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I was going to say it's always Lord of the Rings.

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Yeah, somehow we always bring it back around to Lord of the Rings you bring it back to Lord of the Rings and I let it happen because it's a great topic.

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I am a fan, but we are not talking about Lord of the Rings this week. That's right.

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We're not. I mean, we might a little bit, but we're trying not to. We're not planning on it.

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Our numbers dipped so hard when they said is this just a Lord of the Rings podcast?

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And if you don't want to come to see John, I'll be there. You can come see me. Hey, there you go, because everybody wants to see Jairus.

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Yep, so we're trying to launch it. We're trying to launch a. Basically it's a four-week course and it just teaches you the inductive method to be able to approach God's word and gain context. So we've started that up. Exciting things are happening in March because, well, I guess this comes out in March.

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Yeah, this episode will be March 3rd, I believe.

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Yep, so the end of March we're going to be doing a online live stream worship night, and that will be the last Friday of March, and then, which I believe is like the 28th, and then, man, if only we had calendars on our phones, but I love how you reach for it. I was like nah, I'm not going to commit to it, but then in April we're going to be launching something just as fun we're going to be launching our video game live stream. That's right, saints that Play.

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That's right. So we kind of hinted at this a couple of weeks ago, more than that maybe. Like a month ago it's been a minute. Yeah, it's been one whole minute, but that's going to be more ran by me.

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Yep, Our fabulous excellent.

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Jairus, that's right. So that is my baby, that is my child, that's right. And it is, I feel like, appropriately called the Saints that Play.

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And it will be awesome. We used to do live streaming a couple of years ago and we had a lot of fun and there were people that were entertained by it, so we're just going to pick back up where we left off Pretty much.

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So, even though it's under a different kind of identity umbrella, it will be also a continuation of regal games yep, yep. So which is what that is? So if you had already subscribed to regal games, you don't have to do anything. And if you haven't, go and follow the saints that play on all platforms yep, facebook, twitch, video game, live streaming. If that's your kind of deal, if that's something you want to be entertained by, I am entertaining. There you go, and most of the time, john will probably be there. Yeah, but I'm along for the ride. I'm wanting to do it like a maybe, like a smaller Tuesday night type stream type situation, like a small stream and then, like an end of the week, larger stream. So like, maybe, like I'll do a solo gameplay of something every week, yeah, and then our group will also be playing on the weekends.

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Yeah, I mean, essentially it's a let's play the Tuesday night kind of deal. Well, the during the week I don't know why I said Tuesday night, but the during the week solo. I mean it's just a fun, entertaining, let play. And then the weekends is yeah, it's, it's. It's less about the gameplay and more about the dialogue between the, between, between the different character. I hate to say characters, but really that's what it is characters that come on to the.

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Let's be honest, when you get up on there you do like we all do, kind of exude a little bit more different energy than we do in normal social environments and situations. So anybody, anytime, you're not yourself fully, you're in like entertainment mode. Yeah, you know, then that's. I guess you are a character yeah, yeah.

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Basically, what we're trying to say is be on the lookout and make sure you tune into that as well. Yeah.

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So that is coming, yeah, so be prepared, then be prepared.

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That's all I got. That's our announcements, so I guess we're ready to dive into our main topic for the night.

Speaker 1: 6:59

So, tyler, this is your transition. We are now transitioning into the main topic, which is your transition. We are now transitioning into the main topic, which is Bible movies. So we hinted at this last week. So we we hinted that we were doing something fun.

Speaker 2: 7:14

I think this is really fun and it is fun, but we didn't say what we were doing. And that's what we're doing. We are looking at movie adaptations of stories from the Bible and we're going to talk about them, what we like about them, but we're also going to compare the differences between the movie and the actual Bible.

Speaker 1: 7:33

So how do you want to do this? Because we all we me and you both have agreed we're going to have like a main one we're going to talk about. Do you want to do it first or lead up to it? Let's go ahead and do it first, okay, so let's just go ahead. And this is probably the one Bible adaptation most people have seen, because it is a quote, unquote children's movie. It's made by DreamWorks, yep, and so this is probably the one that most people have seen, yep. I have a list of a couple of smaller facts from other movies, okay, but yeah, we're talking about the Prince of Egypt. Prince of Egypt.

Speaker 2: 8:00

Prince of Egypt.

Speaker 3: 8:03

Prince of Egypt Deliver us.

Speaker 1: 8:13

Deliver us. Yeah. So if you don't know what the Prince of Egypt is, which I would be semi-surprised Everybody's kind of heard about this movie. Yeah, it's pretty popular.

Speaker 1: 8:28

Especially amongst the millennials. Yes, yes, so this is DreamWorks' movie that they made before they made Shrek. This is the movie before DreamWorks got huge as a company. And a fun fact about that, when they were making Prince of Egypt, if you were doing poorly as an animator on the Prince of Egypt, which was their high budget film that they were making, they would punish you by sending you essentially to the portion of the studio that was working on Shrek. Really, yeah, so if you were doing bad, you got sent to. What was Shrek was essentially the punishment movie, but Shrek honestly unfortunately ended up being way bigger of a movie than Prince of Egypt did. Yeah, it's like a you know blockbuster hit for some reason. Yeah, but Prince of Egypt, I honestly think, is a better movie than Shrek. I like it. It's pretty timeless.

Speaker 2: 9:16

So Prince of Egypt, if you don't know, is about Moses yeah, it's the first half of Moses's story, which is him being born, growing up, going leaving egypt, going into the wilderness and then god bringing him back to deliver the people out of egypt deliver us that's right, it's also a musical.

Speaker 1: 9:40

yeah, it is mutual. It's got some banger tracks. Uh, fun fact, it is the dude who played Voldemort is Pharaoh Ramses. Really, yeah, ralph Fiennes. I can't say his name, I never could, but the guy who played Voldemort is him. And then Val Kilmer is Moses.

Speaker 2: 9:57

I didn't even realize that Val Kilmer was Moses, that's crazy Mm-hmm. This movie also has a lower budget prequel.

Speaker 1: 10:12

Yeah, joseph and the what is it? Just joseph, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, I thought, or no, joseph, code of dreams, or something like that. That's what it's called king of dreams. I'll have to look at that, it's not as good. No it's not, but it's it's, it's decent. It's not on my bonus films either. Yeah, but that one I feel like is way less accurate to the Bible than Prince of Egypt. Is they really put a lot more emphasis on the brothers? I guess I'm trying to think yeah, that one is kind of forgettable.

Speaker 1: 10:43

No I mean as a movie, not the story.

Speaker 2: 10:46

Yeah, I think the big difference in the movie between the actual story, specifically with the brothers, is in the movie they're all in unison about getting rid of him. In the story, In the Bible story. In the Bible story the oldest brother, Reuben, is trying to save him and so he convinces the other brothers, rather than just straight up killing him, to throw him in a pit and then while he goes off to do something. That's when they decide to sell Joseph to some traders, traveling merchants that are going by and when Ruben comes back and discovers that he's been sold and he's gone, he freaks out. So yeah, there's a little bit of difference, but as far as that they giveoseph gets married in the in the movie, but it's like the daughter or niece of the uh potiphar is his egyptian master and that's not how it is in the story.

Speaker 1: 12:02

So still, what's crazy. Looking at the voice cast you have, I'm double checking. There's a lot of people in this movie, but who do you think voices Judah? He is very famous, Judah in the movie yeah, this is the one I remembered. He's very famous. He is very famous, tom Cruise. Here's your hint star wars oh, harrison ford, no, mark hamill, oh, mark hamill. Mark hamill is judah. Ben affleck is joseph. Really, ben affleck is joseph, because I get that mixed up and confused, because I thought it was Ben Affleck and Ralph Finans and I got the two mixed up because of that past.

