different cults for the next couple of weeks, more people are going to realize that all these cults, their motivation, is to enlighten the secret knowledge. People want the secret knowledge, right, and these cults promise hey, you can attain it on your own, all you have to do is join us and do what we say. Whereas the Bible says the secret knowledge is in Christ. The only way to obtain it is through Christ, and so that's the idea is with to understand the secrets of the universe and the secret knowledge that's only found in God, and the only way to get to God is through his son, and so you have to acknowledge the son, you have to acknowledge that he died for your sins on the cross and he extends the grace of God to you. For you to be forgiven, you have to surrender and believe in that.

Speaker 2: 35:54

You can't obtain it on your own, and I think that's what causes so much problems for so many people is they don't want, it's hard to accept grace because they feel so. They feel so evil and dark. It's like I want to fix myself. I don't want to just be forgiven. I don't think I can be forgiven. I I've got to earn it. You know that. I think that's secretly what's going on in people's lives is.

Speaker 1: 36:22

It's. I understand that mentality, right it's. You know it feels better if you earned a living. I know there's people out there who love having handouts, but in a general sense, would you feel better about yourself if you worked out, went out, did your job, worked a long, hard day's work and you get that money and you get paid for it? Or if I just handed you cash right now, for no reason. Which one would feel better to you personally? Well, yeah, or a stranger's, walked up and handed you cash.

Speaker 2: 36:58

So that's the thing is. That's where the idolatry comes into play. Is that if I work for it and I get it on my own, it's me and I can pat myself on the back or I can acknowledge myself For my example.

Speaker 1: 37:10

That's not what I'm behind. What's easier, what feels better at the end of the day, right.

Speaker 2: 37:16

Oh.

Speaker 1: 37:17

I see you were comparing it, saying that this feels weird. Getting salvation for free yeah, there has to be a catch, like the typical human mindset to that, to some degree, is like there has to be some sort of catch because there's no way that something this good is free.

Speaker 2: 37:35

I see what you're saying. I don't know. I don't really look at it that way. I look at like what I was getting at is with the idolatry that's in the idea of salvation, like me as a person, as a human who's born into sin and darkness, who's already corrupted. My mindset is is me Like, how can I be built up, how can I be glorified? And when I find out that I'm imperfect and I'm working on being perfect, or, as our culture would say, as I'm working to improve myself or figuring out how to love myself, hashtag, treat yourself, yeah, yeah, like when that's the mindset, it revolves around me accomplishing things and I feel good about accomplishing those things because it's building me up as my own idol. I'm carving out the image that I'm going to worship for the rest of my life, and I think that that's where a lot of people go, especially the people that are obsessed with you know, their, their image online or their presence on social media.

Speaker 1: 38:44

Yeah, and I think that that does actually go back to what you were saying of like you know, I can do this myself. I don't need anything else. Like you're saying, it's.

Speaker 2: 38:54

Well, I don't even know if it comes from the like. I don't know if it starts with the confidence of I can do this myself. It's it's almost like a I have to be able to do this myself. You know what I mean. Like it's a there's no other way. I've got to figure out how to do it. That's the lie. The deception that we're born into is that I've got to do this somehow. But then Christ teaches that you cannot. Yeah, you have to humble yourself. You have to receive the grace that I extend, because you cannot earn forgiveness of sin. You have to receive that forgiveness and we only can. We have to receive that forgiveness and we can only step into that truth if we practice faith. We have to believe that what God says for us to be forgiven and be in perfection is legit. So I want to read from the official Scientology website. Okay, if you go under, what is Scientology?

Speaker 1: 39:56

I hope you used a VPN because they got you. Now, uh-oh, you went to their website.

Speaker 2: 40:00

Okay, if you go under, what is Scientology? I hope you used a VPN because they got you. Now, uh-oh, you went to their website. Yeah, if you. Yeah, what is Scientology? Towards the bottom of the article, it says Scientology is not a dogmatic religion in which one is asked to accept anything on faith alone. On the contrary, one discovers for oneself that the principles of Scientology are true. I love how it says don't have faith, but have faith in us to believe that this is what works.

