Saints That Serve Podcast

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Welcome to the Saints that Serve , podcast where , each week , your hosts dive into the crossroads of faith , culture and the unknown .

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Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now . We are the Saints that Serve . Welcome to the Saints that Serve podcast . I'm Jairus and I'm Johnny the Johnster , the Johnny Neater . I think I made that joke last week already the Johnster joke yeah , yeah , but that's okay no , it wasn't last week . It was episode two where I made that you know what's crazy .

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This is episode four of the Saints that Serve podcast oh yeah , baby , oh yeah , we are getting up there in age , episodio Quattro . That's right , we are doing great . So , about to hit that fifth episode that we promised , about to break it , we're going to do it . We're going to do it . Remember , at the 500th episode , the Lord is coming back . 501st , oh , that's right . 501st , oh , that's right . 501st . And then we're going to hear the glorious horns , the trumpet sounding .

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And the Lord will descend in mighty justice and glory . That's right .

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So episode four . Today , as of the launch of this episode , october 7th , we are in spooky season and Oktoberfest .

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Oktoberfest . I think that's on the 7th . What is Oktoberfest ? It's just a German excuse to drink beer From a shoe right .

Speaker 1 1:59

Sure Doss boot , we'll say it . Okay , so before we get started , you got some announcements for us , big guy . Yeah , I got two announcements .

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One if you want to join our online bible study , it's on our discord channel , the saints that serve bible study . Um , if you'd like to be invited , reach out to us through any of our platforms Instagram , facebook , or you can email us at thesaintsthatserveatgmailcom . So that's thesaintsthatserveatgmailcom , it's nothing else . Don't try anything else , just do thesaintsthatserveatgmailcom .

Speaker 1 2:42

That's correct . We in the first couple of episodes did say Saints that Serves . I think I was able to cut it out of the second one and fix it , but I think it's still in the first one . If you have sent us something to the Saints that Serves , saintsthatserves . At gmailcom . We didn't get your email , yeah , so please don't think we ignored you . Resend it To the right one , to the right one , which is the saints that serve at gmailcom 100% .

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It'll also be linked in the bio for this show .

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That's right . And , speaking also in LinkedIn , the bio of this show episode . I think it's . I think it's in every episode . If you go to the description , go all the way down to the bottom , there's a little link that says something along the lines of click here to send us a , uh , a message . You can also text us . So if you click that , we will get that as well , and the other announcement .

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Keep in mind all the ways we just said to reach out to us we're doing , starting in october , it's pray for you .

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Fridays Pray For Me Friday .

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Well , I mean , yeah , we're all going to pray for you , jairus , I need it . Yeah , pray for you Friday . So if you need prayer for anything , you have prayer requests or you're having a hard time , whatever it is , just reach out to us through social . You can text us through that link at the bottom of the show , at the bottom of the episode bio , or you can email us at thesaintsthatserve at gmailcom with your requests and we will be praying for you .

Speaker 1 4:14

So we will pray for you at any time . Don't get that misconstrued . Is that the right way to say that ?

Speaker 2 4:21

No , anytime you reach out to us with a prayer request , we will lift it up in prayer , but on Friday will be our time as a community . We're lifting you up as a community , our community prayer time , our prayer day , if you will , where we'll be praying throughout the day as a community 100% . That's all I got and I'm ready to go into the episode whenever you are .

Speaker 1 4:42

I am ready . Give me about 20 minutes . I got to go . Yeah , let's go . All right , so you ready , I'm ready , are you ?

Speaker 2 4:51

ready , yep . So tell me , what did you do a couple of weeks ago ? Oh boy , while I was on the beach collecting shells , did it rain on you while you were there ? I mean yeah , but like we didn't get rained out . Yeah , it did rain , like we're getting rained out right this very second yeah , everyone's getting rained out of house and home right now , on September 25th , that's correct when the hurricane Helena that's right Is coming through 100% . Anyways , yep , right , it's coming through .

Speaker 1 5:24

A hundred percent . Anyways , Yep , Tell me about your Florida trip . Yeah , so , uh again , we are uh in spooky season , Um , so the month of October we are going to go into , um , a little bit more , how would you say , spooky topics we're going to yeah , we're going to attack not attack . We're going to , we , we're going to attack , not attack , we are going to attack the devil .

Speaker 2 5:46

Yeah , we're going to attack the devil , we're going to punch him right in his dirty face , but we're going to talk about several different big events that happen during spooky season that people tend to do Kind of how do we address or face those as Christians , correct ? So this week we're talking about drum roll .

Speaker 1 6:06

Nah , I don't have one on the board . I got to get this board fixed . Um , so me and my wife went to um Florida while you were in Florida .

Speaker 2 6:18

Uh , and was you right there ? I give you a perfect setup to just and emphatically say haunted houses . And then you didn't .

Speaker 1 6:27

All right Set me up , then my emotions are hurt .

Speaker 2 6:30

Let me fix it I don't want to do it now .

Speaker 1 6:32

All right . So , yeah , we went to some haunted houses in Florida , went to SeaWorld , which they have their Halloween event , hallow Scream , and then Universal Studios has their event Halloween Horror Nights . So we went last year to Halloween Horror Nights . Didn't go that great with getting into anything Super crowded , rained , waited in line for two hours to do like one thing . Decided to go back again this year . While we were there , we were like like let's go to sea world too . So over the course of the weekend we went to like 15 different houses that's a lot of nuts , that's a lot of nuts . And while we were there , um , you know , just I think we had a overall pretty fun time overall , overall what about under all ?

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under all under is that like overalls you wear , but under under armor it's ? Yeah , it's underwear , overalls , oh , okay , gotcha . So , um , I won't go into like a lot of detail in all the different houses . Yeah , because for the most part they were for me spiritually , because that's the point For me spiritually personally it was fine . I was fine spiritually . I had a good time because we kind of talked about this a little bit outside of the podcast and you kind of addressed that like you kind of summed up pretty well I like the set design , the creation aspect of things . Yeah , and the difference between HowlScream and HHN is that HHN is high quality , high budget , really detailed sets and that was really good . That was really fun to be part of . Yeah , except for one house . Okay , really fun to be part of . Yeah , except for one house , okay . And uh , so have you ever seen the terrible movie for you spiritually insidious ?

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I've heard of it ironically . Yes , I have seen the movie , the very first one that came out insidious and I'm just gonna go on a little bit of a tangent here . Go ahead , take those reins . I

Haunted Date Night at Hooters

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went to . Okay , this was before I was married . This was before devoutly seeking the Lord . This was the first mistake , right ? A girl asked me out on a date . That was the mistake .

Speaker 2 9:01

Yeah , red flags whenever a girl asks you out , I'm not trying to be rude or sexist or anything , but if a girl asks me out , I'm going to be like hold up , Wait a minute . Anyways , they're not going to anymore because I'm married and I'm never getting .

Speaker 1 9:16

Congratulations , wouldn't that happen .

Speaker 2 9:17

I'm going to be married till the day I die To the love of my life and her name is beautiful . Yeah , my life and her name is beautiful . Yeah , anyways , no . So this girl asked me out on a date . I was like , okay , we met to eat before the movie . I ordered the most expensive thing on the menu . I'll give you one guess what the restaurant was mcdonald's hooters oh geez she .

Speaker 1 9:46

She took me to hooters . Is that the hooters ? That's in front of the movie theater .