Speaker 2: 12:52

I will say that I think the hardest thing as a believer is you see these movie adaptations of Bible stories and you're like, wow, I'm really glad that there's exposure to god's word being produced in hollywood. And then you look at the cast and you look at their life post movie and there's like no they took.

Speaker 1: 13:17

No, they took nothing from it yeah, and you're just like.

Speaker 1: 13:21

It was just for them, it was just another. I wish they'd actually read the word. So I wanted to read this. So this is what they. So we're going to talk about Prince of Egypt now. Okay, so this is what they put in the very front of the movie. So before you even start, they have this blurb. It says the motion picture you're about to see is an adaptation of the Exodus story. While artistic and historical license have been taken, we believe that this film is true to the essence, values and integrity of a story that is a cornerstone of faith for millions of people worldwide. The biblical story of Moses can be found in the book of Exodus and I think that is already before we even get started. Kind of, the point we're going to get to is that these stories yes, they're going to get them wrong, but they are a good jumping off point for people to start their faith and go in and study and realize, okay, this is wrong, but that doesn't make it wrong to watch these movies.

Speaker 2: 14:28

Yeah, yeah, and I do want to talk about that later on. Just the it's one thing to watch, it's another thing to actually discover what it really is. You know what the Bible actually says.

Speaker 1: 14:42

Do you take this as just a DreamWorks cartoon or do you take it as historical adaptation of a true story? Because some people look at it as I'm just watching another cartoon. Oh, but in reality this happened.

Speaker 2: 14:57

Yeah, that's how I look at it, I mean, but that's just because I believe it.

Speaker 2: 15:00

Yeah, but unfortunately there are people out there who think it's just another cartoon, like watching shrek for their kids yeah, but I will say I feel like in the west, because of social media and because there is just an open, free platform for the most part, for people to come on and talk in areas where there were experts that didn't have a voice in the open market, now they have a voice in the open market and they're experts, and so people will actually listen to them and hear what they have to say. I feel like a lot of the like nothing in the Bible is real. Nothing in the Bible is true. It's just a fictional book that has good morals.

Speaker 2: 15:40

I feel like that mentality is slowly dying out just because there's been so much evidence external biblical evidence that supports the validity of the Bible story or the Bible narrative, and so it's like more and more people are coming forward like, yeah, we excavated this area and we found this stuff, and up until this excavation, the only historical reference to this stuff has been in the Bible. So we've just said that it didn't exist and it wasn't real. And then we found it and the only historical texts that talked about it was the Bible. Yeah, you know. So it's like stuff like that happens all the time. And then you've got these people that are like linguists who, like, study dead languages and they, they languages and they look into the Bible and they see God's word and just look at the validity and just the excellence of the wording in the scripture coming together to make a point.

Speaker 2: 16:38

So a lot of people I think a lot of people are like oh, nothing in the Bible is real. I don't think there's a lot of people like that anymore. I think most people accept that the Bible, the stuff in the Bible, happened, but they want to say that there's embellishment because some of it's supernatural, and so they're like well, it probably didn't happen that way or whatever, which is not true. I believe that it all happened the way that the Bible says it happened.

Speaker 1: 17:03

And let's get into that, because the movie is wrong in some aspects They'll present something. So what I have here is a list of different things that you know happened in the movie, and we'll compare it to the Bible. Let's do it. So the first one I have here is Moses and Ramses, which is Pharaoh Correct. Moses and Ramses, which is Pharaoh Correct. Moses and Ramses grew up together as close brothers. That's the movie. That's the movie. In the Bible there is no mention of Moses and Ramses having a brotherly relationship, and I have Bible verses here, so I'm going to just call those out, because I don't think we'll have time to read every single Bible verse.

Speaker 3: 17:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:44

Unless you want a single one out and read it. You do your thing, man. Okay, so that is for Moses and Ramses. You know their relationship. That is being quoted from Exodus 2, verses 10 and 11.

Speaker 2: 17:59

They make the point that Moses is swept up from the river by an Egyptian woman of the royal family, but in the movie they make it out to be like Pharaoh's wife, and she has a son.

Speaker 2: 18:20

And then Moses becomes her adopted son. That's where the struggle between the two of them develops, at the end of the movie, where it's like they still have that brotherly love for each other but they're at odds because of their belief systems, whereas in the Bible, moses is adopted by the current Pharaoh's daughter and raised up in Egyptian nobility by Pharaoh's daughter. I mean, when Moses flees Egypt he's 40 years old.

Speaker 1: 18:50

I think people glaze over that, which I don't have it on my list, but that's something else is like he's incredibly young. The entire movie. Yeah, that is not the case in the Bible. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:01

Moses grows up in Egypt for 40 years and then he flees because he kills an Egyptian and people find out about it and he's scared that he's going to get, you know, prosecuted or whatever. And Then he's in the wilderness for another 40 years. So he's 80 when he comes back to Egypt and he's got children, he's got a wife, he's got livestock and stuff like. He leaves everything except his wife and kids to come back to Egypt to bring God's people out of Egypt. And God makes the point that the current Pharaoh when you left is no longer there. It's a different Pharaoh, so it could be a totally different dynasty. That's stepped into place. That's all speculation. But that's the big differences in the movie that make it out like he's adopted by Pharaoh's wife. So he's Pharaoh's adopted son in the movie, but that's just not the case in the actual story.

Speaker 1: 20:04

So with that, I'm going to hop around on my list a little bit, but you as viewers at home won't know that. Ha ha, got them. The queen adopts. Moses is on my list, oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:16

It's not the queen.

Speaker 1: 20:17

Yeah, so again, as you said, in the movie the Pharaoh's wife adopts Moses and raises him, but in the Bible it is Pharaoh's daughter who rescues and adopts him. That's Exodus, chapter 2, verses 5 through 10.

Speaker 2: 20:31

Yeah. So there you go, people. But yeah, I think that as far as the visual of a kid's cartoon, I've seen that, like these are two brothers, brothers, they have a brotherly relationship. They grow up together in that brotherly love and relationship and moses is always 100 behind his brother, like he is championing his brother on to become pharaoh. That's all he wants. He just wants him to to be Pharaoh and to do well and everything.

Speaker 2: 21:02

But he likes to play around and be obnoxious and stuff, and then they're separated by time, you know time and space. And then Moses matures and grows up and is sent back to Egypt with the sole purpose of delivering.

Speaker 1: 21:20

No, you go ahead. I was going to say, after you're done with your thought, okay.

Speaker 2: 21:23

He's being led by God, he's convicted to deliver the people, and he's been given this divine commission by God to do it. And so he comes back and his brother is Pharaoh. And in the movie, you see, there's that sense of excitement and joy, like, hey, I'm so happy to see you, my brother, I'm so happy you're a pharaoh, but I need you to free the Hebrews. And in the movie, ramsey's ideology is that the dynasty that he is a part of, that he's a descendant of, must remain strong and must continue on, and that's what he worships, is the strength of his dynasty, because that was the only thing that his father cared about, or at least that's how it's portrayed. And so, in order for him to do good by his dad, he has to be strong and he can't show any weakness.