Speaker 2: 40:39

Well, and I mean we just, I mean we just spent what 10, 15 minutes talking about paywalls and like the different levels you have to pay to get to, and it's like it is very much so you do all the work to get here. Right, we're giving you the levels that you have to earn, literally by buying them and and putting in the work and stuff. But Ephesians in the Bible, ephesians two, eight and nine says for it is by grace. You have been saved through faith and this is not from yourselves. It is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast. God wants us to humble ourselves before him and receive the forgiveness that he gives us through his son, jesus Christ. We cannot earn our salvation because if we could earn our salvation, we would boast in it. We have to humble ourselves and, by faith, receive the grace in Jesus Christ, and I think Scientology teaches this is how you can boast, this is how you can get true enlightenment and freedom and understanding is by accomplishing these different things.

Speaker 1: 41:46

Which is crazy because again it all kind of in the book Dianetics at least based off the title is meant to help you with your mental health starting out.

Speaker 2: 41:55

Yeah, yeah, I was watching an interview by a guy that he started out in Scientology and then he found deliverance from it and now his kind of career is the study and exposure of cults, specifically Scientology and other cults. But he talks about that like he was in a dark place and he found acceptance through reading these books about Scientology and he got plugged in within Scientology and then started you know the path, down the path Right To ultimately he got to. He was like I don't know how the deliverance came, I can't remember how, how it came about, but now he's an adamant against scientology guy. He's like talking against it as much as he can and the scientology churches come after him multiple times.

Speaker 1: 42:53

Geez so this might this might not be 100% accurate to everybody or 100% applicable to everybody who's gotten out of Scientology, no, but I feel like the problem with the people who get out of Scientology they don't do it because they found Christ. They got it out because they got to get out and now they have no faith in any kind of religion. Yeah, yeah, which is really sad, and it just kind of shows how damaging something like Scientology actually is. It creates a bad image for Christianity, for the religion that works, yeah, and anybody who is stuck in it. You know it's ruined them for life Because, even though they might have got out of Scientology, they don't have a afterlife future because they're not accepting Christ.

Speaker 2: 43:42

Yeah, I'd also like to note that so like to progress through the different levels, you have to undergo sessions of auditing, right, but it's not like a hey, do this and then you move on to the next thing. Hey, do this, move on to the next thing. You undergo a session and whenever your auditor says you're free from whatever it is, then you get to move on to the clear and move into the next level. So it's not even—.

Speaker 1: 44:13

So they're not auditing you for your spiritual benefit. They're auditing to see how much money they can get out of you.

Speaker 2: 44:23

Yeah, you don't get to get into the clear stage which leads you into the operating Thetan stage. You don't get to get there until an auditor has decided that you're ready.

Speaker 1: 44:35

Which equals how much money you give. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 44:40

Because each session costs money, right.

Speaker 1: 44:45

Oh, you were doing so good, but I just feel like you aren't ready.

Speaker 2: 44:52

Cha-ching cha-ching, which I would like to acknowledge, that scientology I think can kind of be.

Speaker 1: 45:00

I think people think that it's pretty big, yeah, but worldwide roughly it's in like the 20 to 30 000 people I think probably at its peak when it was huge before it, didn't it huge before it got out how wacky it actually is? Yeah, I think that their numbers were significantly higher, Sure, but whenever the truth was coming out about how they were operating and how problematic they were like putting people in danger and kind of torturing them in these camps that they were putting people in I think once that knowledge got out their numbers probably dwindled fairly quickly.

Speaker 2: 45:39

Yeah, but it's just crazy, dude, some of the stuff that they get into or they're mixed up in, like it's so obvious that it's such a money grab. Yeah, like I was telling you about Operation Snow White, yeah, Okay, are you ready for me to?

Speaker 1: 45:56

Which is what me and Ashley called us purposefully not going to see the new Snow White movie.

Speaker 2: 46:03

Okay, side note on that Peter Dinklage is getting so much flack I know From everyone because he was like don't go, don't support a movie that is going to cast little people only in dwarf as dwarves. But he's like done several movies as a dwarf, right, and then all the other little people are like well, we want to get roles. Like, why are you taking roles away from right?

Speaker 1: 46:30

so, yes, it's funny because, like even in the movie where he is still playing himself, but he's giant he's still referenced as a dwarf in that movie.

Speaker 2: 46:43

Which movie was it?

Speaker 1: 46:45

Infinity War.

Speaker 2: 46:46

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 46:48

I forgot he was larger, but he was still like oh, we got to go see the dwarf and he's massive but he's still a dwarf, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:54

That's funny, I forgot about it. I forgot he was in that. Yeah, okay, good movie, good movie. So for Scientology Operation Snow White, and please guys go look this up, because For defense, not for knowledge.