Speaker 2 9:53

That's why yeah , so we went to hooters . I'd never been to hooters . That's the only time I've been to hooters , is that one time I had their wings because apparently they're supposed to be good , not that great . And then we went and watched the movie and the movie was insidious and I was like this is awful , like once again , yes , not really seeking the lord , not really , you know , spiritually aware , and that hit a nerve . So and then , you know , we went home after the date or whatever , and that was . We didn't go out on another date , I was just , I was like this is overall a bust .

Speaker 1 10:29

She sat there and she was like he took me to Hooters in a horror movie . No , even though she chose all those things right , she took no , because she drove .

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She took me to Hooters in a horror movie . And now you know , it's just lesson learned .

Speaker 1 10:47

She said watch out , because this is going to be your marriage life if we stick together .

Speaker 2 10:51

Yeah , no , if she's listening to the episode , then you know what . You're an awesome girl , and that was just a weird date . You're an awesome girl , just not for me yep , I'm happily married to my beautiful and I will be married to her for the rest of my life . Okay , gross , so that was my side tangent . But yeah , that movie's stupid .

Speaker 1 11:12

It's not . Here's the thing , in my opinion . It's not stupid , it's not poorly made , and that's partly the problem with it , because that makes it more real and more of a problem for you spiritually .

Speaker 2 11:26

Yeah , Now that I'm sanctified and seeking the Lord and I've experienced demonic manifestation , the idea of the movie . Can I just talk about the movie real ?

Speaker 1 11:38

quick , yeah , we can get back , because again it is spooky season . It is spooky season .

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And so , before we go any further , disclaimer if you have any kids that get scared easy , maybe don't let them listen to this portion of the podcast . Right , we can put like a timestamp on the portion not to listen to . But yeah , so it's a horror movie and the concept is that it's a father and son and in the movie the son is like being Can .

Speaker 1 12:08

I interrupt you there , yeah , because unfortunately I did watch it fairly recently , so it's fresh in my mind for the first time .

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Okay .

Speaker 1 12:15

So it's a whole family . It was like a mom , a dad .

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But not in the first movie .

Speaker 1 12:20

No , in the first movie , the mom too yeah . Oh yeah , it was movie no in the first movie , the mom too .

Speaker 2 12:29

Yeah , oh yeah it was like um two , uh , two parents and two children . No , but I know it's three kids . I mean being attacked .

Speaker 1 12:34

The whole family was being attacked in the movie yeah , but the like the okay .

Speaker 2 12:37

So there's a demon who's trying to get control over the body of the kid . Yes , and in the ? So yeah , there's . There's a whole family and they're all experiencing these things , but this demon's trying to basically possess the child and through the , and they're like going into , like a spiritual .

Speaker 1 12:58

So the kid on . Yeah , so unbeknownst , essentially , something happens . The kid is then um , kind of like be put in a coma and they don't know why . And they find out later on that he's able to astral project into like what's called the further . I think yeah , and then so that then opens , leaves his body open for a possession . Yeah , and so the dad goes in to try and rescue the kid , because apparently the kid inherited this ability from the dad too .

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The dad and that's when they found out that the dad was actually struggling with the same thing , because he has this old lady , spirit , witch , spirit , thing that was after him , and then the boy has something different .

Speaker 1 13:42

Yeah , and the only reason why we're going to detail on this is to also kind of talk about the house , yeah .

Speaker 2 13:48

So but at the core of it , the movie is about possession , astral projection and then demonic possession of your body . And that is a that is a real thing . People , people do spiritually ask , have an out of body experience , right , mm-hmm ? But when you do these rituals it opens you up to the demonic spiritual realm , the demonic side of the spiritual realm , mm-hmm . And the Bible makes it clear if your spiritual home is vacant , then wandering spirits will come in and see that it's vacant and they will take up residence . So if you're not filled with the Holy Spirit and you're not practicing that discernment that comes from the Holy Spirit , then you're opening yourself up to demonic possession . Yes , so that's the core of the movie . Uh , demonic possession , and it is real . It does happen in the world today . It's not made up , unlike some horror movies that it's like it . It's scary , but it's a total made up deal that doesn't really happen .

Speaker 1 15:01

And I think I want to get on that for a minute and we might be stepping on toes for a future episodes , but we'll wing it .

Speaker 1 15:09

Um . So , talking about this in my personal conviction on scary movies , right , I'm okay with watching a thriller , right about like , let's say , a um , like a , a cop hunting down a serial killer , anything with michael jackson in it . Thriller , that's right . Yeah , so I'm okay with those kind of movies and I'm also okay with and this is where it's probably going to be a little bit more debatable , and that's okay like if you want to express your opinion on this , but like if it is something that has something demonic in it but it's good versus evil in that sense and in a positive put kind of religious light . And I have a movie example to that as well , which is , yeah , go ahead , the conjuring we . I watched that fairly recently and you can give your opinion on it . Again , I didn't feel spiritually attacked like I did watching Insidious , because it is . I don't think they're Christian , I think they're Catholic , but it is a religious family .

Speaker 2 16:21

Catholics can be Christian .

Speaker 1 16:23

Okay , we'll go with that . Then , yeah , family catholics can be christian . Okay , we'll go , we'll go with that . Yeah , so it's a catholic family going to help somebody to do what we do or should do as christians to cast out something evil , correct , okay , yeah . So , and I think that I say that to kind of give that example of what I'm spiritually okay with watching a thrill or something that is again thrilling , it's not horror based . And then if it is horror , demonic based , it is 100% getting rid of that presence and I feel like in the , in the insidious , they were just surviving . Yeah , yeah , and it was . It didn't it felt cause , I mean spoil on the movie they lose at the end . Yeah , so it's like that . That doesn't help . Okay , yeah . So do you have anything else to say on that ?

Speaker 2 17:11

No , I was just trying to get to it so we could get into the haunted house .

Spiritual Warfare and Entertainment Discernment

Speaker 1 17:15

So with the haunted house , it is that exactly , that you go through it and you're going through scenes of the movie and you're going through moments and all this stuff and I only saw the first movie . I think it was all of them throughout the uh , throughout the house . Yeah , but you run into the all the different antagonists throughout the series I didn't recognize except for the one main one . Yeah , but it's that by the time you walk out of it you feel so defeated , yeah , yeah time you walk out of it , you feel so defeated .

Speaker 1 17:44

Yeah , even though , and like you're in this and it's uh , it's scary , it's legitimately so going through those other 15 houses over the weekend . Yeah , I was fine .

Speaker 1 17:53

Yeah , it's all , in my opinion , goofy stuff , like uh , goblins and then like a museum setting or a candy factory yeah like different settings with horror aspects to them , and this is the only one that felt real and felt , um , you know , being personally spiritually attacked , being in it , yeah , and it . It really caught me off guard because I was fine through most of the whole weekend leading up to this house . With that being said , when it comes to that , going back to that set design aspect to it , it was probably one of the best design houses , with its production value and how they design it , fantastic , okay , like in that sense , but again spiritually , eh , yeah , like in that sense , but again spiritually , yeah so I think that will kind of lead into a good moment to say as Christians , should we go to events like this ?

Speaker 2 18:59

yeah , and here's the other side to that , because Christians have things like this as well . I don't know if you remember growing up the tribulation trail or tribulation house .

Speaker 1 19:10

Yes , I forgot about that .

Speaker 2 19:11

Different churches would put that on , and the idea was to frighten people into heaven .