Speaker 1: 22:21

And so that's what causes the conflict yeah, and I want to say this, and I feel like this is, like to me personally, a great indication, yeah, that the bible is real, yeah, is that it doesn't follow the flow of the rise and fall and the major plot points of how a movie flows. In the prince of egypt, the Prince of Egypt, it follows that there has to be an opposing force, villain, that has to follow certain aspects of how stories are being told. The Bible doesn't follow that and to me, that is a great point of it's not a story, it is chronicling of historical events.

Speaker 2: 22:58

Well, and this is important for everybody you had to take a big view of the entire Bible. There's different genres of writing. There's historical narrative, there's wisdom literature, there's epistles, there's historical gospels, there's prophetic writing. There's a bunch of different narratives, there's a bunch of different authors, there's a couple of different languages and then it spanned over a couple hundred years. And so, just to clarify for everybody, I'm Southern, so when I say couple, I don't mean literally two, it's just a way of saying a lot. Isn't that so funny that in the South, if someone says a couple, it means a lot? You just know it means more than one, yeah, but everywhere else everyone takes you as literally as a pair.

Speaker 1: 23:47

Yeah, two, because a couple is two people. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:51

Wild. Like until I moved out of the South and was somewhere else, I didn't realize that, like, that's how people thought just I was in that southern bubble of like yeah, a couple just means more than one, you know. But uh, anyways, the bible is the story of god's redemptive plan for man. Our starting point is perfection, and right away leads to explaining the fall and the corruption of man, and then the rest of the way through is revealing. God is a God of mercy and forgiveness and grace, and he wants to forgive mankind of sin and he desires for mankind to be free of sin, and so he creates a way for that to happen. And so that's the overall story. And the beautiful thing about the story of Moses and the Exodus is it's an imagery of deliverance from slavery.

Speaker 3: 24:48

Deliverance.

Speaker 2: 24:49

Yeah, you get to see Israel. The people of Israel are enslaved by the Egyptians and they live in a state of slavery, to the point their mindset is all about being slaves. Yeah, they don't know any other identity, they just know that they're in turmoil and God delivers them. He leads them out of Egypt and out of slavery and promises them a holy anointing as his people and they will live in prosperity and joy and a promised land that he has for them, as long as they abide in him and fast forward to the New Testament. Now you see that, played out through Christ, christ is delivering mankind from the bondage of slavery to sin and he's extending the grace and forgiveness of God to all of humanity. And whoever would believe in God will be forgiven and set free from that bondage and we'll get to live in the eternal kingdom of God as a child of God. So really beautiful, that story and the Exodus story. It did happen. It's a literal historical event, but it also foreshadows the coming of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1: 26:05

So cool deal, cool deal. So I'm going to hit you with three at once or back to back, not all this. It'd be weird if I was able to say three different things.

Speaker 3: 26:13

Back to back, all right.

Speaker 1: 26:16

So in the movie, moses unintentionally kills an Egyptian soldier in self-defense, but in the Bible, Moses deliberately kills an Egyptian and hides the body, and that is Exodus 2, verse 12.

Speaker 2: 26:30

He doesn't kill in self-defense in the movie.

Speaker 1: 26:34

He's defending somebody.

Speaker 2: 26:36

Yeah, yeah, he's trying to make him stop. They make it like it's an accident, yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:40

Essentially yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:41

Yeah, yeah yeah, and that's how this is worded here, forgive my wording. Okay, yeah, and so because of that, moses in the movie leaves Egypt because he feels guilty for the accident. Yeah, but in the Bible he flees because Pharaoh wants to kill him, and that is Exodus, chapter two, verse 15. Does it say because Pharaoh wants to kill him? And that is Exodus, chapter two, verse 15. Does it say that Pharaoh wants to kill him? That's what it says. Do you want to do some Bible fact checking? Let's do this. So Exodus two, chapter 15.

Speaker 2: 27:13

Exodus two, 15. I think you're right. When Pharaoh heard of it, he sought to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and stayed in the land of Midian and he sat down by a. Well, You're right.

Speaker 3: 27:29

Deliver us.

Speaker 2: 27:30

Yeah. So for those who don't know, he killed an Egyptian. And then the next day, after killing the Egyptian, he sees two Hebrews fighting each other and he goes to kind of break the fight up and like, hey, why are you guys fighting? I'll just read it. So he kills the Egyptian, hides the body. Verse 13, exodus 2. When he went out the next day, behold, two Hebrews were struggling together and he said to the man in the wrong why do you strike your companion? He answered who made you a prince and a judge over us? Do you mean to kill me as you killed the Egyptian? Then Moses was afraid and thought surely the thing is known. So, and then it goes into verse 15, when Pharaoh found out he wants to kill him. So yeah, there you go, you are correctamundo.

Speaker 1: 28:25

Look at me being right for once. So this one I thought was interesting. In the movie Moses is shocked to learn that he is Hebrew. But in the Bible Moses always knew his heritage.

Speaker 2: 28:39

Yeah, people didn't know this. But if you read the story, moses is put in an ark or some sort of Basket of some sort. Well, you can't say basket, because the Bible doesn't say basket the.

Speaker 3: 28:50

Bible says ark.

Speaker 2: 28:52

Maybe some translations say basket, but the literal word is an ark, a little mini ark, yeah and so. But he's put in an ark at the Nile. He goes downstream and gets picked up by Pharaoh's daughter, and Pharaoh's daughter is like oh look, it's a little Hebrew child, I think I'll keep him. And then and Moses's older sister is like, followed it and has been and watches the whole thing play out, which also happens in the movie. It also happens in the movie, but the difference is in the story she approaches the princess and says hey, I know a great hebrew woman who could be a wet nurse for him and take care of him for you. And she's like what an excellent idea, take this child to that woman, and when he's older I will fetch him. And so moses gets brought back to his family and is reunited with his family for a couple of years as a small child, until he's weaned. But now he has the protection of the princess, right, so not the queen yeah not the queen.

Speaker 2: 30:00

Yeah, not the queen, but yeah, there is that. I mean he grows up with some benefits from royalty, but he's always aware of who he is. And it's kind of weird because I think that the Bible makes it out like everybody knows he's a Hebrew. He knows he's a Hebrew, but just because of the special circumstance with Pharaoh's daughter. That's why he is delivered from the execution, basically, of all young Hebrew boys. But it seems like in the text that everyone is aware that he is a Hebrew child, whereas in the movie, like you said, it was like a big plot twist for him. Yeah, was it? Broke his how dare you mother? Yeah, and his mom was like I don't.

Speaker 2: 30:48

I didn't know where you came from, I didn't question it, it was just hey, a baby. You were a gift.

Speaker 1: 30:52

Well, I think she said a gift from, not the nile, well, I think she says from the gods, because they yeah from the god, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah whatever you know, because those aren't real. Yeah, we know that. Watch the movie. Yeah, it's all smoke and mirrors for the Egyptians. That's right, or red?

Speaker 2: 31:09

dyed powder. But okay, side note on that. I think we should do a special episode on that one time. Like the demonic powers of the world and like how powerful are they? Because, not, what am I trying to say here? Like there has to be some sort of ability.

Speaker 2: 31:34

I mean, I hear different testimonies from people getting delivered out of you know the occult and Satanism, and like witchcraft and stuff, but like the hold that demonic forces have on people inside that is physically powerful, right. So it's like how far does these demonic presences like, how far can they go when it comes to these different ancient religions that have a pantheon of gods? Like what can they do to show physical power and how are they limited? And then the other side of that like think about all we've talked about cryptids before, right, like how many of these things are actually real and how many of them are like a demonic physical manifestation? Yeah, yeah, so I don't know, we have to look into that at some time, because the egyptian like lore or mythology, if you will, it's really weird and very chaotic and it just, you're just like and and in the bible. Okay, so in the movie, you know, it's all smoke and mirrors with the magicians, right?