Speaker 2: 47:08

Oh no, it doesn't matter where you're going from. This will shine some serious light on what Scientology is. But Operation Snow White is the Guardian or the GOO, which is the Guardian's Office. It's an organization established by Scientology in 1966. So the GO infiltrated the IRS and numerous other government departments and stole tens of thousands of documents pertaining to the Scientology organization, politicians and celebrities. In July 1977, the FBI raided Church of Scientology premises in Washington DC and Los Angeles, revealing the extent of the GO's infiltration into government departments and other groups. Eleven officials and agents of the church were indicted in December 1979. They were sentenced to between four and five years each and individually fined $10,000, the equivalent to $43,000 in 2024. Among those found guilty was Hubbard's then wife, mary Sue Hubbard. Public revelation of the GO's activities brought widespread condemnation of Scientology organization. So there you go. That was the turning point. So Operation Snow White was. The goal was to try and hide what they were doing from the government by stealing documentation about individuals within Scientology.

Speaker 2: 48:46

And in the process they put more to pin them for, like hey you performed the largest espionage operation by a private organization to the government, and I believe it wasn't even just the American government. I believe that they operated in other agencies in other countries as well.

Speaker 1: 49:19

Is Scientology worldwide or is it it's?

Speaker 2: 49:22

acknowledged as a religion in multiple countries but it is not worldwide. In fact I was listening to an interview by a guy that like kind of I guess he writes books kind of exposing different religions and cults and stuff he was talking about. Russia doesn't even allow things like Scientology and Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses into their country because historically, spies and secret operatives from other countries will use it as a cover. They'll say, oh, I'm a missionary from other countries will use it as a cover. They'll say, oh, I'm a missionary, I'm just coming in to spread whatever religion I'm a part of. And they come in and then they perform espionage in the country. So now religions like that aren't even allowed in Russia and other countries solely on that, because they assume that they're a secret operative. Is Christianity on that list? I don't think that Christianity is banned from Russia, but it is still kind of operating in the communist leaning side. So if anything, it's probably Eastern Orthodox is allowed, but most other things probably not but I mean Eastern Orthodox is Christian.

Speaker 2: 50:45

We kind of touched on it a little bit. We focused on Catholicism last week or Roman Catholicism, but Eastern Orthodoxy is another one of those really big old churches. They've got cathedrals in Russia in several places, so historically they've been in Russia for a long time.

Speaker 1: 51:05

So, yeah, so when I have kids, that's what we're going to call me Me and Ashley are going to call the hiding of Christmas presents operation snow white. You know, just making sure that we're hiding all the evidence, yeah, that's good for christmas, and just they're not going to know. You know what are y'all doing? Operation snow white, yeah that's funny.

Speaker 2: 51:29

And then another thing we talked about was the sea organization under the scientology. So scientology has a bunch of different organizations under the Scientology organization Under the Scientology umbrella. Yes, but it's called the Scientology organization and then it's got other things like the Guardian's Office organization or the, so they have the Church of Scientology and then the.

Speaker 1: 51:58

what you said.

Speaker 2: 52:00

Yeah, yeah, and then different sub-things. So there's one called Sea Organization or Sea Org and it's their own, private, essentially military, or they called it a Navy different members like it's. It has a membership inside of it. So you have to reach a certain class level in scientology to be able to be eligible for c org and they treat it like a military. So there's different ranks and stuff inside it. The number one, the, I guess, over all Scientology, but specifically the Sea Org, is David Miscavige I don't know how to pronounce his last name.

Speaker 1: 52:51

It's okay. If you listened to last week's episode, I couldn't say Protestants, protestants, yeah, yeah, see, I still can't do it.

Speaker 2: 52:57

Yeah, yeah, see, I still can't do it. Yeah, but when Hubbard passed, I guess they don't acknowledge that he passed, when he liberated, or whatever they call him.

Speaker 1: 53:06

Of course, because he's their quote-unquote Messiah, he didn't die, he's coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he resurrected.

Speaker 2: 53:14

Yeah, yeah, but right now it's. David is the leader of the church, but his rank inside Sea Org is captain, because the highest rank that can be obtained in Sea Org is Commodore, and they're reserving that for when Hubbard returns, so that Hubbard can reclaim his position.

Speaker 1: 53:34

So it's just what if he OK, let's say hypothetically, this is real, which is not he comes back? He's like I don't even like boats.

