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Welcome to the Saints that Serve, podcast where, each week, your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith, culture and the unknown.

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Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now. We are the Saints that Serve, and welcome to the Saints that Serve. Podcast with your hosts I'm Johnny and I'm Jairus, and that is the Saints that Serve. Podcast with your hosts I'm Johnny and I'm Jairus, and that is the Saints.

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That Serve podcast and we're so excited because yesterday we celebrated Christ's resurrection baby.

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Today is a very lovely Monday and yesterday was an incredibly beautiful Easter Sunday.

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That's right. And yesterday was an incredibly beautiful Easter Sunday, that's right. And for all those who are Christians, it is kind of the biggest deal. Biggest deal because without Christ dying and rising from the dead, we don't have anything.

Speaker 1: 1:18

Which we brought that up being the biggest deal. Yep, in our bonus episode. Yeah, which is less of a bonus episode and more of a prequel. Prequel introduction to this episode that's right.

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We did a good friday bonus content episode and obviously, if you're here listening to this, then you'll be able to find that one pretty easy. That's right. So I would say that, without further to do Further ado, let's do, do, do, do this. So, tyler, this is your transition into a little segment that we felt obligated to do. It's called let me apologize. So I need to apologize. I understand that your hands are your sense of touch and sometimes there are things that you touch and they catch you off guard and it can mess with your psyche and it can scar you for years. And so, for everyone who's ever accidentally put their fingers underneath the table and there was a wet, sticky piece of gum under there and you got it all over your finger and it pulled out when you pulled your hand out from underneath the table, I apologize for putting the gum there.

Speaker 1: 2:44

That was totally immature of me All 300 little pieces of gum. That's under that table All of them?

Speaker 2: 2:52

Well, the wet, sticky one, all the dry ones. I have no sympathy for you. If you somehow got a dry piece of gum to stick to your fingers, where you pull it out from underneath the table, that is your problem. But if it's a wet, sticky piece that pulls out when you pull your hand out, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 3:14

What's crazy is because it's wet and sticky, it's fresh, which means you just sat in a seat that the famous Johnny just sat in.

Speaker 2: 3:22

Yep, or you forgot that you stuck your gum underneath, and if that's the case, then I apologize for your incompetence. But seriously, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 3:34

Hey guys, it's my turn. This one's for real, it is. It's for real, okay, all right. Hey guys, it is, it's for real, okay, all right. Hey guys, I know that you were sitting here listening to episode 31 of the saints to serve podcast and you're really into the episode and really digging the conversation about nintendo and just this video games of your childhood and the nostalgia of it. And I know, as I was going through the history of Nintendo, we got to starting to talk about Japanese gambling machines and I know that we started talking about a very specific gambling machine in Japan and I know that I called it Plinko and I'm sorry it's called Plachinko. Plachinko, yeah, wow, yeah, I called it. Plinko is Plachinko, which, in my defense, sounds very similar.

Speaker 2: 4:42

Plachinko, plinko, plinkinko, plinko, plinko, plachinko. Yeah, I don't know. It sounds like it's an Italian guy having a really hard time trying to explain something to you.

Speaker 1: 4:55

It just sounds like your grandpa trying to tell you something very simple.

Speaker 2: 5:00

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 5:00

Like just a brand and you just can't get it right. Yeah, it's like Something like the Plachinko, Pachinko, planko, danko, danko, danko, danko. Grandpa, it's a burger.

Speaker 2: 5:15

It's called a McDouble. Not a Pachinko Go-Go Not a Pachinko, or a Pachinko or a Planko, it's a Mc Double.

Speaker 1: 5:28

Are you in the Mc or Mac family of Donalds? I think I say.

Speaker 2: 5:33

McDonald's. What's wrong with you? I don't know, maybe because it's not M-A-C, it's M-C. Well, let me ask you this.

Speaker 1: 5:42

Let me ask you this You've been ou MC. Well, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this You've been ousted. No, let me ask you this Okay, when you get their ice cream treat, that is a blend of ice cream and Oreos, what is that? I don't know, I don't get that. You don't know what a McFlurry is. A McFlurry, it's not a McFlurry. It's a McFlurry, it's not a McFlurry.

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It's a McFlurry. No, it's definitely a.

Speaker 1: 6:04

McFlurry. All right, let me ask you this their famous burger, is that a? Do you order a Big Mc?

Speaker 2: 6:14

That's true. I don't order a Big Mc, it's a Big Mac, oh wow.

Speaker 1: 6:18

Look at that, it is a Big Mac. All right, and my last one.

Speaker 2: 6:26

Or is it? Have we all been led astray? Is it on the menu as a Big Mac? Is it M-A-C?

Speaker 1: 6:30

or is it M-C? It's M-C pronounced Mac. So here we go. One last one. This is the big one. Okay, do you know the name of the mascot that they had that was meant to appeal to adults for McDonald's? He was a moon with sunglasses and he played cool jazz on a piano. Wait, and he was supposed to appeal to who the adults Like? Mcdonald's is not just a fast food joint, it's a cool, hip place for teens and adults to be at. This was something like a weird push campaign that they had for McDonald's in the 90s and it was like a mascot that they had. You know what his name was?

Speaker 2: 7:11

Let's go ahead and lay in this plane.

Speaker 1: 7:12

I don't know who it was. What's his name? Mac Tonight, mac Tonight, mac Tonight. All right, did you want to go get some McDonald's?

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tonight, all right. Well, let us know in the comments, you guys. Is it Mick or is it Mac? I think I'm going to start calling it a Big Mick now.

Speaker 1: 7:33

Big Mick. Oh man, you will get punched in the face so quick.

Speaker 2: 7:37

No, not if I do it in the drive-thru.

Speaker 1: 7:40

You'll get your drink thrown at you. So quick.

Speaker 2: 7:43

Yes, I'd like to order a Big Bic.

Speaker 1: 7:46

Okay, there you go. I'm sure you've seen them. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, that's Mac Tonight. Yeah, yeah, mac.

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Tonight. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that's so weird. Okay, well, there you go. That was our weird let me apologize segment that led into McDonald's.

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You said McDonald's, did I say McDonald's. You did say McDonald's. You just said McDonald's. I said McDonald's, mcdonald's, mcdonald's.

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There you go. Now you're saying it right again McDonald's.

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Alright, so yeah, in the comments let us know is it Mick or Mac.

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What is going on here?

Speaker 1: 8:21

MC for Mick and MAC for Mac. Is it Irish or is it Scottish? There you go, there we go, but you know who wasn't Irish or Scottish? Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior Jesus.

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Christ, that's right.

Speaker 1: 8:35

Hey, Tyler, this is your transition into the main topic, which is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Why did you say that Easter Easter, yes? Why did you say that Easter Easter, yes? Why did you say that, like you were introducing, like a movie Coming this October, coming to theaters near you the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Savior, Starring.

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Starring Our Lord and Savior Starring. Starring Nicholas Cage as Jesus Christ oh my gosh With his disciples Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Also starred by Nicholas Cage. Luke is not one of Jesus' disciples and neither is Mark.