Speaker 1: 32:47

which that's when, like, I love this soundtrack for this movie yeah when the two magicians do their song. Yeah, I hate, I hate that song so much. It's just the big boys now, it's just. It gives me like, like negative chills, like it's just like this, because they're talking about these demonic things and these false gods and they're worshiping them and dancing to it. I hate that segment so much. Yeah, such an eerie song, yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:14

But they make that out like it's sleight of hand and deception. It's sleight of hand and deception, but in the Bible it plays off like, hey, these magicians and diviners and wise men and all these different guys like they do have power and they do manifest stuff, but they have a limit, because Moses keeps going right with the different plagues, yeah, and they're like we can't conjure this, we can't. Like. They start to fear Moses and they start to believe him. Whenever he says something's going to happen, they start running to try and figure out how to deal with it because it's like, okay, we can't match it, you know. So they do have in the Bible.

Speaker 1: 34:04

It seems that they do have power, but it's limited and it does not hold up against God. So I have another one here. In the movie Pharaoh Seti, which is Ramses, which is I don't know if we said his name or not, but in the movie that is Moses' adopted brother Ramses and Seti is Ramses' father. In the movie that is Moses' adopted brother Ramsey's and Seti is Ramsey's father. In the movie, okay, pharaoh Seti directly commands the slaughter of the Hebrew babies. Okay, in the movie. In the movie, like he's there, he's doing it all. This is like I feel like one of those minor ones. He's there In the movie. He is there. What do you mean by it? Just, you know he was there helping slaughter the babies.

Speaker 2: 34:46

Oh, are you talking about the hieroglyph scene? Yeah, I mean he it's like I said, I wouldn't say he was there but like, yeah, because in the hieroglyph scene he points and all the soldiers run to grab the babies. And all the soldiers run to grab the babies. Yeah, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1: 35:00

Again, this is kind of one of those minor ones. Yeah yeah, yeah, but obviously in the Bible Pharaoh orders Hebrew boys to be thrown into the Nile, but does not oversee it personally. Yeah, in the movie they make it look like he is personally there overseeing it.

Speaker 2: 35:14

Yeah, I look at ancient kings, especially the pharaohs, and it's almost like they give a lot of commands and things to be done, but it's almost like we've got. We're so important that we can't personally oversee it. We've got other important things to do. So I'm going to make you do it, or or this guy's going to do it or whatever. So I'm going to make the ord, it, or this guy's going to do it or whatever. So I'm going to make the ordination, but I'm not going to personally oversee it. It seems to be a regularity and I guess.

Speaker 2: 35:51

maybe that's how royalty is throughout history. Maybe they don't personally oversee stuff, they just command other people to do it.

Speaker 1: 35:59

I'm too beyond doing anything besides speak these words.

Speaker 2: 36:02

Yeah, yeah, it's like listen dinner for me. I can't cancel that again.

Speaker 1: 36:13

So I've got one here and you're going to have to help me because I'm reading my own notes. I don't know how to say her name. What is Moses's wife's name? Zipporah, zipporah, is that how you say it? Yeah, zipporah. Okay, so in the movie, zipporah is captured and brought to Egypt, correct, in the movie. In the movie. In the Bible, she was never taken to Egypt. Yep, moses meets her in Midian, midian, midian. Yes, this is correct, and that is Exodus, chapter 2, verses 16 through 21.

Speaker 2: 36:49

Yes, moses stays with Zipporah's father in his house Jethro.

Speaker 2: 36:57

Yeah, and they form a relationship in that Moses moses ends up marrying his daughter, zaporo, and they have children at the age of 40. Yeah well, mid, or you know mid of those days were, I guess, very, very fertile. The uh yeah, in the in the movie though, it's like she's like this exotic, like dancer, tizer, dancer type lady it's a little weird who gets captured only her, apparently and then, yeah, she escapes and and somehow knows how to get back home and makes it all the way back home and then because yeah, he helps her escape, correct, moses does kind of yeah, yeah, he's involved in helping her escape less of helps her escape and more of just follows.

Speaker 2: 37:54

That's right. He watches her leave. Yeah, he doesn't call the guards to stop her. He's like you know what I what?

Speaker 1: 38:00

I'm going to let her go. Let's see where this goes. And then later on meets her again. Yeah, they kind of give her a bigger role in the movie besides being the love interest. Yeah, or she is the love interest, so they give her a bigger role.

Speaker 2: 38:18

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 38:19

Because every good movie has a love interest.

Speaker 2: 38:20

Yep, which in the actual story she has a love interest as well.

Speaker 1: 38:24

Sure, but I feel like she has probably not as big a role as she did in the movie.

Speaker 2: 38:28

She actually has a bigger role because she saves Moses' life. When they're on their way back to Egypt, they go to sleep in the wilderness one night and basically God sends a spirit to kill. I don't remember if it's moses or just his son, but basically they're not circumcised. Or his children and zapora, or, yeah, his wife, circumcises their son on the spot and lays the foreskin at Moses' feet and saves Moses man.

Speaker 1: 39:04

So yeah, that was my favorite scene in that movie, she plays a fairly important role, jk. That's not in the movie guys, jk Rowling, jk Rowling.

Speaker 2: 39:17

JK rolling out of my chair To leave this movie.

Speaker 1: 39:21

No, oh, potter is the joke there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, leaving harry potter. You should all leave harry potter and go watch prince of egypt. Are you anti harry potter now, after next week? No, I still like harry potter. Oh yeah, so I've got one here. Okay, the burning bush scene is in the movie visually accurate but does not emphasize Moses' initial hesitation. But in the Bible Moses argues with God about his ability to lead, and that is Exodus 3, verses 11 through 14. Yeah, he does, he fights.

Speaker 2: 40:01

God a lot on that. He keeps on pushing back like I can't.

Speaker 1: 40:06

No, I can't do it, not me, god, somebody else.

Speaker 3: 40:10

No.

Speaker 2: 40:12

Yeah, that's true. He does give several responses, several excuses, yeah, and God shoots them all down. He's like dude. Oh God, I'm going to do what I want to do.

Speaker 1: 40:24

Fun fact about the movie Val Kilmer voices God in that movie from the Burning Bush. So Val Kilmer speaks to himself. Essentially, they imply that if you pay attention, god's voice is a multitude of voices, but the main voice speaking through it is kind of the person who's speaking to God. So in that sense, val Kilmer or sorry Moses is hearing himself in the multitude of voices. It's weird. It is kind of weird. So instead of God being an individual, he is everybody to a degree, which is not true. He is one God.

Speaker 2: 41:07

One God in three persons Father, son, holy Ghost, rock and roll.

Speaker 3: 41:14

Rock and roll.

Speaker 1: 41:15

So this one we kind of went over a little bit already. But in the movie Ramses is the ruler when Moses demands freedom for the people. In the Bible the Pharaoh's name is never specified. That is correct. They are. Also did we go over this? They're not brothers in the Bible.

Speaker 2: 41:34

We did go over that, I think but it's always good to bring that clarification Again they're not related whatsoever.

Speaker 1: 41:42

Probably the first time they ever met was when he went.

Speaker 2: 41:45

We should say, not just say they're not related, there's no relationship whatsoever, correct?

Speaker 1: 41:52

Yeah, so the Ramses is Pharaoh during the Exodus story. That's Exodus, chapter 5, verse 1, for all taking notes at home Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 2: 42:02

You're saying, in Exodus 5, verse 1, it specifies Ramses or it just says Pharaoh, it doesn't specify.