Speaker 1 19:15

It's literally the same exact thing . You're going through the woods and you're seeing moments from after the rapture on earth to scare you into going to coming to christ yeah , some of them were that .

Speaker 2 19:28

Some of them were a scenario like you're following a character and they're different sinful life choices and then they get into a horrific accident .

Speaker 1 19:37

Okay , so maybe the one you're talking about is different than one I went to one called the Decisions and it was every year . It was after the rapture and you were dealing with the awful world after the rapture .

Speaker 2 19:49

So a lot of Baptist tribulation trails . That's what their focus was was post-rapture . But I'm just saying there was one church in our area that they did it in like one year , I know , because we were doing events at the church church but we weren't like a part of the church , and so we heard about the event but we didn't go to it , but it was . It was that there was a character and you were following their life and then they get a horrific accident and then you follow them through different parts of hell because they didn't believe , and so that that was the idea behind it . But once again it is the same it's scaring people into salvation . So you know , I don't really agree with it . But then on the other side , with the worldly side of haunted houses , I don't really like them either . So I'm not a big spooky , gotcha , scary guy , yeah , and I've been around demonic manifestations before , so I don't really want to see acted out ones . You know what I mean . Spiritual warfare is something that's happening all around us , so I don't see it as entertaining to go and watch acted out spiritual warfare . You know what I mean , yeah , so that's my opinion . I don't really like it and I don't really want to be a part of it .

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I wouldn't necessarily say that it is you're losing your salvation by going to a haunted house . I think it comes around to kind of what you're getting at . It comes around to your discernment , like spiritually . If you're feeling spiritually attacked , like spiritually , if you're feeling spiritually attacked , then you need to listen to that and get out of the situation and go to the Lord in prayer , because that's our weapon , right , as Christians . It's prayer . Yeah , we fight evil spirits with the word of God , right . So that's my thing is , if you're not feeling it thing is , if you're not feeling it , what's the verse that paul talks about ? All things are lawful , but not all things are beneficial . I think it's kind of this kind of falls into that territory . Yeah , because , once again , like , not all haunted houses are like actual , like spiritual haunted houses .

Speaker 1 22:05

So , as an example , one of the houses was based off while we were there was based off a quiet place . If you've seen those movies , yeah , alien invasion , aliens , so it's . I mean it's not spiritual , it's just scary , yeah . So and I think , yeah , I mean you hit the nail on the head perfectly . So , and I think I mean you hit the nail on the head perfectly , at least for me , you as well , for me , and I think for you as a Christian , should weigh all possible things with you and your personal walk .

Speaker 2 22:39

Yeah , yeah . And you know , a verse that I want to bring to the conversation is 1 John 4.1 . King's Jane version words it this way . It says Beloved , believe not every spirit , but try the spirits whether they are of God , because many false prophets are gone out into the world . Is the world so obviously a haunted house ? It's not going to have a spirit of the lord at all . But if there is a spirit there , then you should be aware that it's there and immediately go into fighting and prayer . And I can't , I can't hit this home enough , like , like , if , if you feel the freedom in Christ , uh , it's okay for me to go to this . I'm not going to judge you , but you need to , you need to be there , right , Like , don't have a inner conflict of like , well , maybe it's okay , I don't really know . I'm kind of on the fence . Like , if you're not sure , if you're not comfortable , 100% , comfortable , 100% , 100% Just don't do it .

Speaker 1 23:51

Right , what I mean yeah , if you are battling that and I think that this is going to go back to everything we talk about in this month , when we get on to different topics of what you should be doing during spooky season yeah , different topics of what you should be doing during spooky season yeah , it's going to come back to that is , if you're questioning it , it's probably going to be a no for you , dog .

Speaker 2 24:11

Yeah , yeah , if you can't be like , I'm okay with it then , and just be okay , I'm not okay with it and move on .

Speaker 1 24:19

so again , percentage wise , 14 out of the 15 houses I went to . I was spiritually okay , yeah , but this one house made me paranoid in my own home , getting back home Like what is in the shadows and that kind of stuff . So again it's , I guess it's . It's really up to you . We can't really fully 100% tell you what's best for you .

Speaker 1 24:46

Yeah , and you got to think about we can guide , you give you advice , but at the end of the day , it's you , are you , and you know your weaknesses . You know your strengths , yeah , spiritually , yeah .

Speaker 2 24:59

And I mean 2 Timothy 1.7

Haunted Houses and Spiritual Discernment

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. God has not given us a spirit of fear . So if you're fearful , if you're afraid , if something's scaring you , that's not from God , that's from the enemy , and they're doing it to mess with you , to derail you and distract you from the gospel , from the truth , from the light of Jesus Christ . The light's shining in the darkness . The darkness is not overcoming the light , it's the other way around . So if Satan can distract you with darkness , then you won't be focused and reminded on the shining light . That is there , correct ? That's what I have to say about it .

Speaker 1 25:39

Yeah , but moral of the story had a good time , mistakes were made .

Speaker 2 25:49

I would like to say , because we talked about this and when you went to SeaWorld you were saying siren a lot . Oh yeah , I asked every single time I was like as in the noise , or the mythical creature , the mythical creature . Yeah , we kind of talked about this a little bit .

Speaker 1 26:04

I was like , as in the noise or the mythical creature , mythical creature . Yeah , we kind of talked about this a little bit after I got back . Yeah , and I told you this already . You did make fun of me for talking about sirens , because SeaWorld and sea creatures , sirens , yeah . The mythical creature , not the sound . Yeah , and you did pray for me , I did and I appreciate that did pray for me I did , and I appreciate that you got it Greatly .

Speaker 2 26:27

Yeah , so just so you guys know you are getting the highlighted version . I sat here for what ? An hour and a half .

Speaker 1 26:35

Hour and a half , while I went into a deep dive on everything .

Speaker 2 26:37

Every single house , 15 houses . He went through every single one .

Speaker 1 26:43

Just sitting here , two best pals sitting here having a conversation . I have a . I'm going to get off on a side tangent and I'm trying to be better about this kind of stuff . So I have asked my wife to proofread the episodes for us to catch anything . Hey , this needs to be fixed . Hey , you shouldn't have said that in this episode . And it makes me realize also when I'm listening to the episodes while I'm editing them , how awful I am on getting on side tangents . And another one that I've been told is I interrupt you constantly .

Speaker 2 27:16

Hey , it's the way that we talk and we're just talking here . You know what I mean . But hey , I appreciate that you acknowledge that you interrupt me .

Speaker 1 27:25

Yeah , it was funny because she said that several times . Hey , you interrupted him here , here , here , and I'm like listen to like . Well , he interrupted me right here . No , I'm over exaggerating . It was a few times she said here and here , I'm like that's just how we talk yeah and I think she's a wonderful woman and I love her . Don't ever stop helping me with this podcast , please , my love . This is directed at Ashley , by the way .

Speaker 2 27:53

This is for no one else who's listening .

Speaker 1 27:55

Yeah , y'all mute your mics . You mean turn the volume down ? Yeah , what did I say ? Mute the mic ? I'll mute your mic now . So , anyways , haunted . Yeah , what did I say mute ?

Speaker 2 28:07

the mic . I'll mute your mic now . So , anyways , haunted houses , uh , use your spiritual discernment . To be honest , if you're not sure , then just don't do it yeah simple as that , even if it's a christian run tribute .

Speaker 1 28:20

I was gonna , I was gonna ask you that how do you feel about that ? Because you said and I'm blanking on it , I'm sorry the Bible verse about there's no spirit . God has not given us a spirit of fear .