Speaker 2: 53:43

Yeah, that'd be funny. Actually he does, because he created Sea Org as his own private navy, Okay so this was created before he died.

Speaker 1: 53:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So do you want to talk about the famous people that are in Scientology? Let's do it. Want to talk about the famous people that are in Scientology? Let's do it. So I have a list of them, but I'm going to name off just the three that I recognize.

Speaker 1: 54:08

And then if you want to look at the others, we can, okay, but we have. We'll go down from least famous to most famous on my three list. Three person list Okay, do you know who Dannyy masterson is? That sounds familiar. He is hide on that 70 show. Oh, he was also on like that show, the ranch, I believe yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:31

So he's a part of scientology great yeah, until he got arrested for.

Speaker 1: 54:38

Oh yeah, terrible crimes that we won't talk about, yeah yeah. Number two on my list, counting down from three to one, john Travolta, is a Scientologist. Oh, john Travolta. John, I wish you had a sound bite. It's just like got to give it up. Give up Scientology now.

Speaker 2: 55:01

Yeah, I don't have anything close, all I've got is this?

Speaker 1: 55:06

Here's Johnny. Oh, because his name's John. Doesn't your mother-in-law love John Travolta, or she loves Grease?

Speaker 2: 55:20

Yeah, I think it's more of she enjoys Grease and that John Travolta was in, that she doesn't get into the niche of where the people stand today. Yeah, she's caught in the nostalgia of the past.

Speaker 1: 55:35

Gotcha, I feel that, I feel that, yeah, she does like John. Travolta yeah she does like John Travolta. Yeah, she does like John Travolta.

Speaker 2: 55:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:41

Do you want to talk about number one? Who do you think number one is on this list? Well, on my three-tier list of counting down three, two, one.

Speaker 2: 55:50

I feel like I could be wrong now, but I feel like it's Tom Cruise. It's Tom Cruise, okay.

Speaker 1: 55:55

All right, so Mr Impossible himself, mr Impossible, I think that he is the largest advocate for them. Yeah, and it's like they have to get famous people, because that's where the money's at.

Speaker 2: 56:12

Yeah, he is a pretty big name.

Speaker 1: 56:16

He is a big name, his height of insanity. I think it's gotten better, but that do you remember? Like I think they made fun of it on scary movie. One of the scary movies but it was john travolta was on oprah freaking out about scientology and jumping on the couch and getting super excited. Yeah, yeah, and they parodied on like scary movie four, I think, or something like that.

Speaker 1: 56:38

But yes, yes but but that's part of that. She's like so, tell us about Scientology. And he's like going berserk, jumping on the couch, getting super excited about it, I guess because he was trained to do so. You know like you got to promote it. You're our big face of the religion, you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 2: 56:58

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:00

But you know, yeah, I don't agree with it, but I will go see Mission Impossible, whatever the Dead Reckoning Part 2 or whatever it's called. Whose movie is that what, the new Mission Impossible on our list? Oh, I think it's Ashley's right? Yeah, I think Ashley got it, it's not mine, so we won't go see it.

Speaker 2: 57:19

According to this AI search, Tom Cruise is a Thetan level 8 or an OT level 8.

Speaker 1: 57:31

Jeez, I guess he's not rich enough to get up to 15.

Speaker 2: 57:35

Well, I think that that's the highest operating tier. I don't think anybody's that high yet. What Is?

Speaker 1: 57:40

the idea oh, they've come up with the tiers, but no one's ever reached it.

Speaker 2: 57:46

There's a very tight niche. They get to be auditors. But as far as the overall religion, most people are operating thetans I don't think anyone has ascended to a auditor. I could be wrong, but there has to be auditors. It's the only way to level up.

Speaker 1: 58:05

You're lower level people, yeah.

Speaker 2: 58:06

With an honor. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 58:13

So do you want to make a quick little comparison here of what's wrong and what's right? Let's do it. So we're going to compare Scientology to Christianity in a quick little back and forth. So the founder of Scientology is L Ron Hubbard yes, the founder it's labeled founder but the founder of Christianity is not Jesus Christ, Not in the son form, but in the father form, I mean. I mean that is interesting, right.

Speaker 2: 58:37

Jesus did find it is the founder. Because Jesus does say to Peter I will build my church on this rock. And so yeah, jesus founds the church.

Speaker 1: 58:52

Yeah, yeah, okay, but here's the deal, people.