Speaker 1: 42:08

It specifies Pharaoh and him not having the name Ramses. Oh, okay, so pull that After we're Exodus 5. Exodus 5 chapter. Sorry, chapter 5, verse 1.

Speaker 2: 42:24

Afterward, moses and Aaron went and said to Pharaoh thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, let my people go, that they may hold a feast in the wilderness. But Pharaoh said who is the Lord? That I should obey his voice and let Israel go. And let Israel go. I do not know the Lord and, moreover, I will not let Israel go.

Speaker 2: 42:45

And then all God's wrath pours out on them. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, just as Pharaoh. Actually, I don't know if the Bible ever specifies any Pharaoh throughout the history of israel. I don't think it gives a name to any of the pharaohs, it just says pharaoh. I could be wrong someone can fact check me on that but I'm pretty sure that it's always just whoever is the ruler of egypt at the time. The bible just gives the title pharaoh to them and never specifies who they are.

Speaker 1: 43:21

So, on the note of the plagues that you mentioned a moment ago, legs, uh, not all 10 plagues are shown in the movie really, but in the bible all 10 plagues occur in full detail. Yes, and that's exodus, chapters 7 through 12. Do you know which ones are not displayed in the movie? I do not have those facts, honestly. I know I have my notes, but I feel like they showed them all in some form or fashion very quickly, or condensed some into as one single plague, something to that effect. Unfortunately, I did attempt to watch this movie, not unfortunately to watch it, but unfortunately as I attempted to watch this movie. Yeah, not unfortunately to watch it, but unfortunately as I attempted to watch this movie to prep for this. It is nowhere Currently it is nowhere to watch right now?

Speaker 2: 44:10

Yeah, you have to buy it somewhere, so it's not streaming on anything.

Speaker 1: 44:15

Yeah, so if you want to go watch it, as of this recording, it's very difficult to find a watch. You have to rent it.

Speaker 2: 44:22

You have to rent it. It was on Prime or Apple or YouTube or Apple yeah, which you should do.

Speaker 1: 44:28

You should watch this movie. Yeah, another fun one here. In the movie, aaron's role is diminished greatly. Oh yeah, greatly diminished.

Speaker 2: 44:42

And he's super negative in the movie.

Speaker 1: 44:44

Yeah, that's actually in my note here. It says in the movie Aaron is skeptical of Moses, but in the Bible Aaron is Moses's spokesperson and supports him. They almost kind of switched the role of Aaron and kind of gave Zipporah a lot of that kind of like she goes back with him. Zipporah, you said, is Moses' wife. Right, I feel like she was in the movie and it's been a minute since I've actually seen the movie.

Speaker 2: 45:11

You're talking about the supportive character being Moses' sister.

Speaker 1: 45:16

Sister, sorry, sorry, miriam, miriam, sorry.

Speaker 2: 45:18

You're right, yeah, no, wrong name, same idea, yeah idea.

Speaker 1: 45:33

Yeah, in the movie miriam is team moses and aaron has to be won over over time. Also fun fact if I'm not mistaken, aaron voiced by jeff goldblum in that movie yeah, I can hear it in my head the magicians.

Speaker 2: 45:44

Do you know who voices them? I'm looking right now. It's um, it's the duo, it's us, the. Okay, so the three caballero, or the, the three amigos. The other two guys, not chevy chase, but the other two guys, I cannot remember their names. It's steve, something, steve martin, and then I can't remember the other guy's name, martin Short. Yeah, steve Martin, martin Short. They are the magicians.

Speaker 1: 46:12

So you have Jeff Goldblum. Oh wow, so let's go to this Rockstar cast.

Speaker 2: 46:17

Let's go through this cast real quick Before you do. I just want to clarify on Aaron. In the Bible, moses doesn't make it into Egypt. Aaron meets him in the wilderness on his way to Egypt and then they go in together and Aaron is that. He's Moses' spokesperson the entire time. He is team Moses and he's right by Moses every step of the way through Israel being delivered and then going out of Egypt. Deliver yeah. So he I mean god even says like I will make you like a god to the people of egypt and aaron will be your high priest. So like yeah, aaron is on board 100 of the time during this time, whereas in the movie, yeah, he's like over time, gets on board with it.

Speaker 1: 47:07

So little in between, little mini quiz break. I'm going to give you the character. Do you want the character or the actor? And you have to guess who they played.

Speaker 2: 47:16

I'll probably have better success if you say the actor, and then I try and guess who they played.

Speaker 1: 47:20

Okay, so you already know about Val Kilmer, that's Moses Ralph Finans, that's Ramsey's Yep.

Speaker 2: 47:30

All right, kilmer, that's moses brow, finnans, that's ramses.

Speaker 1: 47:32

yep, all right, michelle pfeiffer michelle pfeiffer is gonna be miriam. Nope, uh, the let's just for the sake of time. If you get it wrong, we'll just move on. Pharaoh s zapora is michelle pfeiffer. Okay, sandra bullock, that is Miriam.

Speaker 2: 47:45

That's Miriam.

Speaker 1: 47:46

Yes, Jeff Goldblum. We talked about this already. Aaron Danny Glover, danny Glover, not Donald Glover, danny Glover. Yeah, jethro, it is Jethro. Patrick Stewart, patrick Stewart, sir Patrick Stewart, is he Pharaoh Like Ramsay's dad? Yep, stewart Patrick.

Speaker 2: 48:06

Stewart, sir Patrick Stewart, is he Pharaoh?

Speaker 1: 48:10

Like Ramsay's dad, yep Pharaoh Seti Seti. And then we talked about Steve Martin. You wouldn't give me the names of each character, but in Martin Short are Hotep and Hoy, hotep and Hoy. And then I got one last one Heron Mirren, heron, mirren, heron.

Speaker 2: 48:30

Mirren, helen Mirren, helen Mirren. My bad Is that Moses' Egyptian mom. Yes, there we go.

Speaker 1: 48:43

There we go. There we go. Yep, sorry, I was double checking to make sure we got them all. We did, so you got all of them right. There we go. Yep, sorry, I was double checking to make sure we got them all. We did, so you got all of them right.

Speaker 2: 48:50

Excellent Congratulations, because I misnamed one of them. The Zipporah is Pfeiffer, pfeiffer, pfeiffer.

Speaker 1: 49:00

So I've got three more for you, and you want to rapid fire them real quick? Or would you like to go deep? Let's just deep dive it and see where it takes. Okay, let's do that. So I have ramses survives the red sea in the movie. Okay, ramses is stranded alone, but survives yeah, that's the movie. Yep, in the bible, pharaoh's army is completely destroyed. Yeah, and that's Exodus, chapter 14, verse 28.

Speaker 2: 49:26

Yep. So in the Bible it doesn't clarify. If Pharaoh maybe it does. What's the what's the reference?

Speaker 1: 49:35

I don't want to misspeak on this Exodus, chapter 14, verse 28. And what's funny is like he gets like dash across some rocks and he's sitting there stranded, like no, I've lost, yeah, yeah, but no, like they are wiped out.

Speaker 2: 49:53

The waters returned and covered the chariots and the horsemen of all the host of Pharaoh that had followed them into the sea. Not one of them remained, but the people of Israel walked on dry ground through the sea. Yeah of them remained, but the people of Israel walked on dry ground through the sea. Yeah, so the Lord, let's skip it down to verse 30. Thus the Lord saved Israel that day from the hand of the Egyptians, and Israel saw the Egyptians dead on the seashore. Israel saw the great power that the Lord used against the Egyptians. So the people feared the Lord and they believed in the Lord and in his servant Moses. So it doesn't really specify that exactly that Pharaoh died, but it makes it clear that the Egyptians all died.