Speaker 2 28:32

2 Timothy 1.7 . That's what you said . I don't think that is a beneficial ministry tool to scare people into heaven , because salvation is not an insurance policy , right ? It's not something that you take out just in case . It's not something that you do because you're afraid of the outcome . It's something that you're overwhelmed by the grace of God that he made a way for you , who's already condemned to death , to be saved and brought into eternal life with him and his presence . That's the big thing that we kind of like look over as believers is salvation is us getting to go into the presence of the almighty God . This is a gift . This is a gift given . There's nothing we can do to earn it , get it , obtain it . All we can do is repent and believe in Jesus .

Speaker 1 29:28

And he gave our life for us . Freely Correct . That is a gift .

Speaker 2 29:33

It is a gift . So , yeah , I don't think that . Um , it's a good ministry tool . If , if the if the goal is to scare people into heaven , you shouldn't be doing it . I can see a scenario where people are like , well , it's that time of year , people are looking to go to scary haunted houses to be spooked , because it's a form of entertainment that people like . So what if we give them a Christian alternative that has a good message ? What if we give them a Christian alternative that has a good message ? Still , they still get scared , but it has a good message that will open up conversations about Jesus and the gospel . I could see that potentially , but I haven't , and most of the ones that I've seen in the past , I don't even think that they're really done anymore .

Speaker 1 30:26

No , I think that it was like a weird phase .

Speaker 2 30:29

It was like a 2000, . I want to say like 2006 to 2012 .

Speaker 1 30:34

Really I remember going when I was like eight or nine , like children , like why are you taking children to this ?

Speaker 2 30:43

So yeah , I guess the beginning of the 2000s , like 2001 , up until like , yeah , 2010 or 12 . But I haven't really seen any of them now .

Speaker 1 30:50

And here's something I want to say . I grew up in a Baptist church . I heard stories all the time where it's like you know , I didn't come to Christ because I wanted to go to heaven . I came to Christ to not go to hell . Yeah , I've heard that several times . I came to Christ to not go to hell . Yeah , I've heard that several times . I'm like that's awful . That really is awful to say I didn't get saved to be with Jesus . I got saved to not be with the devil .

Speaker 2 31:21

Yeah , yeah , I would go out on a limb if that's their salvation story , that they probably don't know Jesus , because it is a relationship thing . You will want to enter into a relationship with your Savior in the Spirit . If you're baptized in the Spirit , it will convict you to desire God and grow closer to him . And that's where we get the idea of sanctification , like when you believe you die to your old self and you're born again in Christ . And it's a really hard concept for people who are not believers to understand , like how do you get born again ? But when we talk about spiritual birth , that's what we're talking about .

Speaker 2 32:15

Spiritual birth is being resurrected with Christ from death , where we died to our sins , and now we're born as a new creation in Jesus . And sanctification is growing up as a spiritual , godly , spiritual being . Sanctification is us , as believers , saying no to the world and the way the world operates , as I mean sin , and saying yes to God and yes to how the kingdom operates , which is justice , righteousness , peace , joy , love , all these things . So that's the sanctification . If you're not growing in those things and you're not growing closer to God , then you need to really get back to the beginning . Do I believe in Jesus ? Do I believe in what he accomplished on the cross for me , so that I could be forgiven , and do I desire to be in communion with him . So that's my take on it .

Speaker 1 33:12

So yeah .

Speaker 2 33:14

Choose Jesus .

Speaker 1 33:15

Yeah .

Speaker 2 33:15

So quit treating your salvation as a get out of hell free card . This isn't Monopoly Right . What if we did that ? What if we changed our Monopoly to get out of hell free ? Just religion , monopoly Right . What if we did that ? What if we changed our Monopoly card ? Get out of hell , freak .

Speaker 1 33:27

Just religion Monopoly Because they have like different cities Monopoly . You see them for sale Baptist Monopoly Baptist Monopoly .

Speaker 2 33:36

Get out of hell , freak Hard .

Speaker 1 33:39

Cannot be playing that guitar in this church .

Speaker 2 33:43

We'd have to do a seven-day Adventist , because they believe that there's only a certain amount of people that'll go to heaven oh so the you're earning money to get to heaven and there's only a certain amount of get out of hell free cards . Oh , you , just keep them till the end of the game . Oh my gosh . Yeah , I think we're on something here .

Speaker 1 34:09

Let's write up the Monopoly man right now . Let's take it to the workshop . We'll work on it .

Speaker 2 34:13

Yeah , yeah , all right . Well , yeah , so haunted houses . If you're questioning it , don't do it , simple as that .

Darkness Exposed

Speaker 2 34:24

So you tell me , since we're in the spooky season and we're talking about the demonic , let's get into this , do ?

Speaker 1 34:42

you think the ?

Speaker 2 34:42

world overall is getting better or getting worse .

Speaker 1 34:44

I think yes or no . No , I'm just kidding , I gotta go . I'm sorry You're stifling my creativity . You put your arms up really high when you said that and I feel like I need to mimic it now .

Speaker 2 34:58

Listen , listen . No one can see us , but our arms are both in the air right now . Right now .

Speaker 1 35:11

In a V kind of shape . Um answer is yes and no , both .

Speaker 2 35:14

So I think that in some aspects it's getting worse okay , and in some aspects it's so you don't , so you didn't . Is the world overall getting better or is it getting worse ? I think worse .

Speaker 1 35:34

Okay , explain , explain so see what happens . Is is when something is bad , it was good . No , what comes worse ? What ?

Speaker 2 35:43

are . What is the deductive reasoning that you're using to come to your conclusion that , overall , the world's getting worse ? I just feel like you don't need to bring politics into it .

Speaker 1 35:56

You can just talk generally I just feel like that people are worse now in general , like morally speaking , like in the world we live in right now , with the type of music and the thing , like you know , in culture in general , like what's on tv , you know I I feel like I mean I got free reign on the tv when I was a kid and I like don't feel like I remember watching or seeing too many things on there that I shouldn't have seen and we talked about in a previous episode . You got to watch your kids now on every little thing that they watch . I had my in-laws over for the weekend for a birthday party previous , last previous weekend , and , um , my brother-in-law , who is , he's young , my , my in-laws adopted some children . Um was asked the alexa to play . Oh crap , I shouldn't say alexa , it's just activated everybody's alexis , I keep saying alexa it's okay , alexa , buy 100 rubber chickens there you go , so um , so the echoes , so the Echoes .

Speaker 1 37:04

He asked the Echo to play the song Enemy by Imagine Dragons .

Speaker 2 37:09

Okay .

Speaker 1 37:10

And that's fine , that's okay for him to listen to . And the very next song that started playing was a very , very inappropriate song . It was just like , for whatever reason , the Enemy playlist . The next song was a very vulgar song and we had to pull the lex out quickly from the wall .

Speaker 1 37:31

So it's like maybe it's the avenues , maybe it's always been the same , but just the avenues are more open to see these things yeah but in my opinion , if it and that's that's kind of my train of thought of if it's the same , we just have more ways to see the evil in the world , and it hasn't gotten worse . Does that make sense ?