Speaker 1: 9:26

Just so we're clear. It was just just so we're clear. It was just going into the bit. It was just going into the bit. Is this going to be like another Nutty, professor or Norbit situation with, you know, eddie Murphy playing all the characters, nicholas Cage playing all the characters?

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with your favorite, nicolas Cage, as Pontius Pilate.

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I washed my hands of this.

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I've written what I have written.

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Anyways, and playing the wife of Pontius Pilate, nicolas Cage, I had a dream.

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I had a dream.

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Have nothing to do with this man.

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You gotta do a have nothing to do with this man. You got to do a have nothing to do with this man. I can't actually do a Nicolas Cage.

Speaker 1: 10:31

Hey, I think our funny joke point got across. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:35

What we're saying is we would not be surprised if Nicolas Cage did an Easter Sunday movie and he did all the parts for it.

Speaker 1: 10:44

If I was really great at editing video, I'd throw in some AI, just AI, nicolas Cage, all these characters.

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There you go. Maybe one day we'll get there.

Speaker 1: 10:56

But on the serious topic, now that the jokes are out of the way, we got to get all the really dumb jokes out of the way, because this is very serious, yes, like all joking aside.

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Well, and you know I mean you can have fun as Christians but this is a joyful moment and you need to understand why it's joyful, correct. So in our bonus we talked about how Christ died. He was crucified and he really did die, and there's documentation of that, not only from the historical biblical texts, but there's some Roman historical stuff that goes in there as well. Now I'm on the spot again. But you know, the historical biblical text is good enough. I mean, it's documented by eyewitnesses, so that's enough by eyewitnesses.

Speaker 1: 11:44

So that's enough. What's crazy is people put more faith into things that have less evidence in them as well.

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Yeah, like you guys didn't even know that it was pronounced Plotchenko, right, but you believed me guys, you believed him. Yeah, so you know. We talked about how there's Old Testament prophecy and it's fulfilled, and there's no way that Christ could have orchestrated it the way that he did without this story being true that he is God, fully God, fully man, and he fully died and fully rose again from the grave and paid the price for our sin and brought redemption and eternity for all who would believe. I referenced that there was a verse in Hebrews that's talking about how Christ is the final fulfillment for all sin. He's the final, perfect sacrifice that atones all sin, and you can read that in Hebrews, chapter 10. I'm just going to read verse 10. I think this is the right one. I'll go and read 9 and 10.

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Then he added behold, I have come to do your will. He does away with the first in order to establish the second, talking about sacrificial system. And by that will, we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Yeah, and then verse 11, and every priest stands daily at his service offering repeatedly the same sacrifice, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins. He sat down at the right hand of God. So there you go. That's verses nine through 12 in Hebrews.

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Chapter 10 talks about the sacrificial system is repeatedly going on and it's not fully atoning because everyone has to keep coming back and making more sacrifices, whereas Christ brings the new. He does away with the old and brings the new sacrificial system, which is one sacrifice that atones for all sin. And when Christ completed that work, he sits at the right hand of the Father and acts as intercessor for all those who would believe. So there you go. That was the reference. I promised to get it to you guys, and here I am. You only had to wait three days for it.

Speaker 1: 14:18

Yeah, you only had to wait Friday, saturday, sunday, monday, three days, you don't count the day that it was on when you promised it. So then it'll be Saturday, sunday, so three days either way. Yeah, you remember, when I said three days, you just messed me up because you included Friday.

Speaker 2: 14:36

Right, I said but you don't count Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Which of those are you not counting? Monday or Friday Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1: 14:46

It's three days, okay. So, speaking of Friday, we had our bonus episode. While we left off on that, we talked about Good Friday, yes, and the importance of that, and you know that being the day that Christians remember the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. Yep, you know the significance of that and something cool is that you know, despite its darkness, it is good. It represents God's redemptive love in the beginning of victory over sin and death. That's right, yep. Left you on a little bit of a cliffhanger there, but you know we're going to continue from that point.

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Yeah, so we kind of talked about. You brought up a good point of like the week. What did the week look like leading up to Easter Sunday? Do you want to go ahead and get into that now? Yeah, we can do that, just talking through the week. Yeah, so it kind of traditionally okay. So, depending on where you fall, it can start sooner than this fall, it can start sooner than this. But most Protestants we acknowledge what we call Palm Sunday, which is the Sunday before Easter, and that's when Christ enters into Jerusalem riding on a donkey's colt and people come out and they shout Hosanna and they lay out their coats and they lay down palm branches. Hence the name. Yeah, palm Sunday. Yeah, on the road before him as he enters into the city.

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And him doing that. That fulfills a prophecy correct?

Speaker 2: 16:16

Yes, he will come riding on a donkey's colt.

Speaker 1: 16:20

And it was a donkey that was never ridden on before right.

Speaker 2: 16:23

Yep, yep. And interestingly, I think it's in the Gospel of Luke. The first thing that happens when Jesus enters the city is he weeps for the city Because he knows the destruction that's coming to Jerusalem, which happens in 70 AD. Jesus predicts the fall of Jerusalem and the fall of the temple, and the temple has never been rebuilt since 70 ad, so it has been destroyed for coming up on 2 000 years. Crazy, but it's because we don't need it anymore, right? God doesn't rest. His presence doesn't rest on the ark, the holy seat on top of the ark, in the most holy place in the temple. The spirit of the Lord rests in the hearts of those who believe. So there you go.

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So you know he came in on Palm Sunday, like you said, yep. Then on Monday he went in there and he threw some old money changers from the temple.

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Yeah, and I think that this happens more than once. Like I think Jesus drives people out of the temple more than once. I could be wrong, Don't quote me on that. I feel like I was reading about that where some people because there's different, like you know, the different gospels bring up that account where Jesus drives people out of the temple for selling you know the money changers and for selling things, but it's worded, it's a little different in different gospels and so some people say that it's potentially he does that more than once, but I'm not going to say that's for sure. I could be wrong on that, but yes, he does.

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And he because his famous line my house will be called a house of prayer. Yes, the whole point of the temple was not for man to go into debt to be able to be in the presence of God or to offer sacrifices to God. It was for them to be in communion with God.

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Something else he did he healed the blind and the lame, upsetting the religious leaders there.

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Yeah, which I believe, when he does the money changer thing. I think that was kind of the tipping point where they're like, okay, we need to kill this guy, yeah. And that's when they start kind of like, okay, how do we get him? He heals the blind and the lame. Is that what you said?

Speaker 1: 18:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, not like stupid or not lame, like somebody who can't walk.

Speaker 2: 18:54

Not like an idiot, but like someone who physically can't move.

Speaker 1: 18:57

What a lame loser.

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Yes, yeah, he performs miracles in Jerusalem, and it's important that Jerusalem is going to be pretty crowded because they're coming up on Passover, which happens to fall on a high holy day, which is on Sabbath. So Passover is happening on a Sabbath day, so does Passover change.