Speaker 2: 58:55

We get into the triune God niche a little too much. We get into the triune God niche a little too much, like to say Christ does. It does not exclude God, the Father, from doing it. I see, like the only exclusion is the crucifixion, because Christ lays down his deification to become the epitome of sin on the cross for us. Okay, to become the epitome of sin on the cross for us, but when it comes to the operation of all things and the fulfillment of all things, it is the Father, son and Spirit operating as a triune God to fulfill what they have ordained will happen. So, yes, god the Father, god the Son and God the Spirit all founded the church. So yeah, you don't need to exclude one or the other. Okay, cool, it is my opinion, so I'd love to hear other people try to prove me wrong.

Speaker 1: 59:52

In the comments section below In the comments section.

Speaker 2: 59:54

Yeah, it's Ashley. Ashley has Missions Impossible the Final Reckoning.

Speaker 1: 59:58

Okay, it's her movie. For the movie draft. If you don't know what we're talking about, we did a movie draft as a bonus episode. Go back and watch that or listen to that.

Speaker 2: 1:00:06

I'm slaughtering you guys. Okay, hold on, I'm not going to give the update, I'm just letting you know I'm slaughtering you.

Speaker 1: 1:00:14

Tune in next week for the official update.

Speaker 2: 1:00:17

Yes, Tune in next week for the official update Episode 38. Episode 38. You will hear where we all stand officially, officially.

Speaker 1: 1:00:26

So the view of God in Scientology is abstract or impersonal and on Christianity, it's a personal, loving triune. God, the human nature, thetans trapped by trauma and then, for us in Christianity, created in God's image, fallen by sin. Yes, yes, yes. Salvation for them is earned through auditing and knowledge. For us, it's a gift from God through grace and faith, by grace, through faith. Yes, their scripture is Dianetics Diacrapis.

Speaker 2: 1:01:05

Diapupis, diapupis, boom got them, mm-hmm. And then that's it.

Speaker 1: 1:01:14

I punched them one time. It's over Episode's over. Scientology is dead. No, our scripture is the Holy Bible.

Speaker 2: 1:01:22

Yes, the Holy Word of God.

Speaker 1: 1:01:24

Written by multiple people inspired by God. Yes, not some science fiction novel written by some crazy guy in the 50s.

Speaker 2: 1:01:33

Yes, the Protestants have the 66 books written by multiple authors over several hundred years, in three different languages, and it all comes together and agrees on a singular story, which is the story of redemption of mankind. So the reason I point out specifically Protestant is because the Roman Catholic Bible does have a couple extra things in there, but the Protestant Bible does not hold to, does not have the Apocrypha within its scripture, which is what the Catholic Bible has Right.

Speaker 1: 1:02:09

So their access to the truth of their religion is hidden, is costly and it's restricted. For us, christianity is freely available to all.

Speaker 2: 1:02:27

That was just for Janelle right there.

Speaker 1: 1:02:29

There you go, janelle, that was free, available to all.

Speaker 2: 1:02:35

Hey Charlie.

Speaker 1: 1:02:38

Oh no, Keep pressing it, Keep pressing it. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Charlie, oh no, Keep pressing it, Keep pressing it. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Charlie, Charlie. So you know like we're going to kind of start winding down here at the end of the episode. But you know guys, salvation is free.

Speaker 2: 1:02:57

The price has already been paid. Salvation is free, the price has already been paid. So you know we use the term free a lot in Protestant, in the Protestant sect. But that's just because it's an easy delivery system. It's not free, it's just the price has already been paid by Christ. So it's free for you. But God paid the price Right.

Speaker 2: 1:03:22

It's not that salvation is free in general, like it's not a free thing to have. Someone has to pay for it. Salvation is free for you now. Yes, it has been made available to you without any work or payment for it, by the work of God, and that's why it's such an important thing to understand that it's only by God's grace, through your faith, that you're saved. It doesn't work any other way. Like we were talking about earlier in Ephesians, god doesn't want you to boast. He wants you to celebrate in the fact that you're free now, but he doesn't want you to think that you can boast in the fact that you earned your salvation. So it's intentionally set up to where you can only receive the completed work in Christ through faith. And yes, it is free in the sense of that that the price has already been paid on your behalf, that the price has already been paid on your behalf.

Speaker 1: 1:04:21

Ephesians 2, verses 8 and 9 say For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift of.

Speaker 2: 1:04:33

God.

Speaker 1: 1:04:35

Yeah, that was the verse I used earlier. Here we are reiterating it because it is.