Speaker 2 37:58

Yeah , yeah , yeah , so , uh , and so yeah that yeah , I , that's where I kind of stand on it is . I don't think that the world's getting worse . I think that exposure to the darkness is happening more . So these things that were , because Satan operates in the darkness . That's what he , that's , that's where he is , that's where he wants to be . That's why we see in the beginning of the gospel of John that Jesus says that I am the light of the world , and the light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it . It's talking about that . Jesus is a shining light that has come down to our earth to expose sin , and so now sin is not in hiding anymore , it's very blatant and

Unveiling the Illusion of Chaos

Speaker 2 38:48

out there .

Speaker 2 38:48

And the more technology advances and the more easily information is transferred , the easier it is to spot these things . The crazy thing is and we get into like how we're just like man . Look at how immoral these people are , like they're operating in these ways , they're doing these things . Sorry , they're doing it , they're , they're acting this way , they're very promiscuous , or they're saying no to God's original creation of them and choosing to be something different than what God created them to be , or they're , you know , throwing away life , human life . So we see all these things , but it's like yeah , but the world's always been doing all of that .

Speaker 2 39:40

It's just now it's easier to see , right , it's easier to see because of the internet , because of quick , second , six , 60 second videos . We're we're seeing more and more and more of it . So we automatically say , oh , the world's getting worse , but really it's just , it's the same . Yeah , cause I mean , you know , I can see something about like this there's a bunch of these girls that are really promiscuous and they're doing all these promiscuous things , but it's like none of them are within my 10 mile radius , so I don't have to be on guard all the time because of all these crazy ladies or this mass murderer or this group of mass murderers that are regularly running around wreaking havoc .

Speaker 1 40:30

That's not in my community , that's in a community halfway across the country but because so you're saying that social media is creating the illusion of closeness to the evil is closer .

Speaker 2 40:45

Yeah , it's making everyone assume that the general evilness of the world is always in their area , is in their block , because before social media , which we can remember , this , yeah , which is crazy to think about if it , if it was not happening within a 10 to 15 mile radius of us , we didn't really know about it , as kids and adults didn't find out about it until 6 PM , because that's when the evening news came on , and if it was newsworthy it would be on the 6 PM news , that's it . But then when phones came out , and then the internet , and then internet on the phones , and then streaming services services , and then social media , and then social media streaming services , it became instantaneous from anywhere in the world and with no filter on whether or not it's worth seeing at all .

Speaker 2 41:42

Anyways , Correct , so it's like I can . If I really wanted to , I could get live updates of all the attacks that are happening in every single Middle Eastern country on a day-to-day basis , not even day-to-day minute-to-minute basis .

Speaker 2 41:58

Yeah , and if that's what I did , then my life would be operating in a place of . We are in constant war . Everything is exploding , People are dying and it's evil , wicked , wicked , evil , evil . But in reality , if I don't go looking for that on the internet , I would have no idea that there's a war happening in the Middle East , unless I was connected to the internet or I was connected to somebody who's regularly using the internet . If I was up in the Appalachias , I would not be concerned about the war in Ukraine . I'd be concerned about accidentally running into Bigfoot and getting broken in half .

Speaker 1 42:38

That would be my only concern getting attacked by a bear or a Bigfoot . Really , you kind of like wowed me there for a second . I never really thought about that as like , and I'm sure there's people like that in this world who don't have the internet . They're living out in a log cabin out in the middle of nowhere and you know you'll tell them something about pop culture and they're like justin bieber never heard of her .

Speaker 2 42:58

Yeah , you know , like , yeah , yeah , like they don't they don't care , and that's why , uh , I'm I'm somewhat in the homesteading movement , um , and there are some people that get into it hardcore and they disconnect technologically , so the only it's it's not they're not being Amish , but it is borderline Amish , where they're not on social media and they're not connected to live update news . The only really technology they use are things that are beneficial for their five acres of operation , and anything outside of that is not their concern . And so you know they yeah , they're . They're living in the now , in the moment , in their little space and their little community , and that's as far as it goes , whereas you know , someone who sits in their house orders all their meals through their phone to be delivered to their house , and they don't do anything except sit on their phone all day long and scroll through social media and live video feeds . Those people are heavy , heavy heavy into anxiety and depression , and it's because all they have is how wicked the world is at the edge of their fingers .

Speaker 1 44:20

And again , it's not wicked . I mean it's wicked , but it's not wicked .

Speaker 2 44:25

It's not worth near you .

Speaker 1 44:27

Yeah .

Speaker 2 44:27

It's not necessarily that all that's happening right outside your door and that's because it's right there on your phone .

Speaker 1 44:34

You , you create that illusion that everything is happening right here behind your front door , correct ?

Speaker 2 44:41

So I don't think the world's getting worse , I think it's just created the illusion that it's worse .

Speaker 2 44:47

Yeah , everyone is living in everyone's chaos because of social media , but it also is a tool that's being utilized by the church to spread the gospel . More and more people are running into the truth of Christ because of the internet , because of social media , and wickedness and evil is being broadcasted . It's no longer operating in the darkness , it's being broadcasted and people are becoming aware like , oh my gosh , this is so bad , this is so evil . The world's getting worse . But it's like no , it's not getting worse , it's just now .

Speaker 2 45:28

You can see the overall world rather than your little space . In it You're seeing the whole thing and the whole thing is ruled by Satan right now , and Christ has defeated him and has promised to return and do a final do away with all sin and Satan and everything . But until that time comes , our job is the church to make disciples and further the gospel . So let's use this tool that right now is just kind of promoting chaos . Let's use it to bring glory to the Lord by using the internet as a tool to share the gospel and share the good news of Jesus Christ . So that that's kind of how where I stand in it .

Speaker 2 46:13

I don't think the world's getting worse . I think that it's actually getting better , not as in like we're improving as a society or we're becoming more , whatever , whatever , I think that for God's glory , for God's glory , for God's glory , all sin around the world is being exposed simultaneously , and so there's not pockets of people that are ignorant to the wickedness of the world , is , the world is exposed , satan is exposed right now , and and we have an opportunity as believers , to take advantage of that and play offense and attack it . And so when someone's like the world's so evil and the wicked this is happening and this is happening , this is happening .

Speaker 2 46:53

He's like yeah that's how it's always been . But you know what Jesus came to do away with all that . Jesus came to offer salvation from that and then we get to go into the gospel . So that's where I stand on it and I want to encourage other people to really pray about that and look at that and say like , okay , how do we like acknowledge , yes , it is chaotic and yes , it is evil and wrong and dark , but how do we take the technology that we have right now and use it for the glory of the Lord you make ?

Speaker 1 47:27

a podcast .

Speaker 2 47:28

Yeah , you make a podcast or you get on board with the podcast . Oh yeah , how can you do that ? If you like the content that we're putting out there , share it , comment on it , subscribe Interact Interact .

Speaker 1 47:40

Leave us a review , give us comments , give us feedback , let us know how we're doing what we're doing , what you thought about it you know , yeah , like we're not out here begging for five stars .

Speaker 2 47:50

Give us what you think we deserve , yeah , and let us earn that five star review yeah , and you know it's like if there was like five minutes out of the episode that you liked , um then tell your friend like , hey , go to minute 26 and just listen for five minutes , that's great , the rest of it's crap but listen to it .

Speaker 1 48:08

Yeah , I don't like it when they talk about that haunted house nonsense , but when they say that Jesus name , I love that . Yeah , and that's fine . That's perfectly fair .

Speaker 2 48:16

Yep , and you know we kind of talked about this . But I had a conversation with a brother at my Um and he brought up he's like I'm not really into the horror film stuff so I'm probably not going to listen into that stuff . But good job with the podcast , keep it up . I was like I really appreciate that man Cause .