Speaker 1: 19:26

What am I trying to say?

Speaker 2: 19:28

Some holidays fall on different days, like Christmas, like not Because Christmas falls on a different day each year.

Speaker 1: 19:34

Right, and Easter changes its day to align to the specific Sunday. Yeah, so is it that it changes. It could fall on a different day every year, or always falls on a specific day, I believe it always falls on a you know what.

Speaker 2: 19:50

I don't have an answer for that.

Speaker 2: 19:52

I don't know if it falls on the specific day, because it's supposed to fall on the day they're doing the remembrance of deliverance from Egypt. So I think it does fall on a specific date and this time, when Jesus is crucified, happens to be when it's also a Sabbath. I believe that's how it works. I don't think the Passover is celebrated every single year. It's celebrated on a Sunday. I just think that when Christ is crucified and rose again from the grave, it coincides with the Sabbath. I think, I think. But I think Easter.

Speaker 1: 20:34

I think they change Easter to match up with the changing of the season, or it's supposed to line up with the very specific day that Jesus rose. What Falling on a Sunday? Because Christmas doesn't fall on the same day, like it's a different day every year, but we adjust it to fall on a very specific Sunday.

Speaker 2: 20:54

No, because sometimes we'll have Easter at the end of March and here we are, we're getting towards the later end of April. I think it has to do with when the official like there's a changing of the season and so Easter falls on that time, gotcha, I think. So, I didn't actually look that part up. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 21:18

I'll trust you until somebody in the comments tells me that you're wrong.

Speaker 2: 21:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:22

Until one person tells me you're wrong. All right, so everybody make sure in the comments you say hey, jairus john is wrong yeah, make me wrong.

Speaker 2: 21:31

Guys, make him wrong, I'm gonna I'm gonna look it up.

Speaker 1: 21:36

yeah, so while you look it up, on tuesday jesus is teaching parables, debates religious leaders and warns of end times there, there, in the place he was warning them at. It doesn't actually say where he was doing it at. He emphasizes love, humility and readiness for his return.

Speaker 2: 21:55

Okay.

Speaker 1: 21:56

He redeems hypocrisy.

Speaker 2: 21:59

Is this all happening on one day, or are you?

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This is what my notes say. Okay, when I did my research, this all happened on tuesday. Because you know, wednesday is when it really kicks off. Would you like to tell everybody what happened on wednesday? I don't know it's the day that judas starts to make dealings for betraying.

Speaker 2: 22:24

Jesus, okay Because, oh, okay. Okay when he starts making a plan, yeah, not when he goes.

Speaker 1: 22:31

I'm sure he was planning it for a while, but that's when he starts the actual.

Speaker 2: 22:35

Well, the way that the Bible words it is, he decides to betray him. After the foot wash he gets anointed with oil. He gets anointed with oil, that's when he, that's when it's like okay, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna betray him. Uh, because he was upset about jesus, like letting this lady pour this expensive oil on anointing him with this oil. And he his argument was we could have bought food for weeks for the poor with that money. And jesus is like you'll'll always have the poor, but I won't always be with you. And in there I can't remember which gospel it is, but they're like he didn't actually, judas didn't actually care about the poor because he was robbing from the communal purse anyways.

Speaker 1: 23:16

He was a thief. He was probably more upset that this stuff he couldn't get it.

Speaker 2: 23:20

He couldn't get it benefit from it? Yeah, and so, because of that, he decides to betray Jesus.

Speaker 1: 23:26

Which is crazy because you're saying that in that moment. He's saying I won't always be here with you, telling that to Judas, the one who betrays him and initiates the start of him not being there with him. So that's crazy.

Speaker 2: 23:43

Yeah, it is quite insane.

Speaker 1: 23:47

So Thursday is all.

Speaker 2: 23:51

What's it called? What do we call it All Thursday?

Speaker 1: 23:55

On here it says Ma I don't know how to pronounce it Maundy Thursday.

Speaker 2: 23:59

Maundy Thursday yeah, maundy Thursday which is weird because it sounds like Monday Thursday. Yeah, Monday Thursday.

Speaker 1: 24:05

Which is weird because it sounds like Monday, thursday, and that is where Jesus you know. Last supper I was about to say he has a little meal with his buddies, and not McDonald's, not McDonald's bread and wine. Yeah, I'm sure they ate more than bread and wine.

Speaker 2: 24:22

Well, there was a similar to the Passover meal.

Speaker 2: 24:27

Like there was a celebratory meal and there was like throughout the meal and all my like hardcore remembrance of the Passover Christians call me out on this but there's like four glasses of wine throughout the night and they symbolized different things, but then the final glass was like this is the blood that we put on the doorposts to, for this is the point where we do our remembrance of you know, being passed over or whatever.

Speaker 2: 25:03

And Jesus takes that cup and says this is my blood poured out for you. So whenever you gather and do this, do it in remembrance of me. So yeah, he kind of changes that because for hundreds of years the Jews have always been doing. We're celebrating the remembrance of being delivered from slavery and bondage in Egypt by doing the Passover dinner and festival and everything. And Jesus is with his disciples saying from this point forward, when you do this, do it in remembrance of me, because I am now going to be the Passover lamb and my blood is going to be poured out for you so that the wrath of God will pass over you and it will fall on me.

Speaker 1: 25:50

So that night, you know, they have the dinner Din din they also. Well, not they. Jesus washes their feet. Yes, he does. He does a nice little model of servant leadership.

Speaker 2: 26:05

Yeah, and you know Jesus talks about. You know, because the biggest thing right now in our cult well, I don't know if I should say the biggest thing, but one of the biggest things in our culture has always been feminism, right.

Speaker 1: 26:17

In our lives.

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And so you know, everyone argues about what does it look like to be a Christian man or a Christian woman? And we all go to the verse where Paul talks about wives submit to your husbands and husbands love your wives. And he says like wives submit to your husbands as the church submits to Christ, and husbands love your wives as Christ loves the church. And here's an example of Christ's love for his church he lets them sit at table and he goes around and washes their feet for them. Sit at table and he goes around and washes their feet for them. He humbles himself. He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to humble himself, but he humbles himself to serve the ones that he loves and also them.

Speaker 1: 27:02

feet were dirty.

Speaker 2: 27:03

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:04

Walking around in dust all day, yeah, I mean they didn't have cars. I mean they had probably camels horses to ride on, but that's probably like a rich person's thing to own, right, correct. So they walked everywhere, correct. And their feet? They wore sandals, right, yes. So their feet got dirty.

Speaker 2: 27:25

Yep, and that's the thing is like feet washing was a common practice. Feet washing was a common practice, like you would come in to dine for an evening meal or whatever, and servants would walk around and wash everybody's feet. They'd come to sit to eat and lounge and eat, and here Jesus is, no one's washed anyone's feet. So Jesus, the main man, gets up and goes around the biggest deal.