Speaker 1: 50:40

But we kind of talked about that too. That do you believe? After saying you know we speculated that Pharaoh being in a high place would even bother going out to it, do you think he would have been in that chariot, you know, in that military storm going towards bringing back the Egyptians? It's not biblical, so it's just speculation.

Speaker 2: 51:02

Yeah, it would be speculation, but I think that there would be. Yeah, it would be speculation, but I think that there would be. Like in the movie, ramsey's just has this overwhelming he's consumed with, with being strong and even like, when he finally gives in, it is like you can, and then he changes his mind to come after them. It's all about I'm going to show my military might and we're going to kill him. We're going to get him and we're going to kill him, and then his entire army is swept away from him and it ends with him having nothing. He doesn't have an army, he doesn't have a kingdom, he doesn't have his child, he doesn't have anything. So, child, he doesn't have anything. So ultimately he becomes the weak link in the chain, like in the movie, and that's like what he doesn't want to do.

Speaker 2: 51:54

So but in the story it's hard to say because there's evidence that the kings would go out to battle at a certain time of year. So it references that in 2 Samuel because that's where the whole scenario with David and Bathsheba occurs. It just says that rather than David going out with his army, as kings would do, he decided to stay back and sent his general Joab to go and lead the army. So it would seem that kings would lead their armies. But was he at the front of the army, leading the charge into the Dead Sea or into the Red Sea, like in the movie? Probably not. I mean, maybe we don't know, because it doesn't say so. It's all speculation.

Speaker 1: 52:46

It's all speculation, we just don't know. I thought this one was funny. It's a correction and it's like it's just to me. This was silly because I was getting some of my stuff from online and some of these facts. Okay, it says no golden calf scene was in this movie.

Speaker 2: 53:03

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:05

But it's kind of just like like yeah, because it cut off before it happened. It's not like it did. They did not show it. It's that where the movie cuts off is him walking from the mountain after getting the ten commandments yeah, which is the part where?

Speaker 1: 53:21

golden cat. I guess that would be part of it. You're right, they don't show, but they have to have a nice little bow on the end of this movie. Yeah, yeah so, but if you want to know what? Uh? So again, my notes say the movie ends with moses receiving the ten commandments. Yeah, yeah, but in the bible the israelites build and worship a golden calf while he goes up to the mountain to convene with god. Yeah, this is true, and they're just like. We don't know how it happened, it just showed up.

Speaker 2: 53:49

Yeah, he's gone, for I think it's 40 days, and so they're like, as far as this Moses guy goes, he's probably dead. So, aaron, give us a God to worship. And so Aaron's like okay, bring me all your wives necklaces, but you pause in a really bad place there.

Speaker 2: 54:09

Okay, bring me all your wives. No, bring me all the jewelry. And then he makes a golden calf. And then, when Moses comes down, aaron's like well, all these people, all these wicked people. They were telling me I had to make them an idol. And so we just threw the gold into the fire and the calf came out. And just imagine Jeff Goldblum's voice and it just came out.

Speaker 1: 54:42

And so for my final movie differences yep, to the Bible, the the song when you Believe. It's not actually. It's not in the song, no, it's actually when they sing. It is inaccurate. Okay, so in the movie, the Hebrews sing this as they leave Egypt yeah, but in the Bible the Israelites sing after the Red Sea victory yes, so, and that's Exodus, chapter 15, verse one, which is.

Speaker 2: 55:13

I believe it's Miriam's song. I think is.

Speaker 1: 55:17

Miriam and Zipporah sing it together.

Speaker 2: 55:20

Well, in the movie. But I'm saying in the Bible I'm talking about the characters. Yes, they sing it together. I'm saying in the Bible I'm talking about the characters yes, they sing it together. Yeah, yeah, the characters in the movie sing it together. But I'm saying in the Bible it's acknowledged as this section of the song is Miriam's song. Oh, I see. Or the song is Miriam's song. They're singing about all the women are singing about deliverance and stuff.

Speaker 1: 55:41

So that's all I have. What's your?

Speaker 2: 55:44

favorite song from this movie. I think the opener Deliver Us hits really hard. Deliver us, but Thus Say the Lord is also really good.

Speaker 1: 55:53

That's the plague song, right, yeah, yeah, that's my favorite song.

Speaker 2: 55:56

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 55:56

Thus say the Lord, you will let my people go Go. Yeah, that was good, my people Go, Go, go.

Speaker 1: 56:10

Yeah, that was good. So that's the Prince of Egypt, do you?

Speaker 2: 56:18

want to get some small quick bonus. Other movies yes, because I did not.

Speaker 1: 56:22

You didn't come with anything, so this is what we're going to do. No, I'm kidding, so this is what we're going to do. No, I'm kidding, so this is what we're going to do.

Speaker 2: 56:36

I've got nine, so here's like. I got paperwork, everybody, so don't worry. Yeah, Jairus baffled me because he showed up with notes.

Speaker 1: 56:40

I showed up with five pages of notes. This has never happened before.

Speaker 2: 56:45

I'm going to throw you under the bus.

Speaker 1: 56:46

You can prepare it in your own way, but so there's a few on here that just because I've never seen the movie, I think we'll skip over. But so go ahead and read, um, read those okay so really I'm not to do those three. So let's look at Okay.

Speaker 2: 57:10

First off Ben-Hur.

Speaker 1: 57:11

Yes, well, it's in there because it has Bible stories in the Ben-Hur. It takes place during Bible stories, so it intertwines, so I thought that was interesting to throw in there. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2: 57:24

The Ben-Hur movie is good and the newer one that they came out with Was okay. No, it was powerful, was it? I've never seen it, because it really like it brings an emphasis on the resurrection of Christ in a whole other way and it gives you the perspective of, like these are Jews who are just trying to live their life or whatever, and Ben-Hur is being controlled by vengeance because he's been done wrong, and the resurrection of Christ happens and it shatters the paradigm that he's created for himself of vengeance and exacting vengeance.

Speaker 1: 58:01

So this would be one of those historical fiction type films, correct?

Speaker 2: 58:05

Yeah, based around a true films Correct. Yeah, based around a true event Correct. So a fictional character who's experiencing a historical event, but yeah, I remember really liking it. But the 2016 one, but yeah, I just I don't think of it as a Bible adaptation, but I mean it does have the resurrection of Christ in it, so there's that, anyways, okay, so you've got Passion of the Christ on here.

Speaker 1: 58:32

Let's save that one for last, okay, because I think that's like one of those big ones.

Speaker 2: 58:38

Okay, the Ten Commandments, the 1956. You want to do that one? You got it. I mean no, I got it. I'm asking if you want me to read it.

Speaker 1: 58:46

Yeah, go ahead. So it's funny, there's several, several movies based off of Moses, because I've got one over here as well, and then the Ten Commandments, and I believe there's another one over here that I skipped over. No, sorry, that's King David, is the movie over there?

Speaker 2: 59:04

Okay, yeah, sorry, that's King David. Is the movie over there? Okay, yeah, Okay, the Ten Commandments Pharaoh the first one is Pharaoh's daughter, not Pharaoh's wife adopts Moses. Which we went over in the Prince of Egypt.

Speaker 3: 59:17

Yep.

Speaker 1: 59:18

I guess that is a very easy way of doing that. To have a mother figure instead, yeah, like a queen making him the prince type thing.