Speaker 1 48:33

that's some good feedback .

Speaker 2 48:34

Yeah , that's some good feedback and , to be honest , that's okay .

Speaker 1 48:46

Like if you don't like that stuff and you don't month of October , totally fine , but I encourage you to come back in November . Actually , what I'd love to see is people who are all convicted not to hear that demonic stuff , and our numbers are just incredibly low the entire month of October . Yeah , or you know it's like you we are , but the thing is is we're not sitting here promoting demonic nonsense . We are bringing light and understanding to help you grow as a Christian when exposed to that kind of stuff .

Speaker 2 49:12

Yeah , I think exposure is part of the process of discernment . So if nobody's talking about haunted houses and how to approach them , then there's going to be people out there who don't really know what to do . Um , whereas you know , if we get into it and say like , hey , like you need to be spiritually aware , like if you , if you're confident in the spirit and you kind of know what discernment feels like , if you're not , that you're probably going to be all right . But if you feel , if you don't know , or if you do feel something's off , then that's , that's a let's leave , let's get out of this situation , let's not be a part of this .

Speaker 2 49:56

So that's what I'm trying to bring , that encouragement , and we're trying to highlight that compare . I mean , I don't even know if anyone's really talking about that . The only thing I could think of is someone's . Like haunted houses are of the devil and if you step foot into it you are going to hell . And that's not necessarily true , because Satan doesn't dictate our salvation , he does not control us , he does not have say over us . All he can do is lie . And so we want to bring the truth of if you believe in Jesus , then be baptized in the Holy spirit and um . Allow the spirit to teach and guide you on what you should be doing with your life . So , yeah , that that's kind of where we're getting at with that .

Speaker 1 50:48

That was a five star explanation . Wow , thanks , appreciate that . Yeah , no problem .

Speaker 2 50:56

You know what ?

Speaker 1 50:57

What ? And you're fabulous , am I also stunning , and stunning and beautiful ?

Speaker 2 51:05

So what do you ? No , but talking about beautiful we wanted to talk about for the month of Spooky Month . I wanted to talk about Creepypasta .

Speaker 1 51:19

Before we do that , I have a little . I just messed my mic up . Yeah , you did some feedback . Yeah , you

Sleepy Spouse Morning Messages Game

Speaker 1 51:26

did . Um , before we go into that , can we play a mini game , a game that is very quick and small , is it ? Yeah , yeah , cool , so , um , and insert uh theme music and title here mini game . Okay , so , uh , so , um , I've been sitting here trying to think like I would like to spice it up a little bit . Come up with games . I have a few ideas , but this one was just more of a quick , funny conversation , because so I personally have trouble sleeping . In a general sense , I have issues with sleep , I always have , and , uh , so my wife , my wife and my wife will , um , this isn't she is doing absolutely nothing wrong , but the way that I , my mind , reacts when I'm waking up Really throws me for a loop .

Speaker 1 52:27

It really screws me up when I wake up , especially if I'm being told something . Whenever I'm waking up , I hear it differently . Okay , so I want to play this game of I'm going to tell you what my wife said to me when waking me up , okay , and I want you to guess the scenario . Got it ? That's the game . Sorry , a little explanation , I'm ready . So it's probably about five o'clock in the morning and Jairus , jairus , the power went out out . The lights are on . The power went out , the lights are on . The lights are on . Okay , what do you think happened ? And that's actually what she said . Funny enough , she said those words and it's more of just the way that my life is set up at my home .

Speaker 2 53:32

I'm assuming that the power went off and came back on and , since you have pretty much a lot of smart lights and stuff like that , they all got rebooted and were on the automatic on position , because that's what all the switches are , and so she was waking you up to say that all the lights are on . You need to fix it .

Speaker 1 53:59

That is exactly what it was . So congratulations , you have won the inaugural stuff . My wife tells me while I'm sleeping Can we make a trophy ?

Speaker 2 54:15

You want me to 3D print you a trophy , I want to do a 3D trophy and I want it to be stuff .

Speaker 1 54:21

my wife says it's not really stuff . My wife says it's stuff , my wife really stuff . My wife says it's stuff .

Speaker 2 54:26

My wife tells me while I'm asleep yeah , but this can be an ongoing game between the two of us okay , so stuff , stuff . My wife says yeah so I'll tell you what my wife said , and then you got to give me the context , kind of like what we just did just now with your wife ?

Speaker 1 54:39

okay , do you have an example ? Are you saying in the future , in the future , okay , yeah , so I , I like this game .

Speaker 2 54:44

I mean , I can give you one if you want . No happened this afternoon no , I'm not ready .

Speaker 1 54:48

No , no , okay , okay , okay , you ready ?

Speaker 2 54:50

yeah , all right okay , just finished eating dinner . Uh-huh , in our kitchen we've got a pass-through window that goes into the living room . Uh-huh , so you can see into the living room from the kitchen , and that window ledge ends up being Things end up on it , right , okay ? So I'm in the kitchen putting food together and then I come to sit at the table and my wife is smiling and staring at me and she says Do you like my stack ? What do you think she was talking about ?

Speaker 1 55:27

So this happened today . Today , I I actually have the answer . I know the answer . Did she tell you ? No , okay , contact clues of being in your home . She's talking about all the library books she has . Yeah , yeah , I saw them upstairs earlier .

Speaker 2 55:41

She got five library books , Five books for her just to read , and yeah . So I was like yeah .

Speaker 1 55:50

So she had like a stack of library books on that ledge .

Speaker 2 55:53

On that ledge . Yeah , and she was like smiling , she's like you like my stack , and I was like , yeah , it looks like that'll get you through to the weekend and it is wednesday right now , so , anyways , cool , that was a fun game . All right . Outro for the game . The end of the game . Um , okay , so

Eerie Tales

Speaker 2 56:08

now can I talk about ?

Speaker 1 56:08

creepypastas . Yeah , now you can talk about creepypastas . We're gonna talk about some creepypastas yeah , now you can talk about creepy we're gonna talk about some creepypastas . Really , we're just gonna talk about one creepypasta , so , um , what we're doing ? Because I talked to john and I said hey , you know we're doing uh , cryptids , so , um , can we let's change it up during spooky spooky and let's talk about something more creepypastas , which is internet cryptids , essentially , yep .

Speaker 2 56:46

And that's really the best way to explain it . I was going to ask you what's a creepypasta , but that's the best way to explain it .

Speaker 1 56:52

They're not real , like that's kind of like the big thing is like it's . They are made up on internet forums and blogs and chat rooms and they are created cryptids essentially where there is evidence out there for like bigfoot and satyrs and things of that nature . There is somewhat some evidence that this might be real . Creepypastas are solely based in fiction .

Speaker 2 57:24

Yeah , yeah . So the creepypasta we're going to talk about this week is the back room , the back rooms . So if you don't know what the back rooms are , it is a fictional place on that was created on the internet . This was created . It was posted first in 2000 . 2019 , yeah , 2019 is it really only ? Night 2019 on a 4chan thread .

Speaker 2 57:56

We're not going to talk about 4chan , but go on , but no , I'm just saying that's where it was created . Yeah , it was on that you don't really need to go and look into it , but this is where , don't don't don't go to .