Speaker 2: 27:53

The biggest deal goes around and washes all the feet of his disciples. So, yeah, it's showing his love for them and it's also a preparation. You know he's letting them know. You know you're being, I'm ceremonially cleansing you because you're about to be atoned for with my blood, right, you know. So it's another way to look at it as well.

Speaker 1: 28:13

So after that dinner they take a little walk in the park in a little garden, garden of Gethsemane, gethsemane-tham. Pew, pew, pew pew Racking, fracking, fricking Judas. That is a Looney Tunes reference everybody. For those who didn't know, boys have been watching Looney Tunes reference everybody.

Speaker 2: 28:31

For those who didn't know? Boys have been watching Looney Tunes back in action.

Speaker 1: 28:35

Oh yeah, yeah, I think it's funny. You know what's crazy? That's the one Looney Tunes movie I've never seen.

Speaker 2: 28:41

Why do I have a knack for finding all these movies that you have never seen?

Speaker 1: 28:46

I don't know. It's like one of those weird transitions in my life where I think that came out when I was like maybe 15, 16. Yeah, and so I was like it wasn't in my circulation, yeah, but you know I need to watch it. I know it's good. It's Brendan Fraser, right.

Speaker 2: 29:01

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:04

Cool.

Speaker 2: 29:04

Cool. What are you watching it on? We just got it on. We bought it on Amazon Prime, gotcha Okay.

Speaker 1: 29:11

Yeah, anyways, back to Jesus. Yeah, they're in the garden, so they go and pray in the garden. Jesus tells them can you not even stay awake for an hour? Right, yeah, who was it was with them? It was Peter and James and John. I'm just wrong. What? Who are you going to say? I said Peter and somebody else, but I'm thinking peter, because he tells peter that he's going to betray him.

Speaker 2: 29:36

No, it's peter james.

Speaker 1: 29:37

Oh sorry, sorry, I thought it's two people no, it's three yeah, yeah, but he tells peter, you know earlier on that hey you, before the rooster crows.

Speaker 2: 29:44

Three times, you will deny me three times before the rooster crows you will deny me three times that's what I said you said before the rooster crows three times what you'll say no, yeah, uh, another another important thing before we get there uh, jesus sends judas out to go do, because jesus knows he's going to be betrayed by judas, and so what was it?

Speaker 1: 30:11

it was. They asked him. He was talking about somebody who's going to betray him. And they said who is it?

Speaker 2: 30:15

And he says he says one of you is a devil and they're like who is it? And he's like the one who sticks his hand in the bowl with me will betray me. And Judas does it and like to me, like, if you're getting ratted out for being a betrayer, why would you do that? But it's like it just shows how in control God is of everything that's going on.

Speaker 1: 30:39

It's just wild how, even when people try to divert from the plan, change the plan. You doing that is going to fulfill God's plan that is going to fulfill God's plan.

Speaker 2: 30:54

Yeah, I mean. Well, I think that it goes into a mystical portion of God that we just can't wrap our heads around is God works outside of our understanding. So you know, I believe in free will. You have to make a decision to believe in God. But I see man's free will does not determine how God operates.

Speaker 1: 31:18

I think that a better way to look at it is God is in control. Yes, for sure, 100%, but there is a difference in intervening and making changes and knowing what is going to happen.

Speaker 2: 31:32

Yeah, so God knows, but it's hard to, and that's the thing, that's why it's so hard. It's like how does he know? Because we just can't get in there. All we can say is that he. That's all we can just say it. But like, what does it look like? What does it look like being outside of a scenario and knowing the outcome before it even happens and using that for your ability to fulfill what you want to do?

Speaker 1: 32:00

So get a little off topic but on topic all at the same time. Did you ever watch the show Fringe? The guy who plays Boromir's father is a Fox TV show. He was like a mad scientist. It was kind of like X-Files, but like more of more modern X-Files.

Speaker 2: 32:18

Oh, I never watched it. I know what you're talking about, though.

Speaker 1: 32:20

Yeah, there is a group of people like kind of like a supernatural entity, group of like like. I think they were called like the Black Hats or something like that, they had some sort of name right, but they were just normal dudes who operated outside time, yeah. And they said how did they? Because they traveled to different points controlling sci-fi guys. Sci-fi, yeah, yeah. But they explained how do they see time, how do they conceive time? And somebody's like okay, imagine a pipe or a little tube like a straw, and you just pour water through and that's time flowing, yeah. And then he takes and puts water in the pipe, holds it on both ends and then holds it up with the water in it and it's, the time is frozen, kind of representation. They said see where you see time flowing.

Speaker 1: 33:07

They see time on all planes and aspects you can just travel there showing that the water was frozen instead of flowing, and after that I've always pictured that's how God sees it is. At any point, you can choose beginning to end and see where and what is going on in that timeframe.

Speaker 2: 33:28

Yeah, and I mean I'm not trying to say like there's no way we could ever articulate it. Obviously we can articulate it.

Speaker 1: 33:35

Oh no, it's probably way more grand. That's my point, is like.

Speaker 2: 33:55

We can't comprehend it, but we could probably guess what it could be like. That, you know it's gotten to the point to where it's easier. In some scenarios it's easier to just say that there is no free will and that God has. I believe that the Bible says you have to profess that you believe in Christ. It's something that you have to do. You have to decide that. I don't think that you get, I don't think that you earn your salvation that way, or that you do some big accomplishment or whatever. But it is clear that you do have to make that decision. But regardless of what you decide, it doesn't change or alter God's plan, and so it's just really weird to put those two things together. You know it's hard to imagine it or understand it completely I guess I would say so.

Speaker 2: 34:52

But anyways, here we are with Judas. Like you know, did God harden Judas's heart and make him do what he did to fulfill, you know what, christ's accomplishment? Because if it is, then that's what Pharaoh. Because that's what God did with Pharaoh when he was bringing Israel out of Egypt and out of slavery. Every time he hardened Pharaoh's heart until they got to the final plague, and then Pharaoh finally let them go. So you know, you do see God getting in and doing things like that. Did he do that with Judas? Did he harden Judas's heart, or was Judas just always going to do that way? And regardless of him being caught, he was like, um okay, I gotta run and make this happen quick almost like, if I don't do this now, I'm not gonna get away with it.

Speaker 2: 35:45

Yeah and it's weird because in the gospels it's like they all he, it's like Jesus, like calls him out and then he gets up to leave and all the disciples are like, oh, he must be going to get something.

Speaker 1: 35:56

They're not like, oh no, Judas get back here and they never see him again. Well, actually they do. They do see him again. Anyways, yeah, Real quick on your point with Pharaoh, right? Yeah, they specifically call out that God hardens Pharaoh's heart. Yes, I feel like that if that was important for us to know, we would have been told yeah, I don't think that God hardened Judas's heart.

Speaker 2: 36:21

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, it would have been notated, mm-hmm, but we do know that he was corrupt the way that he what was that?

Speaker 1: 36:30

I was scratching my arm, oh okay, and the way that he what was that? I was scratching my arm? Oh, okay. And the way. Go ahead and tell everybody what I did.