Speaker 2: 59:27

yeah, yeah, so the next line on this says no evidence of moses having a romance with nefertari. I have no idea who that is, nefertari. I guess we'd have to watch the movie. We'd have to see the movie.

Speaker 1: 59:43

I'm what's cool? I know about that because when he is, there's a really cool movie effect done in that, yeah, where when he's showing the Ten Commandments, the sky's billowing with really cool purple waves and stuff. And in 1956, that effect was really just so mind-blowing. All they did was they were dumping glitter and powder through water. It was creating these cool cycles, and then they imposed that in the sky, so what you're seeing is actually dust, particles and stuff flowing through water. Okay, and then they imposed that up in the sky in the movie, so it looks like these really big, thick clouds billowing.

Speaker 2: 1:00:23

If only someone had explained to them chemtrails, they could have gotten that effect. Yeah right, billowing. And if only someone had explained to them chemtrails, they could have gotten that effect. Yeah right, wow, the, the sky just lines. Uh, okay, moses flees egypt because pharaoh wants him dead, not voluntarily.

Speaker 1: 1:00:42

So again, we went over that one as well, interesting yeah, number four.

Speaker 2: 1:00:45

The Number four. The film exaggerates Pharaoh and Moses' direct confrontations.

Speaker 1: 1:00:53

Again, they must have been inspired by the Ten Commandments when making the Prince of Egypt.

Speaker 2: 1:00:59

Yeah, that's what it sounded like. Moses receives the commandments with Israel witnessing, not alone, which is not true. Moses is alone when he receives the Ten Commandments and the reference for that is Exodus 19, verses 16 through 18, according to these notes, my notes, your notes.

Speaker 1: 1:01:22

Okay, so I have. Let's go to another Moses Exodus story. Okay, exodus, gods and Kings, which came out in 2014. Good old Christian Bale Is that who was in that? Yeah, yeah, nice. So in that, moses is a warrior, though in the Bible never describes him as such. No, duh, yeah, he's duh, yeah, he's God's warrior.

Speaker 2: 1:01:50

Well, okay, because here's the deal. Most of Moses' story happens after he's 40.

Speaker 1: 1:01:58

Mm-hmm, but like in God's, God's, and Is it God's and King's?

Speaker 2: 1:02:04

God's and King's yeah. Yeah, he's like in his 30s getting into his 40s kind of deal yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:02:10

You know, so so not the best age for fighting.

Speaker 2: 1:02:14

Moses probably did some fighting, sure If he's a part of nobility in Egypt. But yeah, by the time he gets 40, he's probably not doing a whole lot of it.

Speaker 1: 1:02:25

Anyways, okay, so I'm going to rapid fire a little bit quicker through these. Okay, I got number two here. In exodus, gods and kings, god appears as a child instead of speaking from a burning bush. Yeah, that always frustrated me, so I've never actually seen this movie. Is it worth watching?

Speaker 2: 1:02:40

from what I remember, it's okay, but the biggest issue that I had is that they treat god like they make God. They depict God as a child. He manifests as a child in the movie and he acts childish to an extent in some of it.

Speaker 1: 1:02:59

So already reading this number three making me think I don't want to watch this movie. But the plagues are explained as natural disasters rather than miracles. I don't remember that, but yeah, probably, probably uh number four moses leads an armed rebellion, which is never in the bible. That is correct never armed rebellion oh geez, the red sea parts as a receding tide rather than towering walls of water. Yeah, sounds like this is one of those movies. Probably pass on, not a good adaptation of the movie. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:03:33

It doesn't do a great job. It's like that Noah movie that came out with.

Speaker 1: 1:03:36

Hey, guess what Is that all there? My second one, and this will be my last one. Then we'll end with that one, noah. Yeah, I didn't even watch it, but some of the stuff that I heard about it I was like that is just grossly inaccurate so so, funny enough, both these came out in 2014, so I think there was probably a kick of some movie studios really wanting to make bible stories. Yeah, but take artistic liberties within making extreme artistic, making it an abomination of what the story originally was from yeah, yeah yeah, so I have.

Speaker 1: 1:04:09

And again, I haven't seen this either. Yeah, but these just sounded so silly. You know what I mean. But I have the Watchers in quotation. Rock angels do not exist in the biblical story. Yeah, whatever that is.

Speaker 2: 1:04:23

It is. It's from the Book of Enoch. Ah yeah, ah yeah. Well okay, so there's a couple of different texts that get compiled under the identity the Book of Enoch, but there's actually the Book of Enoch, the Book of the Watchers, and there's a couple of other ones, but that's where they get that idea.

Speaker 1: 1:04:43

That good old Apocrypha.

Speaker 2: 1:04:44

Yeah, no, it's not the Apocrypha, it's something totally different, but it.

Speaker 1: 1:04:49

What am I thinking of? What are the books of the Bible that quote unquote have been taken out, but they're more like fan fiction. Is that the Apocrypha?

Speaker 2: 1:04:58

So the Catholics have the Apocrypha in their Bible. Okay, I got you. It is extra Jewish writings, like the Maccabees is in that. In the Apocrypha there's Daniel. There's another book that talks about the prophet Daniel and a couple of different things that happened to him. There's an alternate to the Esther. There's a couple of things, but that's the Apocrypha. It's just extra Jewish literature.

Speaker 1: 1:05:24

But isn't it kind of the equivalent of us having Chronicles of Narnia today? It's kind of fan fiction to a degree.

Speaker 2: 1:05:32

No, the Maccabees actually happened. It is a historical narrative. It's just not. It happens in the 400 years of silence, the story of the Maccabees, because it's about them basically fighting off the tyranny of the Greeks and having victory over the Greeks, like a year or two before the Romans come in.

Speaker 1: 1:06:01

Okay, so then I just completely misunderstood that they're not divinely inspired by God Gotcha, but they are historical Hebrew literature.

Speaker 2: 1:06:17

But the book of Enoch? There's not a whole lot of clarity as to where it comes from. So it is an ancient text, but who wrote it? When wrote it? When did they write it, Kind of a thing, I think that's still debated. So in that is the Watchers and the Rock Angels.

Speaker 1: 1:06:32

Yeah, rock Angels. So number two, noah is portrayed as unstable, while the Bible calls him righteous. Correct, correct. Tubal Khan or Tubal Cain sneaks onto the Ark, which never happens in the Bible. Pretty sure Tubal-Cain is dead.

Speaker 2: 1:06:48

At this point. I could be wrong.

Speaker 1: 1:06:51

And then the last one I have here for this is Noah nearly kills his own grandchildren, which is not biblical. Oh yeah, Happens in that movie.

Speaker 2: 1:07:01

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:07:02

So, yeah, okay. So let's end on what I think is probably, besides Prince of Egypt, probably one of the most famous biblical adaptations of the Bible.

Speaker 2: 1:07:13

Yes, the Passion of the Christ, otherwise known as the Catholic Interpretation of Jesus. I mean, it is Mel Gibson's mind. No, he did a good job. He did a good job, okay. First one Jesus falls multiple times carrying the cross, which is not recorded in the Bible. Oh, come on what? Okay, I mean, I guess, but we don't know. That wasn't important to them how many times he fell. It was important to Mel Gibson. Yeah, okay, satan is shown observing events, which is not mentioned in the Bible.

Speaker 1: 1:08:05

And I want to add to that, biblically speaking, satan is not mentioned in the bible. And I want to add to that, biblically speaking, satan is not a woman. Satan is played by a woman in that movie.