Speaker 2: 1:04:38

I mean it explains so well what salvation is. It is an act of grace that is received by faith, so that you may not boast in anything but just rejoice in the fact that you've been saved.

Speaker 1: 1:04:57

God is knowable. God is knowable, yeah. Unlike Scientology's vague spiritualism, christianity teaches that God is personal and desires a relationship with us.

Speaker 2: 1:05:09

Yeah which I'd like to acknowledge that Scientology's elevator pitch is hey, you don't have to get stuck in the dogmatic religions of faith based whatever. You can practice the different steps of Scientology that are attainable to you through action and see how they work for your benefit yourself. You don't have to just live out random things by faith and trust that hopefully it'll work out. That's what they're pitching to you is, hey, you will attain what you're looking for through Scientology by completing the different steps. That's the pitch, which sounds very enticing. You know, like I don't have to. I don't have to just trust that it's going to work out. I can actually tangibly achieve. It Sounds great, Right? The reality is you can become Tom Cruise and spend thousands, tens of thousands of dollars to become a level eight operating thetan and not even reach auditor, Right.

Speaker 1: 1:06:12

And you are practically the face of this religion at this point, and you're not even one of the highest levels, exactly Because you have, as Tom cruz, have not given enough yeah, the auditor has decided that you have not gone through enough sessions to be clear, right or no?

Speaker 2: 1:06:28

no, no, you are clear because you're an operating right. Sorry, I'm lost in all the it's.

Speaker 1: 1:06:33

So it's so it's too much, it's like it's not. It's that all I can say. And to close, my three points out Jesus Christ is not a forgotten figure. He is the son of God, the only path to salvation.

Speaker 2: 1:06:52

Amen. I agree with that 100%.

Speaker 1: 1:06:55

There you go. We haven't said that in a while, 100% 100%. So yeah, that's the poopology, bill Nye, the Science.

Speaker 2: 1:07:06

Guy, that's what it is. I don't know if Bill Nye is actually affiliated with Scientology. Just so we're clear.

Speaker 1: 1:07:14

It's so funny because it's supposedly based in science, but it's not in any way shape or form, not remotely people. People assume that scientology is like a science religion.

Speaker 2: 1:07:26

Yeah, because it's in the name, but it's really not no, I think hubbard claims that he found this process and everything that he put together through observation and experimentation. I, I think, is his claims. Whether or not he actually did that is up in the air, or I think some people have disproved it or whatever, through analysis. But the point is, is it sounds very official? Scientology sounds very put together, yeah, fact based. But it's not. It's. It's just, it's too much stuff all over the place to make you think like hey, all these things mean something and the only way to figure out what they mean is by getting to the next level and really none.

Speaker 2: 1:08:12

Of it means anything no, it doesn't, it means nothing it means that, that you're stuck in a cult. You're going to keep on saying this is the last Mission Impossible for the rest of your life.

Speaker 1: 1:08:25

Yeah, I mean, that is a great, great comparison. You keep saying this is the last one, this is the last one and we'll get that big, satisfying ending.

Speaker 2: 1:08:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:08:34

And you'll never get it, and you'll never get it, and you'll never get it. So thank you everybody for joining us on this really great episode 37 of the Saints that Serve podcast.

Speaker 2: 1:08:46

Yes, and if you want to hear our opinion on any other cult?

Speaker 1: 1:08:53

let us know yeah, tune in next week. We got another one coming.

Speaker 2: 1:08:57

We got another one in the chamber. Right Chamber, another one in the we're going to shoot you with in the, we're going to shoot you with another cult, we're going to shoot you with another cult Jeez.

Speaker 1: 1:09:09

Oh man, we got to stop. We got to stop. Oh boy, All right. So Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now. We are the Saints that Serve. Do you want a sailboat? Do I want a sailboat? I want a sailboat, 19 foot sailboat, 1980s. How much do you think it's worth? Is this a fume, a secret fume at the end of the episode? Sure, yeah, okay, uh, do you?

Speaker 1: 1:09:51

think a 19 foot sailboat is on facebook marketplace would I be going clear if I, if I bought this boat? Would you be going clear? Yeah, what does clear mean? It's that one of the tiers of scientology. Oh, oh, would you be? Uh, would I be able to go clear with this money?

Speaker 2: 1:10:07

yes, yeah, okay, twenty thousand dollars free this boat is christianity, ain't no Scientology sailboat. But I do need you to know. There is no trailer. No-transcript.