Speaker 2: 36:36

He just had his, he stuck his arm out and just ran, ran the paper across his forearm and I was just like what is going on, reverse?

Speaker 1: 36:44

It was like a it was like a reverse.

Speaker 2: 36:46

ASMR like you were trying to get it on the mic, like and like you were trying to get it on the mic like and and here is paper running across my arm, but like that's the sound effect that they would use for a razor, like and here is a clean shave anyways, uh, back at it.

Speaker 2: 37:07

Yeah, so you know, they do make it clear that Judas did follow Christ and didn't walk away with the other 120 disciples who did when Jesus claimed to be the Messiah. That's another thing that I have a hard time with is Judas is one of the 12 up until and you know, the Bible does say that he was designated to be the one for destruction. I don't know. I mean, it does point out that he was kind of, he was a wicked guy.

Speaker 1: 37:40

Not like cool, like wicked awesome like evil guy.

Speaker 2: 37:45

He was a wretch and a devil Called out by Jesus. By Jesus, yep, which I mean. You know. Jesus calls peter satan. So that's okay. You know context, go read it, you'll figure it out all right. So they, they go to the garden. Jesus is praying, he gets on to peter, james and john for falling asleep.

Speaker 1: 38:11

He says can you not stay awake for even an hour?

Speaker 2: 38:16

And then that's how you know the food's good.

Speaker 1: 38:20

You can't even stay awake at that point. That was some good bread and wine, yeah. But you know, then leaves, goes and prays some more, comes back and then changes the time. Can you not even stay awake for 20 minutes, right? Something like that? Something like that? Yeah, does that happen? It happens like three times right, where he leaves and comes back to them and they're just like asleep. Every time I feel like.

Speaker 2: 38:44

I only remember him doing that twice. Okay, yeah, but maybe it's three.

Speaker 1: 38:51

I don't think it was three, I think it was just twice, so and I guess after the second time he's like guys, please get up, like somebody's coming.

Speaker 2: 39:00

Yeah, and it was who who showed up in the garden, judith judith the loser, and servants of the high priest and, I believe, temple guards.

Speaker 1: 39:15

So after Judas left, he went and got them, yes, and brought them to Jesus. And they said it's dark out here, how do we know which one's Jesus? He said guys, I got you, I'm going to give this man a kiss. Yeah, the one that you want.

Speaker 2: 39:31

I got you. I'm going to give this man a kiss, yeah.

Speaker 1: 39:32

The one that you want. I will kiss. Give him a greeting kiss, and he does that.

Speaker 2: 39:41

I think I've got, I think it's in Mark is where it talks about this. So, which is this is how many times he, how many times he woke him up? Yeah, okay. Which is this is how many times he woke him up? Yeah, okay. So and they went to a place called Gethsemane and he said to his disciples sit here while I pray. And he took with him Peter and James and John and began to be greatly distressed and troubled and he said to them my soul is very sorrowful, even to death. Remain here and watch.

Speaker 2: 40:31

And he said back and found them sleeping. And he said to Peter Simon, are you asleep? Could you not watch one hour? Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit, indeed, is willing, but the flesh is weak. And again he went away and prayed, saying the same words. And again he came and found them sleeping, for their eyes were very heavy. They did not know what to answer him. And he came the third time and said to them I'm still sleeping and taking your rest. It is enough. The hour has come. The Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Let us rise, going to see the betrayer. I love the. You were right. Yeah, so you were right, it's three times, but I just love the wording Like I've been betrayed into the hand of sinners.

Speaker 1: 41:23

Anyways. So it's crazy how, when Jesus insults people, it's so extra insulting. Yeah, because it's not like he's doing it to be mean, he's just calling you out on facts. Yep, like, hey you devil, get behind me, satan. Here comes the sinners. Yeah, it's all true, oh my gosh, but yeah. So they're praying in the garden and, you know, judas shows up with the soldiers and all the peoples and says I, I will greet him with a kiss. Yeah, that's the one you want.

Speaker 2: 41:56

So he goes up and the one I will kiss is the man. Seize him and lead him away under guard, the way it says in Mark.

Speaker 1: 42:07

And that's about the time Peter threw hands. Mm, hmm, mm, hmm, threw hands, cut off an ear, yep. And Jesus said no, you guys, geez, hold on. Peter cut off an ear and said Peter cut off an ear. And Jesus said hold on, guys, he's got to hear this. And puts the ear back on and heals the ear.

Speaker 2: 42:31

Yeah, dude. Yeah, it says. But one of those who stood by drew his sword and struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his ear. And Jesus said to them have you come out as against a robber with swords and clubs to capture me Day after day? I was with you in the temple teaching and you did not seize me, but let the scripture be fulfilled. And they left him and fled. Yeah, so it doesn't talk specifically about Jesus putting the ear back on in the gospel of Mark I think that's in the gospel of Matthew, but this is what's funny is in the gospel of Mark. This random little bit is included. It's verse 51, chapter 14, verse 51. It says and a young man followed him with nothing but a linen cloth about his body and they seized him, but he left the linen cloth and ran away naked. So it's like it's the guy who was following Jesus. All he had on was a linen cloth. And then the guards go to seize him and he leaves the cloth and just runs off naked. Why is that in there?

Speaker 1: 43:44

It's just like Mark is like guys. I saw something that you didn't.

Speaker 2: 43:49

Well, some scholarly people think that this is like to add to the validity of the story. They think that John Mark is just pinning Peter how Peter would tell a gospel, but he inserts this little bit about himself he's that young man who was wearing the linen cloth.

Speaker 1: 44:12

Just like a criminal, leaving hints and whatnot on what?

Speaker 2: 44:15

they did. I don't know why he would include that about himself. Like that doesn't make sense to me. But some people say that about the gospel Anyways.

Speaker 1: 44:23

So, yeah, so in the garden, jesus was arrested and brought before the Sanhedrin Yep, which is the Jewish court, yep. And that is the end of Thursday. We really kind of laid on Thursday for a good long bit, yeah, but you know what? That's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 2: 44:44

Monday, Thursday.

Speaker 1: 44:45

So Monday, Thursday and now we're going to talk about Good Friday, which we did talk about. We did talk about, so we'll kind of go over this one fairly quickly. Yep, which is, you know, jesus was arrested and then he was tried by Pilate.

Speaker 2: 45:01

Well, I was going to say going back to Monday. Thursday, jesus is arrested by the Jewish Sanhedrin and brought before them and they find him guilty and so they have to take him before pilot to get him executed. They need the Romans to do it.

Speaker 1: 45:21

And it was because it was Passover. They didn't want to do it.

Speaker 2: 45:23

I think that it was.