Speaker 2: 1:08:13

Yes, this is true.

Speaker 1: 1:08:17

Satan is played by a woman in the movie a bald shaved, everything plucked, eyelashes, no hair at all on this woman's head.

Speaker 2: 1:08:28

I think that I do believe that the Bible refers to Satan in the masculine sense. Could be wrong on that, but I'm pretty sure that it does give him a male gender, not to say that he has a gender because he's a spirit, but it does personify him in the male sense. Yeah, so okay. Mary witnesses all moments of jesus's suffering, which is not confirmed oh, like the beating with rods and stuff yeah, she is there in every moment there to have somebody to watch him suffer in that movie.

Speaker 1: 1:09:07

I guess, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:09:08

She is there at the crucifixion, though, and this gives a reference of John 19.25, which I'm assuming. I'm pretty sure that's the verse where he tells John this is your mother, you know? Like basically saying like, take care of Mary. So she is there at the crucifixion, but did she watch all the the beating and lashing and all that stuff? Yeah, nobody knows. All right, the movie exaggerates jesus's torture beyond biblical description that movie is very violent yes, yeah, I.

Speaker 2: 1:09:45

I mean they don't go into graphic detail of what it was like, they just give a summary of what it is. But other historical literature goes into detail of what a beating, especially a Roman beating, would look like.

Speaker 1: 1:10:02

So that's why he he, mel Gibson does a good job of trying to be historically accurate to what it would have looked like the crucifixion, the beating, all of it, but when we're comparing it not to how things would go in that time period, but based off of the Bible, it is technically inaccurate to the Bible.

Speaker 2: 1:10:26

No, it's not because and this is why I'll say it's not because in the Bible it just says that he was beaten or lashed 40 times minus two, I think, is what it says. But the only reason that it doesn't explain and it ripped his skin and his flesh from his back and everything it's because they didn't need that description. Anyone who of that time reading the text would know exactly what a beating with whips and cords would be like. Anyone in that time in the Roman Empire would know exactly what a crucifixion on a cross would look like, because it happened all the time. What a crucifixion on a cross would look like, because it happened all the time.

Speaker 2: 1:11:08

So, them explaining what happened to Christ, no one needed a description of the details of how it looked. They needed to understand that this is what happened. A totally innocent man was given a brutal beating and death, execution, death, and the reason is because he is the sacrificial lamb for sin, you know. So that's the big thing is they don't go into detail of what it looked like, like Jesus getting beaten and hung on the cross and everything, because everyone knows what that looks like. They were given a. You know, this is who Jesus is and this is what happened to him and this is why it happened, kind of deal. So okay, number five a crow pecks at the thief's eye, which is a dramatic addition.

Speaker 1: 1:11:57

Yeah, the bible doesn't really talk about it.

Speaker 2: 1:11:59

But again, as you said, it's possible yeah, but the issue is like I know crows and they're not exactly like birds, that they're not outgoing birds they're very kind of. For the most part they're pretty timid, whereas in this story it's like there's a bunch of people around, a bunch of stuff's going on. It's like, oh, a crow just randomly flew over and started pecking at his eye. It's like I don't know if a crow would do that. Maybe another kind of scavenger bird who's used to crucifixions happening would be like, okay, I'm going to go do this, but I think that's just a movie trope. Yeah, it has to be a crow and they have to be pecking at somebody's eyes.

Speaker 1: 1:12:47

And we got to do this because the rest of the movie is violent. So we got to do another violent thing. Yeah, exactly. So All right, but yeah, that's all I have.

Speaker 2: 1:12:58

That's all we got. I wanted to end it on. You know there are creative liberties taken in making these Bible movies creative liberties taken in making these Bible movies, but I do know some people that they watch the movies, they watch the TV shows and they take their interpretations from what they watched and they don't approach scripture and see what scripture actually says. So it is important for us to make sure that we are reading our Bibles. If you go to statistiacom this is where I got this statistic 11% of Americans read their Bible daily. Very small amount, very small. So we need to be reading our Bibles more so that we know who God is, so that we can make him known. And really we should be taking our interpretation from our studies, from Scripture, with the Holy Spirit guiding us, not from what we watch on the screen, which, comparing that 11% of Americans read the Bible daily to majority of adults in America are on screens averaging five to seven hours a day.

Speaker 2: 1:14:04

You know some people are productive on screens. I mean at your work. You're in front of a screen for work. You have to like you can't do your job, sure, unless you've got a screen, you know. But let's be honest, most of us, we're still logging the same amount of hours as you, but we're watching videos or we're scrolling through social media or we're doing something that's not really productive. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1: 1:14:28

Let me tell you this it's not hard to find some way to intake the word of God. Yes, and the reason why I say intake is because my main source is it's about a 30 to 45 minute car ride to work for me, yep.

Speaker 1: 1:14:44

I listened to an audio book of the Bible driving to work. Well, me and my wife are going through a Bible course through the year. We started in January. We're going to make it through the whole Bible by the end of the year, at least on the Bible app, a chapter of the Bible is maybe at most five minutes long. You can make it through a whole book of the Bible in an hour. Yeah, yeah, it's not hard to get through a large chunk of the Bible in a short period of time. Yeah, it's all about priorities, people, that's right.

Speaker 2: 1:15:18

Priorities. Well, that's all we got. That's right. So we hope you guys enjoyed this. Let us know what your favorite part of the Prince of Egypt movie, what's your favorite part? What's your favorite song from that movie? Deliver Us. Yeah, and if there was a movie that we didn't list that you have watched and you liked or you want to talk about, do you?

Speaker 1: 1:15:44

want a part two of this.

Speaker 2: 1:15:45

Yeah, let us know if you want a part two and we you want a part two of this? Yeah, let us know if you want a part two, and we'll do a part two of Bible movies, or maybe we'll do Bible shows next time.

Speaker 1: 1:15:53

Bible shows. There is a Bible show that I want me and you to watch. There's only a pilot right now. Yeah, the YouTube thing, yeah, be on the lookout for that. We're going to be doing kind of like a I'm going to commit to this now. We're going to do a watch along of this YouTube Bible show. It's based on Moses. Yep, I remember you telling me about it. I'll give you a little bit quick. It's based off of the story of Moses after they flee Egypt and they're in the wilderness for the 40 years. It's filmed like that. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's based off of that, but it's filmed like the comedy and how they interview people like the Office. Yeah, yeah, I remember you talking about that. So I want us to watch that and because it's on YouTube, everybody listening can do a nice little watch along with us.

Speaker 2: 1:16:42

There we go.

Speaker 1: 1:16:43

So be on the lookout for that in the near future.

Speaker 2: 1:16:46

All right. Well, there you have it. We hope you enjoyed the episode.

Speaker 1: 1:16:50

I did. That has been episode 25.

Speaker 2: 1:16:53

Episode 25 of the Saints to Serve podcast. And you guys, we love you, please, please, engage, engage, comment, share, like, subscribe. All of the above. We love you, we need you, christ is Lord and the kingdom is now.

Speaker 1: 1:17:14

We are the saints that serve. And to close out the episode, here is John with his full rendition of the song Deliver Us from the major motion picture picture the Prince of Egypt.

Speaker 3: 1:17:50

Bud, sand, water, straw, faster, with the sting of the whip on my shoulder, with the salt of my sweat on my brow. Elohim, God on high, can you hear your people cry? Help us now, this dark hour. Deliver us here I call. Deliver us, lord of all. Remember us here in this burning sand. Deliver us. There's a land you promised us. Deliver us To the promised land. There you go, there you go.