Speaker 2 58:06

Don't go to 4chan yeah , but that's where it originated and the idea is is it's a really eerie just never-ending basically vacant , decrepit office space Like fluorescent lighting , old yellowish wallpaper in every room . Every room has a big opening into the next room . There's no doors , the carpet's kind of like a tan gray . It looks moldy , it's not moldy , but a tan gray . It looks moldy , it's not moldy , but it looks like it would be moldy , didn't this originate from a forum essentially saying on 4chan , saying post a picture .

Speaker 1 58:48

that's just eerie , just post a creepy picture .

Speaker 2 58:53

It was asking for a scary picture and then someone posted this no one knows the location , no one knows anything about it . It was just a picture , and that's where it spiraled into what everyone has created .

Speaker 1 59:07

So people over time adding a backstory to this picture , creating lore , lore , and it evolved over time to what we know as the backrooms now , which I think they're making a backrooms movie yeah , so they're making , they're trying to get a backrooms movie .

Speaker 2 59:23

It became popular from a youtuber who was creating content using the backrooms concept and and making it really eerie and creepy . But but the idea is it's a place that's on another plane of existence that you can the term is noclip into it .

Speaker 1 59:40

Where you're just going throughout your day and for some odd reason you just step wrong on the ground and then you just fall through the ground and now you're in a completely different place .

Speaker 2 59:53

Yeah , and noclipping is a video game term , just for those who don't know , and the idea is that you're playing the completely different place . Yeah , and no , clipping is a video game term , just for those who don't know . And the idea is that you're playing the game and you walk through a wall or you fall through the ground , or you jump and it shoots you somewhere , and the idea is that you're going into a part of the game you're not supposed to be able to , but you glitch into it . So the idea is that you glitch into the back rooms from just the regular world and it the ominous , from the back rooms . It's not that there's actually anything there .

Speaker 2 1:00:24

The idea is that you have no idea how you got into it . You fell into it , you jumped into it , you walked into it by accident and it's a endless , basically , maze , yeah , with no exit . There's no , just a constant wandering . Yeah , you can run or walk as far as you can , take as many turns as you want . You're in it and you're stuck there and it all looks the same , but it's all different .

Speaker 1 1:00:52

I think so . Uh , we've played um jeez , what is it ? Um lethal company ? Yep , that is loosely based around that concept as well , even that game where you're wandering around by yourself , you're not really but collecting stuff . Yeah , but like so you said , uh , I think initially there was nothing there . I think it later on evolved in the story that there is something always there , just barely around the corner .

Speaker 2 1:01:20

Yeah , people add things over time . This originally started with you fall into this place and you're just alone , and you're alone , and the fear of being alone is what drives you to try and get out , but you can't get out , and so it's a defeating . It's an endless cycle which creates the defeat of just . I'm terrified because I don't know how I got here and I don't know how to leave . I've tried everything to leave and I can't leave . That's what created it . And then the internet . You know they run through things and it gets old , and so , to spice it up , people add so now it's .

Speaker 1 1:02:02

The idea is that there's different creatures that are in this place , so yeah , as you continue , you might go up a floor , go down a floor , and it's just a different , just endless multiverse , infinite possibilities of what could be on this floor , positive or negative .

Speaker 2 1:02:21

Yeah , it's what it is now but yeah , so you know , we kind of were prepping for this and we were talking about it , but when I was looking at that , it to me spoke of just like a life without christ . It doesn't matter how much you do or how far you go , there's always that feeling of endlessness or defeat somewhere in you . Um , sometimes it's easy to disguise it or hide it or be distracted from it , but when you don't have the light of Christ in your life , there is that pointlessness to life that we all kind of feel . And so that was one thing that I noticed about it is that , you know , the reason that the back rooms is so scary is because of just the hopelessness of being stuck .

Speaker 2 1:03:20

And I want to encourage people to say that there's not hopelessness in Christ . There's hope , there's light , there's joy and there's victory in Christ . And so , if you're not a believer , I just want to encourage you that Jesus loves you . He sees all , he has seen and knows every bad thing , every wrong thing , every hard thing , every wicked thing you've done in your life . He knows the sins that you've committed and you're going to commit . He knows the sins that you've committed and you're going to commit and he has stepped in your place before the throne of the Father and paid the price . He said I am going to take the penalty for all of their sin and I am going to atone for it through my death . And so Jesus dies on the cross for all of humanity , but specifically for you , the listener , because Jesus wants you to be healed , he wants you to be rescued from sin , from hopelessness . And so he dies on the cross , he's buried in the grave and he comes back to life , defeating death , defeating the grave , three days later , and he lives now in victory over sin , over hopelessness , at the right hand of God , pleading on our behalf for the forgiveness of our sins .

Speaker 2 1:04:44

And God made it clear that he will forgive all sins for anyone who will believe in Christ's , for anyone who will believe in Christ's atonement for them . So if you believe in Jesus , if you believe that he paid the price for your sin , and you're willing to repent of your sin and seek God and trust in God , then God will forgive you and he will welcome you into his kingdom as a child , he will adopt you as his child and you will get to live in the peace of Jesus and in salvation for all eternity . So that's just kind of the . I wanted to give that hope to someone .

Speaker 2 1:05:26

Whoever's out there who needs . If you are stuck in the back rooms , if you're stuck in the back rooms in your heart , jesus can get you out . So if you have any questions about that , feel free to reach out to us . We are here , where's that at ? You can reach out to us at the saints that are sorry , saints that serve , at gmailcom , or you can message us on our Instagram , on our Facebook , or you can go down to the bottom of the description on this episode and there's a link to text us and you can text us also , um , unrelated related .

Speaker 1 1:06:03

Uh , we do have a website for the podcast . I should have brought that up . Oh , yeah , we do . If you go to the saints that serve podcom , you can see um , all , um , all our episodes are on there , sweet . And then also , if you know you don't want to go to a website , you can see all the different options where you can go to listen to the podcast on different podcast hosting apps . So Spotify , apple Podcast , iheartradio I think those are the big three , but we are on everything , everything . You are everywhere . So that is again the saints that serve podcom yep and uh .

Speaker 2 1:06:54

The other thing that I got out of the back rooms oh sorry , no , no , no , you're good is the idea of no clipping , the idea of being in one plane of existence and going into another . Oh , I know what you're about to talk about .

Speaker 1 1:07:12

Go so this guy could not wait . I like we were having bible study and he brought it up in conversation . Yeah , like no guys . What do you think about ?

Remote Viewing vs. Astral Projection

Speaker 2 1:07:27

remote viewing .

Speaker 2 1:07:28

Thank you , remote viewing yep , so , um , but before we get into that , so there's this thing that's considered astral projection . The idea is that if it's an eastern kind of practice , but it's a spiritual one , it's been adopted by the new age community , um , and the idea is that you can meditate or fall into a trance and then your spirit can leave your body and roam the world . You can project your spirit into the universe and you can travel and go places and see things and do things in the spiritual realm , which is a parallel to our realm . So that's astral projection . It is a kind of magic practice , magical practice , something that the Bible makes clear . Don't have any part of that .

Speaker 1 1:08:27

Also to say this that is what happens in Insidious . Yes , he is remote viewing . No , not remote viewing . Sorry , sorry , astro , he's astro projecting , correct , and that's why he leaves his body . Yeah , but you're telling me , uh , astral projection or , sorry , remote viewing , is not exactly quite the same thing , correct ?