Speaker 2: 45:24

They were playing a legality game like pass it off to the Romans so that we don't get in trouble with our own people, but also so that we don't get in trouble with our own people, but also so that we don't get in trouble with the Romans for killing somebody who hasn't done anything wrong. Because the thing is, is their court system, the Jewish court system, a trial has to happen during the day at the public gathering place, being, like you know, the gates or whatever the courts, and there has to be at least two eyewitnesses. They arrest Jesus, they try him in private at night and they drum up false witnesses and that's how they find him guilty. So they don't. They break their own law to find Christ guilty Because he didn't do anything wrong, correct, and then they take him before Pilate to pass him off, to get him crucified. So I just wanted to throw that bit in there, because that's the part where we talk about, where Peter denies Christ three times, because Peter sneaks in and is trying to see what's going on with Jesus.

Speaker 1: 46:29

And they're like hey, we know you. Yeah, and he's like no, you don't.

Speaker 2: 46:32

I don't know this man.

Speaker 1: 46:33

Anyways. So he's tried, beaten, mocked and then sentenced to death. To death, yep. He is crucified on Galgotha Hill, that is, between two criminals, between two criminals. Yep. From noon to 3 pm, darkness covers the land. Yep, Jesus dies and the temple curtain is torn in two. Yep, torn in twain, as they say. A twain. Yep. His body is placed in a tomb provided by Joseph of I don't know how to say that word Arimathea. Thank you, you're welcome. So that is. Was that right? Yeah, I'm looking at it like I just didn't want to try.

Speaker 2: 47:20

Yeah, the only reason I had to clarify that is because there's a couple of Josephs in the Bible. Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1: 47:29

Joseph in his coat of many colors. Yep.

Speaker 2: 47:36

So Joseph of Ar? Yeah, joseph, and his coat of many colors, yep, so joseph of arimathea like he was a follower of christ. He just wasn't like a one of the 12, so, but he was a well-off man so he had money. Saturday saturday.

Speaker 1: 47:48

I mean really not much happened on on Saturday.

Speaker 2: 47:51

Jesus is in the tomb, the disciples are hiding, they're mourning, they're mourning. There's not a lot going on on our side, but this is when Christ goes down into what people would call like the Catholics call it purgatory, some people use the term hell. He goes to the resting place of the dead and he delivers the gospel message to those who are dead, and those who would believe are rescued from death and brought into the resurrected life in Christ and have pictured this You're dead, savior of all mankind.

Speaker 1: 48:34

It just shows up and he's like telling these stories right, probably a shining beacon of light here in this place. And he's like just follow me and you can be delivered from this place to a better place.

Speaker 2: 48:44

And somebody is like, nah, I'm good, yeah, but think about it, Like that's how it is, yeah, Like it's amazing to, like we're just like. Oh no, we would need, like I'll believe in Jesus when I get a sign. That's all I need.

Speaker 1: 48:59

I just need a sign, even though you're getting signs 24-7. Exactly, there's no amount of sign.

Speaker 2: 49:10

You're seeking after things that God did not. God doesn't have to give you, and even if he did give them to you, you would probably explain them away. And so you know, there are people who, even after they've died, and a story of forgiveness and restoration to God is presented to you, you're probably going to be like, nah, there's no way, you know Anyway. So yeah, no, there's no way you know anyway. So yeah, there's a lot going on in the spiritual realm, but on the earthly realm.

Speaker 1: 49:38

They just put some guards, because isn't it that they put the tomb, the roll the tomb? They they bury jesus. Put them in the tomb, roll the rock over, and then they say well, what if somebody comes and steals his body away and then says that he rose up?

Speaker 2: 49:53

you know, yeah, his followers come and steal the body.

Speaker 1: 49:56

Yeah, so then they place two guards to make sure no one comes to take the body.

Speaker 2: 50:01

I don't know how many guards it was, but yes, they do place guards.

Speaker 1: 50:05

I'm going to say two, and then you can read your Bible. I almost said the little Bible like as an insult. No, that's not what I mean. Go read your little Bible.

Speaker 2: 50:15

No, I don't think that it, because that's what I'm saying is. I don't think that it specifies how many guards. I think that it just says that they put a Roman guard.

Speaker 1: 50:23

Okay.

Speaker 2: 50:24

I think I'll have to go to another gospel. I'm in the mark right now, so I don't know. It doesn't really specify as far as the Roman man, you got to know Jesus better.

Speaker 1: 50:32

You got to read all four. That's right.

Speaker 2: 50:35

That's right. You know what You're right. The next day, that is, after the day of preparation, the chief priest and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate and said Sir, we remember how that imposter said while he was still alive after three days, I will rise. Therefore, order the tomb to be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples go and steal him away and tell the people he has risen from the dead and the last fraud will be worse than the first. Pilate said to them you have a guard of soldiers. Go, make it secure as you can. So they went and made the tomb secure by sealing the stone and setting a guard. So yeah, it doesn't really specify.

Speaker 1: 51:24

Well, it sounds like they talk singular and then they talk plural, so it's I have a random note here, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 51:34

It says 50 to 500 men in an average Roman guard.

Speaker 1: 51:38

Hmm.

Speaker 2: 51:39

I don't know if that's accurate. I don't know what I was reading to write that down. That's just what your hopes and dreams were. And came and rolled back the stone and sat. Dreams were, yeah. And came and rolled back the stone and sat yeah, because I've got it right next to the area where the angel comes down and it causes the guard to become so afraid that it's like they're dead. They're like fall down in fear.

Speaker 1: 52:07

Yeah hey, let's get into that, all right. Sunday morning, that's right. The big one, this is the big one, the whole thing, the big show. And now for the main event, the big ancha bang. Yeah, that's a combination of enchilada and the big bang are, we don't believe, for this. Anyways, are you ready? Sunday Easter, sunday, women visit the tomb and find it empty. Yep, mary, mary and Mary, three Marys, two Marys, two Marys.

Speaker 2: 52:49

Two Marys. Two Marys Mary Magdalene and the other, mary.

Speaker 1: 52:55

So it's which I can't remember which Mary is which, but one leaves, right, I think it's. Mary Magdalene leaves and Mary no. Mary Magdalene is the one who stays Okay and Mary leaves, yes, and the other who stays, okay and Mary leaves, yes, and the other, mary leaves. And while she is there, a angel appears Right and says he is not here. He has risen.

Speaker 2: 53:23

He has risen, as he said.

Speaker 1: 53:28

Mm-hmm. Well, so my notes here say Jesus appears to Mary Magdalene first. Mm-hmm, he does, because it's one. He has risen, somebody leaves and then somebody else comes back. Let's read it, let's do that.

Speaker 2: 53:44

Well, we'll have to get to another gospel.

Speaker 1: 53:47

Because it's a lot of excitement and a lot of things going on in these moments. Yeah, understandably that it's somebody's here, then they're there, then some an angel talks to somebody here and then they leave and somebody comes back and it's jesus is there at this point. So yes.

Speaker 2: 54:03

So in in matthew they don't distinguish that mary magdalene stays behind in any way. The angel just tells them he's risen. And so they run to tell the disciples, and Jesus meets them along the way and tells them you know, like hey, do not be afraid, go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee and there they will see me. So that's Matthew. When we go to Luke, it talks about the resurrection. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb taking the spices they had prepared, and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. But when they went in, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. When they went in, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men stood by them in dazzling apparel and as they were frightened and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them why do you seek the living among the dead? He is not here but has risen.

Speaker 2: 55:10

Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, that the Son of man must be delivered into the hands of the sinful men and be crucified. And on the third day, rise. And they remembered his words and, returning from the tomb, they told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest. Now it was Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary, the mother of James, and the other women with them, who told these things to the apostles. But these words seemed to them an idle tale and they did not believe them. And it goes into Peter running. So that's Luke, and then in John.

Speaker 1: 55:57

That's you.

Speaker 2: 55:59

Hey, john's the one that talks about Jesus appears to Mary Magdalene. It's 20 verses, 11 through 18. So that's where he goes and that's where he appears to her.

Speaker 1: 56:15

She's like oh, I thought, are you the gardener? Where'd you take? Yeah, just essentially, she says please just tell me where you took him and I'll go get him. Yeah, yep, and she, and jesus is like hey.

Speaker 2: 56:25

Yeah, Sup, yeah, it's revealed to her, but it's a big deal. He's risen. Jesus makes the point that he keeps his scars in his hands and the scar in his side and in his feet as identifiers so that his disciples, even though they can see his face, they don't have to be like, oh, he's a specter, or oh, he's a ghost or a spirit. You know it's like. No, I'm physically here. Feel my hands. Feel where you saw the nails pierced through my hands. Put your hand inside where the spear pierced my side. So you know, it's like I'm physically restored to you and here's the evidence for that.

Speaker 1: 57:14

I mean because that's not the first time where they saw Jesus and thought he was a ghost right.

Speaker 2: 57:19

Yeah, yeah, they've been like, oh my gosh, it's a ghost on the water. During the storm on the water. Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1: 57:29

So yeah, storm on the water, yeah, yep, so, yeah. So I have a note here that says the resurrection confirms Jesus's identity as the son of God and savior of the world.

Speaker 2: 57:38

Correct. It all hinges. Everything that Christ said hinges on him coming back from the dead, because he predicts his own death and he makes the point that I will destroy this temple and I will rebuild it in three days is what he says, and he's talking about his body. They destroy his body on Good Friday and on Easter Sunday he is resurrected from the dead. He restores his temple and brings forth the victory over death. So really cool, and it does, I mean. It just solidifies who he is, who he says he is. Amen, amen, praise the Lord. Hey, he is risen.

Speaker 1: 58:28

He has risen.

Speaker 2: 58:30

You should say he has risen. Indeed, go again. Hey, he is risen. He has risen. You should say he is risen. Indeed, go again. Hey, he is risen.

Speaker 1: 58:36

Indeed, he has risen indeed, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2: 58:42

Okay, all right, yeah, so that's the gospel timeline.

Speaker 1: 58:46

So I have a question. I wanted to kind of bring this up and have this conversation, okay, a little bit, because I feel like that a lot of times things are in the Bible. We celebrate certain things, certain moments.

Speaker 2: 59:02

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 59:03

And like, let's say, christmas, okay, we celebrate Jesus's birth on December 25th. Yeah, was he actually born on December 25th? You know that kind of question, sure.

Speaker 2: 59:16

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 59:17

So my question to you is for this timeline, because he was crucified on according to how we celebrate it on a Friday? Yes, he was in the grave for three days. It on a Friday. Yes, he was in the grave for three days and resurrected on Sunday. Correct, but that wasn't a total of three days.

Speaker 1: 59:39

Well on the third day, Right? So I think a lot of people misunderstand these things. It was on the third day he rose, but a lot of people will see that, and I believed it that way that he was in the third day he rose. But a lot of people will see that, and I believed it that way that he was in the grave for three days.

Speaker 2: 59:54

Yeah, no, it's not a I'm going to be in the grave 72 hours. It's a I'm going to die, be in the tomb and then, on that third day, be in the tomb and then on that third day I will rise from the dead. And the significance of that is the Passover, because Passover is happening on a high Sabbath. Sabbath is Saturday. For the Jews, Sabbath doesn't end until Saturday night. It starts Friday night and ends Saturday night. It's a full 24-hour process where they're supposed to rest. And so for the high Sabbath, it just so happens that Passover happens on a Sabbath. That's why it's called a high Sabbath.

Speaker 2: 1:00:43

And so Jesus is in the grave during the Sabbath. Jesus is, if you will, at rest during the Sabbath, though he was doing stuff. He was at rest Though he was doing stuff, yeah, and so he doesn't interrupt the Sabbath day by coming back on Sabbath, but the next day he comes back After the high Sabbath, he rises from the dead, and so and and that would be the day that israel is leaving egypt, that's when they're walking out of egypt is on that third day, and so that's kind of the. The idea is it's he. He dies on a friday, he's in the grave and then that third third day is Sunday, when he comes back. He's not, it's not, it's not dead for 72 hours, it's just. It's a three-day process of him dying, being dead and rising On three different days. On three different days.

Speaker 1: 1:01:40

It all happens within three days and so, yeah, that was just kind of my thing is like the misconception, because we could misread one little thing and interpret it as he was in the grave for three days, but it says that he rose on the third day.

Speaker 2: 1:01:54

Yeah, and you know it's a good point. It's something to point out that we we tend to misunderstand it here in our time, I guess because we're so analytical. But everyone understood it back then because the high priests came and were like on the day of preparation, like hey, like can you go put guards on the tomb? Because he said he would come back tomorrow and his disciples might steal his body and produce an even greater hoax than the first one. So they understood what he meant. But we remove for hundreds of years, want to be so analytical about it. Like well, he said three days, but it happened in less time.

Speaker 1: 1:02:36

Which is crazy because, oh, if it happened over a span of three different days, but it was a total of two days, him raising from the grave doesn't mean anything, because it was two days versus three days. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:02:49

Yeah, I think your argument, yeah, the bigger thing here is that he rose from the dead.

Speaker 1: 1:02:53

Right, Like we get so stuck on numbers that we forget that. Wait, he rose from the dead and no one's ever done that and no one will do that again without.

Speaker 2: 1:03:04

God yeah, no one comes back from the dead on their own Right. Yeah, yeah, no one comes back from the dead on their own Right.

Speaker 1: 1:03:11

Yeah, yeah, you're right, all right. So that is, that's our Easter. That's Easter. Praise the Lord, amen, amen.

Speaker 2: 1:03:22

Real quick. We got the one last thing for you, and that is Tyler. This is your transition into the Corner.

Speaker 1: 1:03:32

Step inside if you dare. Shadows move, mysteries whisper, and the unknown awaits. Welcome to the Corner. So what are we talking about on today's corner? This mystical, ancient creature?

Speaker 2: 1:04:08

We're going to talk about the Easter.

Speaker 1: 1:04:10

Bunny.

Speaker 2: 1:04:11

It's the Easter.