Speaker 2 1:08:50

so the idea of remote viewing is that , basically , people that are trained to do this I don't know how they train because I haven't looked into that part of it but the idea is that you can give them geographical coordinates and then they can almost like they've got like binoculars or a camera . They can look at that Right and then they can obtain information , like visual information , about that area . It's not necessarily dialogue , but they can see a . They can see a point , a different point from where they're at . So that's what remote viewing is is . The idea is that you give them geographical coordinates . They can go there and look it up in their mind or their psyche or whatever it is , and be able to give you geographical information about that and they're able to see what is going on at that location .

Speaker 2 1:09:52

Correct , and so this idea of remote viewing was researched , was supported and researched by what do you think ? I know you know now , but just be outlandish who do you think would have promoted something like this ?

Speaker 1 1:10:10

The Catholic Church . You said be outlandish , outlandish , outlandish , yeah .

Speaker 2 1:10:16

No , the CIA .

Speaker 1 1:10:18

Don't you have a document ?

Speaker 2 1:10:20

I have a C official CIA document where they had a Institute evaluate the possibilities Sorry , the operational applications of remote viewing , and so we'll post the document in the show bio for this episode . But the idea is that they were taking candidates who could allegedly remote view and then they were taking researchers to give them coordinates to look at and then they would verify whether or not these candidates could actually see what was going on or if it was just coincidence or made up . So the assessment of in the document , the assessment is it happened , they were correct too many times for it to be coincidence . But they don't know how and they don't know what's going on . So that's what the document put forth . So that's kind of all we have at the surface .

Speaker 2 1:11:24

but but the cia doesn't always give us everything right right so there's a lot of conspiracy behind different camps and projects that the CIA put on , where they took people in and they did things to them at these camps and these things which generated , basically , where they studied how to do this stuff and then they gave it to people and people were able to do it . Are you getting tired of sitting down ?

Speaker 1 1:11:58

Yeah , I'm standing up now .

Speaker 2 1:12:00

I guess I need to get comfier chairs , yeah .

Speaker 1 1:12:03

These are like wooden church benches .

Speaker 2 1:12:07

Yeah , I need to get a pillow .

Speaker 1 1:12:09

Yeah , just get me a butt pillow , get you a butt pillow . So , yeah , this is nice .

Speaker 2 1:12:16

I'll get tired of this in a minute and sit back down . But that's pretty much , you know . That draws us to the end of it . But to me it's outlandish . Maybe outlandish is the wrong word .

Speaker 1 1:12:24

No , it's pronounced outlandish .

Speaker 2 1:12:26

Yeah , outlandish , but like our government is spending money on stuff like this , is spending money on stuff like this and you know , I , I think it is totally possible , um , but is it okay ?

Speaker 1 1:12:46

so we , I think I kind of , when you initially started talking about this , I feel like I kind of stumped you a little bit with my statement of and I think that it was for astral projection . More than this , yeah , but to be absent from the body which is astral projection is to either be present with the Lord or to be somewhere else . Yeah , hell .

Speaker 2 1:13:11

Yeah , so yeah .

Speaker 1 1:13:13

In that sense , I don't believe astral projection is a real , actually viable . This thing is happening , yeah . And then when it comes to , uh , remote viewing , um , so with astral projection you are physically in a different realm or , I guess , spiritually in a different realm . The idea of it is that you're going somewhere else to retrieve information . So , with remote viewing , if you're not , if you're still in your body , something has to be bringing you that information . Yeah , which , my argument , would be a demonic presence or god .

Speaker 2 1:13:51

Yeah , if we look at it like a computer , you input the information from one point of the computer and then the output comes out at another .

Speaker 1 1:14:01

But there has to be something carrying that information .

Speaker 2 1:14:05

Yeah , there is a track that it runs on from point A to point B for the information to be transferred , and that's how it has to work , transferred and so , and that that's how it has to work . Um , even when we get into things like the internet and the cloud and stuff , like there is equipment that is transferring that information and it's necessary for it to work . So that's where we get into remote viewing , like how is that information being transferred ? What are these people connecting to to be able to collect data and then transfer it back ? And is it demonic , is it of God or is it fake ? And I would say I don't think it's fake . I really don't think it's of God .

Speaker 1 1:14:47

No , because what is them ? What brings glory to God ? For a government to get information about Russia ?

Speaker 2 1:14:56

Yeah , and so you know I don't want to disqualify . Okay , god will use whatever he wants to to bring glory to his name , and so you know , we always have to keep that in the back of our minds . But when it comes to this , is it something that God has given us as a tool to bring glory to his name ? I would say no , and so I think that there is some very dark things going on , and there are government agencies and our government , probably , and the other ones as well but there are agencies that are operating in darkness and , as christians , we need to be aware of that . So and I don't want to totally snuff it out , because here's the deal there are people that there are people that are christians .

Speaker 1 1:15:48

Every time you hear a buzz , that is john touching his mic .

Speaker 2 1:15:50

Yeah , there are people that are christians that also work at the cia um , so I don't want to throw them under the bus , but there's a lot of stuff coming out about the cia um and stuff they've done in the past that doesn't really line up with how god calls us , as christians , to live something to consider when you're talking about government agencies and and leaders dabbling into stuff .

Speaker 1 1:16:18

Hitler did that , that hitler dabbled deeply into the occult to help , try to help him win the war .

Speaker 2 1:16:25

Yeah , and so I mean I'm on anyone who's thinking about getting into the occult remember if you do , you're hitler I was gonna say that hitler did it too , so I mean same difference . You know what hitler did not do believe in jesus and follow him let me make that .

Speaker 1 1:16:47

I was gonna say following him .

Speaker 2 1:16:49

No , there's some argument saying that there's possibility that he was a christian of a sort of sorts , if I'm not mistaken well , or he grew up hearing the word let's get technical here so christian , the original term was coined in the bible and it was greeks calling believers of the way , because that's what it was before this .

Speaker 2 1:17:17

It was a mocking term . They were using it to say they're little Christs , because that's what Christian means when you break it down in Greek . And so basically , these people that believed in Jesus and called Jesus their Savior or their Christ , then they were made fun of and said , oh , you're little Christs , you're little Jesuses , and that kind of got coined and taken over and that's why we call people Christians today . We're not called the believers of the way really anymore . We're all Christians , and so to be a Christian is to be a likeness of Christ , to be an example of Jesus , to shine the light in the darkness .

Speaker 2 1:18:02

So there are people who are religious , who grow up in different denominations or sects of the overall church of God , of the overall church of God . But there's a lot of people in those denominations and in those sects that are just there because of identity , of their culture . They have nothing to do with Jesus , they have nothing to do with the faith . They're solely just , culturally , a part of a group of people that have something to do with the church and have something to do with faith , people that have something to do with the church and have something to do with faith .

Speaker 1 1:18:44

So we got to remember that just because somebody hangs out in the Baptist community does not mean they're a Christian . I'm kind of scanning through some information here about religious views of Adolf Hitler . I think this needs to be its own episode later on down the line . Okay , we'll do that .

Speaker 2 1:18:57

We're going to talk about Hitler , you guys .

Speaker 1 1:18:58

We're going to talk about Hitler and dictators , and are they actually in hell All ?

Speaker 2 1:19:07

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Speaker 1 1:19:20

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Speaker 2 1:19:36

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Speaker 1 1:19:41

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Speaker 2 1:19:54

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Speaker 1 1:20:22

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Speaker 2 1:20:34

I think people still call it Twitter , right , or are we now everybody's ?

Speaker 1 1:20:36

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Speaker 2 1:21:26

well , I'm Johnny , I am Jairus and this is .

Speaker 1 1:21:32

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