Speaker 1: 1:04:13

Bunny. So tell me more about this creature that, tell me what you know about the Easter Bunny. He's a paganistic little creature, okay, and he lays eggs. Okay, and that's eggs. Okay, and that's it. Okay, I have notes, let's get into this.

Speaker 2: 1:04:37

Okay. So allegedly some people speculate that it's a pagan reference to a pagan holiday or a pagan goddess, ayastora Eostre, eostre, yeah, or Ay pagan goddess Iostora Eostre, eostre, yeah, yeah. Or Iostor Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 1:04:55

A dramatic goddess of spring and fertility, yep.

Speaker 2: 1:04:59

And there is suggestion that hares were used as symbolisms for her Mm-hmm, because you know, they occur in spring and they're more active in springtime and they're really good at reproducing Very good at it but the bunny is not a hare. They can't actually breed with each other, right?

Speaker 1: 1:05:25

They look the same, but they're different.

Speaker 2: 1:05:27

Same same, but different.

Speaker 2: 1:05:28

Yeah you're right, anyways. So yeah, I mean, but that is the go-to. Like, a lot of people talk about this Germanic deity, goddess, and that's where we get the term Easter from. The problem is and Wes Huff actually did a video on this, so it was pretty good but like her name also coincides with the term for the season, that's, the changing of the season. Easter or Yostor is like it's something month, I want to say, it's like first month or changing month or something like that, but that would be the dramatic in English term for spring. It also happens to be very similar or the same as the name of the goddess that some people celebrated, so it's hard like when you really look at it that way you could go, you could say, yes, easter bunny's pagan. Because of this germanic goddess whose name is similar to, or whose name, who shares her name, with the season that resurrection of Christ is acknowledged in, and then everybody in the ancient world used bunnies as a symbol for spring.

Speaker 1: 1:07:07

Is that why the Easter bunny brings eggs? Because it's a symbolism for fertility and abundance type thing.

Speaker 2: 1:07:17

That's something that okay. So to my understanding, the whole the Easter bunny brings the eggs is like way, way down the line. So eggs on Easter happened because a lot of people would give up eggs for Lent. So to make the eggs last, they would boil because people are still getting eggs from their chickens. Right, they would hard boil the eggs so that when Lent was over they could start eating them. Lent was over, they could start eating them, and a German practice came from painting the eggs and then giving them as gifts at the end of Lent.

Speaker 1: 1:07:57

I have here. They have the Osterhaus, which is Easter hair, yeah, and that started appearing in the 1600s and it says children made nests for it to lay colored eggs.

Speaker 2: 1:08:11

Yeah, so this is like removed hundreds of years from any kind of practice of paganism or occultic stuff and people celebrating Lent as a little fun thing. They started decorating eggs for each other and then giving them as gifts.

Speaker 2: 1:08:27

And then it went into kids would make nests because the Easter house was going to bring them eggs as a gift at the end of Lent, which is Easter Sunday, and that's where it blows up to what we have today, where we've got plastic eggs and candies inside them and the Easter bunny. And get your basket to collect these eggs for Easter, because that's the celebration of our birthday, and that's what I have here is.

Speaker 1: 1:09:00

German immigrants brought the tradition to the US in the 1700s and it evolved into the Easter bunny, delivering candy, eggs and toys.

Speaker 2: 1:09:09

Yep, so its origins. With the whole eggs. It evolved into the Easter Bunny delivering candy eggs and toys Yep, so its origins, with the whole eggs. Was it spawned out of Lent and people acknowledging the end of Lent, which is a religious practice inside Christianity. So the whole it came from pagan festivities. You could draw a line, but it's a very flimsy one and yeah, that's just how it is. Like to say that the Easter bunny is pagan. I just don't think you can do it, because the bunny is used in every culture as a symbol for different things, and so it's like to say that Christians don't get to use God's creation to celebrate something is kind of silly. I think the important side of that argument of is the Easter Bunny pagan and should we do it? The important side of that is don't let it take away from what the holiday is really about, and that was something I was about to ask Is the.

Speaker 2: 1:10:20

Easter bunny, distracting from the true message of Easter. See, that's I don't think it does. I mean for me and my family it doesn't. We don't like get all hyped up about the Easter bunny.

Speaker 1: 1:10:27

If you make it okay. So all these holidays, right that we have that, we have this. I guess it's really Easter and Christmas. Yeah, we have a mythical creature, icon of some kind, a cryptid, as they say. Sure, yep, that represents the holiday when the real message should be Jesus. There's nothing wrong if you say let's go have some candy and eggs and all that stuff, let's have gift exchanges. But when you take Jesus out of that and say a mythical creature, the Easter bunny or a mythical man brought you these gifts, yes, that takes away from the truth of these days.

Speaker 2: 1:11:12

Yeah, yeah. If you get focused on the extras and you don't acknowledge the real reason, then I wouldn't say that necessarily you're practicing or celebrating paganism. I would say that you are allowing things from the world to distract you from the truth and you need to come back in.

Speaker 1: 1:11:35

As long as you make it about Jesus Exactly, there's nothing wrong with hiding some eggs and getting some candy or exchanging some gifts.

Speaker 2: 1:11:42

Yeah, no.

Speaker 1: 1:11:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:11:44

I don't have an issue with it. So there you go, there you go.

Speaker 1: 1:11:49

That's the Easter bunny. That is old Peter Cottontail. Old Peter Cottontail. All right, well, thank you so much for joining us on episode 32 of the Saints that Serve podcast For our Easter celebration. I hope y'all enjoy it.

Speaker 2: 1:12:06

Yeah, I hope you had a good time. Obviously, easter has come and gone because it's Monday.

Speaker 1: 1:12:11

But we didn't want to take ourselves off of that schedule entirely. So here we are, monday, talking about what you just experienced and what it meant.

Speaker 2: 1:12:21

Yeah, and maybe, if you didn't participate in it, hopefully we highlighted some things for you that will make you be like you know what I'm going to celebrate Easter in a church next year, that's right. Find a body of believers that you can be a part of. Find that community and invest in it and let it invest in you. And when we come around to our holidays, let's celebrate.

Speaker 1: 1:12:43

That's what I have to say. There you go. So again, if you have any questions about what we talked about, you can shoot us an email at saintsthatserve at gmailcom, or you can just leave a comment in the comment section of whatever platform you're listening to this on. If it has comments, yeah, all right. Well, that's all I got, and that's what all I've got. Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now.

Speaker 2: 1:13:08

We are the saints that serve. I want to point out that Jesus cursed a fig tree for not producing figs and it never produced again. Jesus is like curse this fig tree and then it was actually cursed. So remember that Jesus's words have actions, that's right.

Speaker 1: 1:13:53

And hey, keep in mind, if you don't give Jesus a fig, he will curse you give me a fig or I'll curse.

Speaker 2: 1:14:02

You. No, he won't.

Speaker 1: 1:14:04

No, he won't no, he ain't, because you need to give him that fig, okay all done, y'all.